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Hi guys/ gals, was linked to this thread from my other one. I don't know what I use for e-liquid, whether it's PG or VG. So with that said, do I need to know that before purchasing one of these? Is this still in the experimental stage as far as getting it to work right? Is there a video that explains the exact parts I would need and a how to as far as building one?

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Hi guys/ gals, was linked to this thread from my other one. I don't know what I use for e-liquid, whether it's PG or VG. So with that said, do I need to know that before purchasing one of these? Is this still in the experimental stage as far as getting it to work right? Is there a video that explains the exact parts I would need and a how to as far as building one?

Thanks.

...Read this thread. Seriously, it's all here, and in the rest of this rba forum. PG or mostly-PG juices wick easier because they're thinner than 100% VG juices, but you can get a genesis-style RBA like the AGA-T2 to run whatever you want with the right setup. There's a popular thread here with a genesis setup video, and a million more on youtube.

Sorry but you're going to have to do a bit of reading on the rest. :)
 

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Yeah I realize that, but if there's 1 formula that works, rather than 10 people trying that and that, someone should make a definitive go to video for the idiots like me. That's all I'm saying. If this is a setup that works, I'll purchase it and go from there. I just want to know that it's a viable setup is all for now and I'll deal with the rest later.
 

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Even if there is one formula that works, there are a lot of variables in place that'll require macgyvering to get everything running (prodding coils, proper oxidation, etc etc).

Best part about RBA is you set it up as you like it. And as with the rest of the e-cig setup, personal preference takes some time to discover.

Took me about a month to really settle on my AGA setup (1.6Ω 5/6 wrap #500 rolled tight) by playing around with it.
 

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Because this information may not necessarily be found in one post, I took the time to do so in hopes that it will demystify the AGA-T and other RBAs. I will make this into a Blog also so you won't need to remember what thread you saw it, just remember who wrote it and check my blog. Happy Vaping.

Rolling a wick, wrapping a coil, and eliminating hot spots with extreme prejudice:

At first many people have understandable issues and varying levels of success or failure/frustration with their AGA-T or other RBA.
Some can't quite get a tight solidly rolled wick, some have a problem with wrapping coils, most all will have issues with hot spots, metallic taste etc.

Below I describe a technique that works and works well for me. It is not the only way to do things but it can give direction and a solid starting point. There are plenty of videos that show each step but many skip giving much detail on the process. You see it but may not necessarily understand how they did it right. Combine this instructional with a good video if you need to.

Once you get the hang of it you may likely find that you move past this specific technique, change things up a little and make it your own. That is perfectly fine. This is a starting point to get you up and running in an attempt to minimize the learning curve and frustration, and maximize the pure vaping pleasure of your awesome RBA.

Once properly mastered, you will not need to use what many call crutches or band-aids in order to deal with inevitable top coil hot spots. (Wick bent towards center post, washers on center post, "L" kink in top wire, twisted top wire lead etc). Band aids hide the problem, proper technique removes the problem.

Once properly mastered, You will have no wicking issues while leaving the fill screw in. Make up air to the tank is provided through the wick as the tank pulls a vacuum from liquid leaving the tank, it sucks air through the wick to equalize tank pressure. As a result I have left my PV on it's side for hours at a time with ZERO leaking. This is only possible with a solid wick.

Solid Wick: The key to maximizing capillary action is to use as much mesh as possible. Straw wicks can work, but by design can not produce as efficient wicking as a good solidly rolled wick.
Start with a piece of 400 or 500 mesh 1.5" x 3". (You will find as you become proficient, you can increase width from 3" if you wish to).
Note: I use 1.5" for length purely to maximize and get the most out of my mesh. I purchase mesh in 6" x 12" sheets and can get 16 wicks out of it. I find that even though it could be a little longer and a little wider, I can vape a tank nearly bone dry with a 1.5" long by 3" wide (before roll) wick.

Pre-torch mesh: (I use a gas stove)
Holding it with needle-nose pliers, heat just long enough to get each part barely glowing orange, always slowly moving it around until all areas have been lit up.
Turn it over and repeat on other side.
Pre-torching mesh makes it easier to work with while rolling it.

Rolling Wick:
You can start with a pin/needle/paperclip, but will not use it for most of technique.
Roll first 1/4 to 1/3 of mesh, pull out pin/needle and unroll. (You won't need it for the remainder)
Starting over, work out the center straw hole now as it will be near impossible later (This will save you from sore fingers)
Repeat as necessary until it is solid prior to going past the 1/4 - 1/3 mark.

Rolling Technique: (The key in my technique for rolling a tight, solid wick as opposed to a sort of solid/ that's the best I can do solid wick)
Start at the center with your thumbs and middle fingers.
As you roll forward, gently but snugly pull outward towards the ends as if you were trying to stretch the wick longer.
NEVER let go of both sides at once while re-positioning your fingers to further roll your wick.
(Let go of one end and move that hand to the center, then position your other hand at the center ready for another rolling pass.
When you get close to the end, stop and fold the last (roughly) 1/8" or more back towards the wick and flatten the crease well. This will go far in preventing micro shorts between the cut edge of the mesh and the coil.

NOTE: If you find the ends start to cone or are not "squared", in between rolling passes firmly hold wick in center with one hand and grab the ends with the other hand (thumb and finger) press together towards center to even it back up, then continue rolling.

Oxidize rolled wick:
(I then take the wick back to the stove.) Use needle nose pliers to gently but firmly hold it in the center of the wick while heating. Be careful not to crush or dent it.
1 Heat one end until wick glows orange, moving through the flame up to the pliers.
2 Without letting go or re-positioning pliers, turn it over and repeat on second end.
3 Repeat steps 1 and 2 for a total of three to four times, no more is needed.
NOTE: Do not worry about the spot where the pliers were, oxidation is not needed there, and the remainder of needed oxidation will take place when dry burning coils and working out hot spots.

Juice Burn:
Holding in the same fashion as before, drip PG or VG on wick on both side of pliers (can also use a clear juice, can be flavored or have nic if you dont have PG/VG stock).
Light both ends of wick with flame, allow it to burn itself out.
Repeat for total of 3-4 juice burns.

Wrap coil:
Take your length of kanthal to be used and pass a lighter flame over it (or use stove) until it starts to glow orange, move it along the length from one end to the other. This allows it to be more manageable while wrapping the coil wire and also begins the coil oxidation process.

Wrap coil directly on wick.

DO NOT pull too tightly while wrapping the coil. That is one of the biggest factors in creating hot spots, wrapping too loosely and leaving gaps of air between the coil and wick is the other.
Just apply moderate pressure while slowly wrapping coils as close to each other as possible.
Uniform contact with the wick is key, it doesn't need to be tight at all, just touching.
Before placing wick and coil in the AGA-T, use this opportunity to clean up your tension a little. If you see that there are gaps of air between wick and coil, hold both ends of coil and wick and twist to tighten up a little, applying inward pressure like you were trying to make the coiled portion shorter.
Spin the wick a little and make sure that the wick stays were you put it, but it is by no means a tight fit. Lightly touching everywhere is best.

Connecting Coil:
Insert wick with coil attached into the wick-hole. Stop when the top of the wick is just about even with the top of the center post.
I connect both positive and negative ends in an "S" wrap, which requires wrapping your coil counter-clockwise up your wick if you want the positive post wrapped clockwise. (Reverse that if you prefer the positive contact to be wrapped counterclockwise)
When I tighten the positive nut, I hold the wick slightly pulled away from the positive post. It will get pulled slightly toward the center post while tightening nut. I make sure that when the nut is tight, the wick is still vertical and the wire leading to the center post does not have excess pressure pulling on the wick and causing the coil to bite into the wick.
Spin your wick a little and make sure that the edge seam of the wick is not directly touching the top wire between the wick and center post, and also that it is still fairly easy to turn.

Hot Spot annihilation: Your key to a good pleasurable vape.
Adjusting your coils while under power is desirable for two reasons:
1 A heated coil moves easily while adjusting it.
2 you will see immediate results once you have made a positive adjustment, and know when to stop adjusting.

Set PV on 3v or low wattage and press the fire button. Watch for coils to light up, unless you are really good or lucky, you will have a hot spot to work out.
I use the back edge of a pair of micro scissors to adjust coils, use what you have that is metal and small enough to manipulate the coils. You will figure out when to use the edge and when you need to use the tip.
While your coils are glowing start moving them around and evening them up. Bump, poke, prod, wiggle, move, adjust... You will hear a lot of verbs depending on who is describing the process. The point is the coils have to be fiddled with in order to remove the hot spots (there's another verb for you).
If they are not all glowing, do not let it remain glowing for more than 2-3 seconds so you don't pop the coil and have to start over.
You have to work in short bursts while pulsing for 3 second glows until the hot spot goes away and all the other coils light up.
Once all the coils are glowing you don't have to be as careful to remove power so quickly, the heat is being dispersed over a broader area.

Repeat until all coils light up fairly even and there is no top coil hot spot. Don't worry if the top and bottom coil are lit more dimly than the rest. Do not proceed to the next step until you have successfully taken care of the hot spot and achieved fairly even glow across all coils. Failure to heed this warning can cause a greater voltage to pop your coil sooner than at low voltage.

Note: If at any point your resistance drops and does not allow your APV to fire due to low Ωs, move the coils up or down a little, concentrating on what looks like the tightest ones first and test fire to see if you have solved the problem. Sometimes merely spinning the wick a little in place takes care of it. Make sure you allow the wick to cool before grabbing it!

Note: (This can be performed earlier also )You may slide your wick out to test what your true coil Ω is and compare it to what you get when you slide your wick back in. They should be identical when everything is right. This is also a good method to see if your coil wants to lean over towards the center post. If it does, loosen the nut and straighten it back up. You want your coil to be vertical while relaxed and not have any force pulling on it which causes shorts.

Bump voltage to 3.2v and repeat process.
Bump voltage to 3.4v and repeat process.
Bump voltage to 3.6v and repeat process.
Bump voltage to 3.8v and repeat process.
Bump voltage to 4.0v and repeat process.

You are now ready to fill tank with juice.

Check for wicking issues:
Fill with juice, replace your fill screw and put a drop or two of juice on the wick if desired.
With the cap still off, fire your PV and verify that vapor is produced and your coils DO NOT glow as they did when there was no juice. This is normal and required for a good vape. The juice keeps the coils cool enough to not glow (which would cause the flavor to be bad. No I mean it, really bad and un-enjoyable)

VAPE: After firing it a few times to ensure that you do not have a wicking issue, replace cap and enjoy awesome flavor and wicking from the start.

NOTE: (Assuming you don't have a wicking issue) If at any time after your AGA-T is set up properly and vaping good, it starts to taste bad, a hot spot has likely re-appeared. You may not be able to see it due to liquid cooling.
Drain your tank with a syringe (save and re-use) or tilt PV with wick side up ()trickier but I have done it successfully a few times), dry burn off juice from wick and work out the hot spot that I 99% guarantee will be there.

Refill and vape on.

Understanding your enemy:
The reason a hot spot is your enemy. When you have a hot spot, all of the heat is super-concentrated in one spot instead of being spread out over a large area. Your juice is burning at the hot spot and not heating much at all over the rest of the coil. This can be happening even if you do not see the top coil glowing (see liquid cooling effect). If you do not fully address hot spots, and learn to recognize through taste when they have returned, you will be stuck vaping at a capacity that is much less than your AGA-T is capable of. If it doesn't taste really good (assuming that your juice should taste really good), then there is a problem, don't put up with it or think that is just the way it is. Fix it.

This process may seem overwhelming and too involved. The warning you see on websites that sell RBA's should make sense now. It takes getting your hands dirty and messing with it. The main reason for the warning is that without some proper guidance, a person can think that their RBA is a lemon and they are unsatisfied and want a refund. The AGA-T is an excellent RBA. That being said, I know complete un-mechanically and un-technically minded people find quick success with a little instruction and hands on practice.

I hope this helps more of you become proficient and comfortable with your AGA-T or other RBA .

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I'm guessing they are talking about ones for the fill and negative screws. I read that they are M3 but Idk what the thread pitch is.
I used M3 machine screws, with socket heads, to replace the existing screws in my AGA T and T+. No clue what the thread pitch is, but they are the ones with fine, rather than coarse threading. Hope that helps. Looked similar to this, except the ones I bought were shiny:
4XE50_AS01
 

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Oxidize rolled wick:
(I then take the wick back to the stove.) Use needle nose pliers to gently but firmly hold it in the center of the wick while heating. Be careful not to crush or dent it.
1 Heat one end until wick glows orange, moving through the flame up to the pliers.
2 Without letting go or re-positioning pliers, turn it over and repeat on second end.
3 Repeat steps 1 and 2 for a total of three to four times, no more is needed.
NOTE: Do not worry about the spot where the pliers were, oxidation is not needed there, and the remainder of needed oxidation will take place when dry burning coils and working out hot spots.

Juice Burn:
Holding in the same fashion as before, drip PG or VG on wick on both side of pliers (can also use a clear juice, can be flavored or have nic if you dont have PG/VG stock).
Light both ends of wick with flame, allow it to burn itself out.
Repeat for total of 3-4 juice burns.

I notice there's no "quenching" step involved in the above. Is that quite on purpose?
 

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I notice there's no "quenching" step involved in the above. Is that quite on purpose?

I have never found a need or benefit to quenching, that being said many people do it and end up with successful set ups.
That also btw leads me to believe that it is not necessary, but I don't know why it would hurt. At a minimum, it adds more time needed to heat your mesh back up.
 

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I have never found a need or benefit to quenching, that being said many people do it and end up with successful set ups.
That also btw leads me to believe that it is not necessary, but I don't know why it would hurt. At a minimum, it adds more time needed to heat your mesh back up.
Ditto to that. I rolled my mesh and heated it on my gas stove, let it cool for a minute and reheated it. Pretty easy setup. no quenching, no messing around with juice burn. 3 or 4 hot spots, worked themselves out with a bit of poking. It took about 5 minutes. I did have to twist the excess wire around the dogleg to the center post to kill the hotspot there.
 

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I notice there's no "quenching" step involved in the above. Is that quite on purpose?

I don't qench my wick. As I have posted in this thread many times I simply burn the mesh before rolling (both sides), roll the wick, burn it through once, and nothing more.

I found in my experience juice quenching just makes my wick hard, brittle, and decreases the wicking I get.
 

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I don't qench my wick. As I have posted in this thread many times I simply burn the mesh before rolling (both sides), roll the wick, burn it through once, and nothing more.

I found in my experience juice quenching just makes my wick hard, brittle, and decreases the wicking I get.

I've found that in some ways it's easier to roll the wick and then do two burns. If you burn the mesh before you roll it, it stiffens the mesh, which can make it harder to roll. Only the outside of the mesh needs to be oxidized anyways. This way I get the best of both worlds, a (potentially) partially un-oxidized mesh in the center and an oxidized non-conductive outer layer. (Though I feel that the mesh probably gets fully oxidized, even when already rolled.)
 

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I've found that in some ways it's easier to roll the wick and then do two burns. If you burn the mesh before you roll it, it stiffens the mesh, which can make it harder to roll. Only the outside of the mesh needs to be oxidized anyways. This way I get the best of both worlds, a (potentially) partially un-oxidized mesh in the center and an oxidized non-conductive outer layer. (Though I feel that the mesh probably gets fully oxidized, even when already rolled.)

Yeah, good point. I'll give my next wick a go like this :)
 

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If you burn the mesh before you roll it, it stiffens the mesh, which can make it harder to roll.

I find just the opposite true. Although I can roll a wick with or without pre-torching it, SS mesh is like silk and wants to slip n slide if you don't pre-torch it.

Note that pre-torching your wick is only to make it easier to roll, it isn't being heated enough to be oxidized properly.
 

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I've found that in some ways it's easier to roll the wick and then do two burns. If you burn the mesh before you roll it, it stiffens the mesh, which can make it harder to roll. Only the outside of the mesh needs to be oxidized anyways. This way I get the best of both worlds, a (potentially) partially un-oxidized mesh in the center and an oxidized non-conductive outer layer. (Though I feel that the mesh probably gets fully oxidized, even when already rolled.)

It's easier to roll mesh that's torched beforehand because it will hold shape better and not try to unroll as much.
 
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