Halo not for pg sensitive vapers
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I have a few favorites that I order from Halo regularly and when they create a new flavor they offer a free sample for orders over $20. I often order my regulars early when there is a free sample I'm interested in.
there is an active thread right now with this info http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uice-samples-we-all-love-em-who-sends-em.html
In the weird category, I evidently have a PG sensitivity too because if I vape anything with much PG in it, I get tremendously tired ... just like I really need sleep. Normally, I vape mainly VG stuff from HHV and AVE, but since I've been searching for a really good, old-fashioned Turkish, I tried some of Halo's Turkish. Taste was FANTASTIC, but the PG laid me low. Couldn't figure out what was happening, but when I saw that they didn't list the PG/VG ratio, I figured it must be high PG ... I put the Halo Turkish back in the "maybe later" box a couple of days ago and the tired feeling is gone again ...
Halo just came out and emailed me to offer samples. Can prolly just email them. Or wait until I get mine from them and I'll send them to u. Lol.
I've already been told that their liquids are prolly pushing at least 80%pg which means in order for me to try them I have to take the risk of feeling like crap for a few days. I'm not in a big hurry to feel like crap for a juice that I may or may not like when I know I have a cabinet full of ones that I do like and know what their pg/vg ratios are.
I vaped some Halo juices when I first started. I realized that I had developed a PG sensitivity so I emailed the owner asking what the PG/VG ratio of his juices were and he told me he didn't disclose that information because other people were trying to duplicate his juice. I won't repeat what I told him but suffice it to say that I never ordered Halo juice again and I would never recommend a vendor that wouldn't disclose that very important information. If you don't care what you're vaping, go ahead and order Halo. I won't because the owner is a jerk.
Agreed. And even knowing the pg/vg ratios it's still a shot in the dark to duplicate a flavor. I just see pg sensitivity in the same class as food allergies. It's a known fact some ppl react harshly to pg. That basic information should be made available for everyone.
I also have realized that I have a PG sensitivity, but mixing my own juice I do a 50/50 mix and I am ok (as long as I am not pushing 7.4V through a 1.5ohm atty). I also emailed Halo probably a year and a half ago and pretty much asked the same thing. He gave the same response. I think it is a typical copy and paste response. I replied to him that I have no intention of copying and selling his recipe, that I just wanted to know the ratio of PG to VG. I did not receive a response from him.
It is unfortunate because I really do like their Tru Pure, Menthol Ice, etc.
It is unfortunate because I really do like their Tru Pure, Menthol Ice, etc.
I wonder if Johnny Blaze/Halo would say if the pg is greater than a certain percentage? If you know you can't tolerate greater than 30%, just ask if it is greater than 30%. Anyway, I do believe as stated by Mr. Mann that the pg is quite high in Halo eliquids.
Umm nope, not from what I've heard anyway. They just ignore the emails. They ain't giving up nothing. I'm thinking this pg/vg ratio is one of those things in the presidents book of secrets. Ridiculous. Boy they're gonna have a rude awakening if/when the FDA gets into regulating these juices. All these other vendors are going to be so far ahead of them. Hell mountain oak even gives you a laboratory tested breakdown of what's in their juice. Props to them. I'd pay twice as much for their juices than give my money to a company that won't get off their high horse to give out even the most basic and I believe necessary information.
Hi Base234,
I have to say this is the first time I've been referred to as a "jerk", as I always try to accommodate customers as much as possible. This is my stock response to emails regarding our PG/VG ratio which I have been using for years:
This has also been posted quite a few times in our subforum. When you work for years developing proprietary blends of flavorings and base, and attempt to set yourself apart from the competition, its difficult to release this information so freely. I'm sorry you feel I am a jerk, but I feel the last line of my quote should be enough to determine whether our PG/VG ratio is right for you.
JB
I have to say this is the first time I've been referred to as a "jerk", as I always try to accommodate customers as much as possible. This is my stock response to emails regarding our PG/VG ratio which I have been using for years:
This has also been posted quite a few times in our subforum. When you work for years developing proprietary blends of flavorings and base, and attempt to set yourself apart from the competition, its difficult to release this information so freely. I'm sorry you feel I am a jerk, but I feel the last line of my quote should be enough to determine whether our PG/VG ratio is right for you.
JB
Well if nothing else I'm at least glad to see Johnny is paying attention to the consumers posts. Even if it took being called a jerk to call him out. Yikes. But since you're here I'll add this...as vaping in general is growing in popularity and the number of possible consumers is exploding before your eyes wouldn't you like to attract a new fan base instead of the old tried and true fans. As this number inevitably increases due to the sky rocketing costs of smoking and people's general desire to stop smoking I only see the number of potential pg sensitive vapers to also increase. Your e juices might be absolutely top notch but in order to even try them I have to run the risk of making myself sick because no one knows how much pg is in them? I know after years of experimenting that I can tolerate a 40%pg. So yes if your juices are considerably higher in pg than vg they aren't going to be for me. But what if I could tolerate 70%pg? Then I'm right back to having no idea if your juice would make me sick or not. I know I'm not the only one in this boat. I understand you have a product to protect but I think you have a growing population of consumers to protect as well.
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I really wanted to love the Halo samples of Tribeca and Freedom Juice. The flavor is very good and I was hopin' the high PG wouldn't affect me as it has in the past. Nope, crap! love the flavor but PG seems to leave an after taste. I to use VG heavy juice and love it to death but even HHV says I should try it with some PG to get more true flavor. Anyway I'm gonna put this Halo in a carto and try that because it is such a unique flavor profile. I don't get any major side effects from PG just a little raspy throat but that alone cuts short my vapin' session with it. I didn't realize there were that many people that have an aversion to high PG. New thread? Blend 4 mmmmm tasty.
Thanks for responding Dante,
Yes, we definitely pay attention to customers concerns on ECF and see you have been quite active about Halo lately
Perhaps I can shed a little more light from our perspective. Each of our blends have varying PG/VG ratios which are engineered to specific flavors. At that point we would have to disclose each individual PG/VG ratio which could potentially be used as a starting point for competitors. Now a competitor knows that this PG/VG ratio works well with this type of flavor and has a valuable piece of information. Combine that with other methods of reverse engineering liquids (and there are plenty), and they now have a handful of information to get going. By offering the information needed without specific formulas, we feel the customer can make an educated decision on whether our liquid is right for them. In my opinion the word "substantial" in my default email offers a fairly narrow range that offers enough insight whether our liquids will be a match or not. If the customer falls into the smaller range of question, we do offer the 7ml bottles so they don't have to invest heavily to try us.
In addition, the norm of tolerable PG may be slightly skewed for those that have a slight PG intolerance. Our PG is hands down the purest available to man, that I am confident of. Based on my experience with customers, I have had quite a few come back and say that they did not have reactions to our juices as they have with other PG blends. This is by no means a proved theory, and I don't claim it to be fact, but I am just sharing some of my experiences with customers. There are many scenarios that could play into this (flavorings, physical health at the time, coincidence, etc), so right now it is just theory. It is however something we plan on having trials for in the future.
That being said, I agree that our PG/VG blend isn't for everyone. By this time I was really hoping to have a VG line available, however we have been fortunate enough to be growing at a tremendous pace. This is definitely something we have plans for in the future but we have many projects on the plate right now. We fully understand there is a market for VG juices, and hope to be able to bring this to our customers sooner than later.
Hope this helps shed a little more light on the situation from our side. I'm not sure that I'm allowed to post in this thread as a vendor, so I will have to gracefully bow out. Please feel free to email me with any additional questions and I will be happy to help.
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