Greetings and a thought or two.

[Kataphraktos]

Hello,

New to the forum, but not to e-cigs. I tried out an njoy a few years back, but haven't really been a smoker since the early 1990s, other than brief stints post-9/11 and post-breakup in 2007, so there was never a need to use e-cigs, since there was no bad habit to replace.

But I have discovered, through the occasional outside-the-bar smoke or piece of nicotine gum, that I do enjoy nicotine itself. So here I am.

I figured if I waited a bit, this industry would evolve to offer some really mean gear that made the experience truly satisfying, and after spending a couple of man-days on this site this week... dang! Nice evolution.

I've always argued that e-cigs should NOT be called e-cigs, and should not refer in any way to smoking. Glad to see the jargon has moved away from this, as well as most gear design. The less it sounds like and resembles smoking, the less interference we will see from people who (rightfully) react strongly against smoking, as well as government sorts who (self-righteously) like to meddle in everything and squeeze ever-shrinking revenue using any cockamamie excuse their half-wit advisers and lobbyists feed their addled little minds.

So I'm happy to see the term "vape" and derivatives thereof. I'm overjoyed to see the light saber Provari, the Vapage V-mod that looks like my last nose trimmer, and the various other un-cigarettes being designed these days. Some new designs do approach the look of what authorities refer to as "drug paraphernalia", which I imagine could cause brief misunderstandings.

Of all the "How TO" and "Getting Started" threads I've seen here, the one that helped me the most in figuring out what's what with all the new types of gear and options is this one by tomzgreat. A huge "thank you" to you, sir, and the other contributors to this and other threads here.

I'm still figuring out which gear I will be picking up. I'm considering a larger setup for home - probably the ProVari - but my first purchase (as of 5 minutes ago) is the Vapage V-Mod XL for pocketable on-the-go daily use. I'm considering a Kanger Protank - although I'd really like something with a metallic shroud to maximize portability.

 

[El_tecolote]

Welcome to ECF! Lots of information and good suggestions here. After you have five posts in the "new member" section, you can then post in the other forums and subforums. I don't think anyone could go wrong with a Provari and ProTank.

 

[fourthrok]

Welcome Kataphraktos! I really love my Vmod XL, and hope you will too! Remember that there is a bit of a "knack" to using it...but it won't take long to get comfortable and hopefully happy! If you have any issues or questions, feel free to PM me. Also check out this (very long but informative) thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0-bottom-feeding-mod-vapage-com-part-2-a.html

There's been lots of changes even since I started vaping...in 2011. It's kind of amazing to see how fast this industry is evolving!

 

[woofpuppy]

Hello and welcome! Jumping in feet first, that's great. I use the protank and it's great. Just know that, at least in my experience, you don't get a lot of throat hit because of the design, but it does vape well...and smoothly. Since you already have equipment on the way you can take your time and see what's next in your line-up. My favorite is my iTaste MVP, something to consider along with everything else. Enjoy getting yourself set up!

 

[Kataphraktos]

Welcome Kataphraktos! I really love my Vmod XL, and hope you will too! Remember that there is a bit of a "knack" to using it...but it won't take long to get comfortable and hopefully happy! If you have any issues or questions, feel free to PM me. Also check out this (very long but informative) thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...0-bottom-feeding-mod-vapage-com-part-2-a.html

There's been lots of changes even since I started vaping...in 2011. It's kind of amazing to see how fast this industry is evolving!

Actually, your detailed accounts are one of the reasons I chose it over other options. Thank you!

 

[Kataphraktos]

Hello and welcome! Jumping in feet first, that's great. I use the protank and it's great. Just know that, at least in my experience, you don't get a lot of throat hit because of the design, but it does vape well...and smoothly. Since you already have equipment on the way you can take your time and see what's next in your line-up. My favorite is my iTaste MVP, something to consider along with everything else. Enjoy getting yourself set up!

I think I will end up preferring less throat hit. I assume too much of that is what I am experiencing with the Blu disposable I picked up the other day. One in every few drags make me cough a bit after tickling the back of my throat a bit too much. I figure I'll end up with three or four different models, like I do with in-ear headphones, both for variety, and because things break and you always want backups.

 

[Lafingriot]

Just like any kind of "smoking" it takes a little bit till you get used to the vapor. Try pulling a mouthful of vapor, let it cool a sec, and inhale slightly. But it all comes down to pg/vg and how much throat hit you want. I found 50/50 to be very satisfying

 

[AttyPops]

Welcome to ECF.

My 1st thought when reading the 1st paragraph was..."why does this guy even want to use an e-cig?" But you're an adult, and can make your decisions. Then my next thought was "bet he could use a super-mini easily enough." Then I kept reading...

Teaches me not to think ahead, I guess.

Strange that you don't need nic much, but want a huge setup. That said, whatever works for you is fine. I don't suggest vaping to anyone that can do without nic/habit (AKA those that don't need it). The best thing to inhale is clean air. There's a lot we don't know about the long term effects of e-cigs. But it's better that you reach for an e-cig than a smoke.

Sounds like most PV's will work for you. The atomization side of the equation, and the juice, will be the bigger challenges for you. And they are subjective. One person's "great setup" is another's nightmare.

If I were you, and didn't vape much or felt I didn't need to, I'd keep it as simple as possible. A super mini with some refillable cartos and some low nic juice should be fine. Or an eGo VV or something simple and reasonably priced should do it.

If you want to "Go big" without the need for large batteries, that's up to you. I just don't understand why. That's not to say you can't or that the other devices are bad.

Good luck. Welcome again.

 

[Kataphraktos]

Welcome to ECF.

My 1st thought when reading the 1st paragraph was..."why does this guy even want to use an e-cig?" But you're an adult, and can make your decisions. Then my next thought was "bet he could use a super-mini easily enough." Then I kept reading...

Teaches me not to think ahead, I guess.

Strange that you don't need nic much, but want a huge setup. That said, whatever works for you is fine. I don't suggest vaping to anyone that can do without nic/habit (AKA those that don't need it). The best thing to inhale is clean air. There's a lot we don't know about the long term effects of e-cigs. But it's better that you reach for an e-cig than a smoke.

Sounds like most PV's will work for you. The atomization side of the equation, and the juice, will be the bigger challenges for you. And they are subjective. One person's "great setup" is another's nightmare.

If I were you, and didn't vape much or felt I didn't need to, I'd keep it as simple as possible. A super mini with some refillable cartos and some low nic juice should be fine. Or an eGo VV or something simple and reasonably priced should do it.

If you want to "Go big" without the need for large batteries, that's up to you. I just don't understand why. That's not to say you can't or that the other devices are bad.

Good luck. Welcome again.

I love the occasional smoke while drinking. I keep Nicorette at home and work. I did 90% of my smoking during my 3 years in college 25 years ago, but I do enjoy the activity of smoking as well as the nicotine high.

As a former gadget head, when I go into this sort of thing, I tend to want to go high-end, and go for equipment with some wiggle room for tinkering. Example: my in-ear monitors are the Logitech UE900, which go for $400 a pop. I almost never spend money on anything any more, but a couple of times a year I splurge on a toy. Could I have gotten $100 headphones that gave me 70% of the fidelity and clarity? Sure. Would I get the same satisfaction? Not by a long shot.

I will be trying out various liquid mixes, from 70/30 PG/VG all the way through 100% VG organic to see the difference, but I will hopefully get enough satisfaction from the 100% VG organic to stick to that exclusively. Based on description, they have less throat hit, which I will probably prefer, as I find the Blu disposable tickles my throat a tad too much, and I believe they use a 70/30 PG/VG liquid.

But I do want something that produces a lot of vapor (also a property helped by high VG ratio), another reason for getting a good kit. I've found the Blu and NJOY lacking here.

 

[merrick92]

Actually Blu liquid is made by johnson creek,and it is 100 % vg, just an fyi. At least,thats is what theyre telling the public anyway.
<edit> the tickle may be more due to the nic level in blu,rather than the vg.

 

[Kataphraktos]

Actually Blu liquid is made by johnson creek,and it is 100 % vg, just an fyi. At least,thats is what theyre telling the public anyway.
<edit> the tickle may be more due to the nic level in blu,rather than the vg.

I just poked around the Johnson Creek website, and they offer both PG and PG-free variants. I believe it was Phil Busardo who mentioned the Blu liquid was some sort of PG/VG mix, which I believe he found out by calling Blu customer service.

That said, I want to stick to pure atomizers, and avoid at all costs any form of cartomizer with the various fillers which I'm pretty sure end up in one's lungs over time.

 

[merrick92]

:quote:Since there are literally thousands and thousands of things people are allergic to it is nearly impossible to create a consumable product that is free of every single allergen. With that said we do take allergens very seriously and assure our products are free of the most common types. For example, once we learned a small portion of our customer base had a slight allergic reaction to Propylene Glycol (PG), an entire line of 100% PG-free smoke juice was created for blu electronic cigarettes.:quote:
taken from:
blu ecigs and Johnson Creek Smoke Juice | blu Cigs E Cigarettes
here is a forum post on the subject:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blu-electronic-cigarettes/373958-blu-carts-vg-pg.html
I only bring it up because the tickle in your throat is probably from the nicotine level in the blu.
As far as worrying about the filler material, you could always choose not to inhale into the lungs. The nicotine in e liquid will be absorbed by the mucus membranes in you mouth throat and nose, so you don't have to inhale like an analog. Other than dripping, you will have at the very least wicking material to deal with,even of you use a delivery system that doesn't have filler.

 

[trick brownie]

so does anyone vape for flavor ?

 

[Kataphraktos]

so does anyone vape for flavor ?

Did you even read the thread, or was this a random post to get you to 5 so you could get posting privileges? Wow, there's one under every rock.

 

[Kataphraktos]

:quote:Since there are literally thousands and thousands of things people are allergic to it is nearly impossible to create a consumable product that is free of every single allergen. With that said we do take allergens very seriously and assure our products are free of the most common types. For example, once we learned a small portion of our customer base had a slight allergic reaction to Propylene Glycol (PG), an entire line of 100% PG-free smoke juice was created for blu electronic cigarettes.:quote:
taken from:
blu ecigs and Johnson Creek Smoke Juice | blu Cigs E Cigarettes
here is a forum post on the subject:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blu-electronic-cigarettes/373958-blu-carts-vg-pg.html
I only bring it up because the tickle in your throat is probably from the nicotine level in the blu.
As far as worrying about the filler material, you could always choose not to inhale into the lungs. The nicotine in e liquid will be absorbed by the mucus membranes in you mouth throat and nose, so you don't have to inhale like an analog. Other than dripping, you will have at the very least wicking material to deal with,even of you use a delivery system that doesn't have filler.

I'm inclined to agree with you. I spent the evening yesterday playing with my new Provari and some liquids. The liquid with no nicotine was the smoothest and produced no tickling, increasing levels of nicotine were directly proportional to the amount of tickling. This is why I wanted to test instead of jumping to conclusions.

 

[Kataphraktos]

:quote:Since there are literally thousands and thousands of things people are allergic to it is nearly impossible to create a consumable product that is free of every single allergen. With that said we do take allergens very seriously and assure our products are free of the most common types. For example, once we learned a small portion of our customer base had a slight allergic reaction to Propylene Glycol (PG), an entire line of 100% PG-free smoke juice was created for blu electronic cigarettes.:quote:
taken from:
blu ecigs and Johnson Creek Smoke Juice | blu Cigs E Cigarettes
here is a forum post on the subject:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blu-electronic-cigarettes/373958-blu-carts-vg-pg.html
I only bring it up because the tickle in your throat is probably from the nicotine level in the blu.
As far as worrying about the filler material, you could always choose not to inhale into the lungs. The nicotine in e liquid will be absorbed by the mucus membranes in you mouth throat and nose, so you don't have to inhale like an analog. Other than dripping, you will have at the very least wicking material to deal with,even of you use a delivery system that doesn't have filler.

And may I suggest that the 100% PG-free is a major selling point and should be prominent in your ads and marketing material? I suspect a lot of folks will make purchasing decisions based on this fact alone.

 

[Kataphraktos]

I found talk here of a single local NY store, Vape NY, a couple of nights ago, and since I am a big fan of supporting local small businesses, I took the subway out there yesterday afternoon. I picked up possibly one of the last existing v 2.0 Provaris in chrome, which looks INSANE. She broken-heartedly parted with her only extension cap in chrome, as they no longer produce these. I've accessorized it with chrome bits, and it looks EXACTLY LIKE A LIGHT SABER. I also bought some accessories for my Vapage Vmod XL (which is in transit).

I have spent the day mucking around with a few liquids, dripping into a 2.5(ish) ohm atomizer. This thing is AMAZING.

I'll say one thing, though: it is unfair to compare such a device to a Blu disposable. Of course it blows a Blu out of the water - but it is many times larger and heavier, and for men without man purses, not exactly portable. The Provari is naturally impressive, but it also gave me a newfound respect for the Blu disposable, since they managed to get a tiny device to put out IMO a decent amount of vapor. I'll be using the Blu on occasion to introduce smokers to vaping, since I am convinced that it is enough to move them in this direction.

I will end up carrying a Blu disposable with me along with my Vmod XL, as a backup.

 

[Kataphraktos]

Also: It took me no time at all, using the pdf guide on the Provape website, to understand the menu system. I've already memorized it.

 

[enuun]

is the vapage vpor-T any good?

 

[trick brownie]

Did you even read the thread, or was this a random post to get you to 5 so you could get posting privileges? Wow, there's one under every rock.

i ment 0 nic, am sorry my kid was up i should have EXPLAINED! but i wanted to know cause i haven't vaped at 0 nic yet but i wanted to know if you could tell if there was no nic.....