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Has God Used you lately?

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UntamedRose

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I can see where you would think that. Most everyone I know or run into is a Christian. I talk to strangers about world conditions and bring my faith into it. They are either lying or know Jesus as their Saviour, and that is the truth. I realize everyone is not a Christian.....I honestly know that. I do not hide in a corner, nor am I in lala land. I am disabled and can't get out as much as I would like, but I do get out. :|

Thats not a lala land statement?
 

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The quote you cited was from a very unreliable source, MM. They attribute quotes to famous people that were never said by them. Here is a little on what Einstein ACTUALLY said:

Religious views of Albert Einstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm only give a quote that is well known not his beliefs or thoughts or his religious back ground.

This is all over the web and all say the same thing it has even been published in a books.

"I want to know God’s thoughts. The rest are details.”

—Albert Einstein --- Quoted by E. Salaman in “ A Talk with Einstein”, Listener 54 (1955)
 

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    I wish this part of the Forum did not exist. Takes up too much bandwith. CATHOLICS were the first people to believe in Christ, the very definition of a "Christian."

    As too often, the so-called "Christian" has an air of arrogance and is close minded to those who dare to challenge.

    I don't think this is an Exclusive Club. And I think that It's Members come from All Walks of Life. And from All "Named" Religions.

    LOL
     

    Saintscruiser

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    For a Christian, you sure do have a bit of an attitude. Bassnut wanted LisaLisa back because we miss her, not because of her moderator abilities. Sheesh....

    No one has her email address? I can email her and tell her she is missed by you guys. I'll be happy to do that for you. Kat, I never said I was perfect. There was only one Man who walked this earth, to this moment, that lived a sinless life. His name is Jesus. :) I read the same post and came away with the idea that Bass misses Lisa because her moderating skills are different than mine. No harm, no foul. You guys know him better than I do. I'll take you at your word. Forgive me, Bass.:(
     

    UntamedRose

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    To answer the original Q that started all this.......
    How do (*cough* apparently lying) non believers cope without god?

    In much the same way children without imaginary friends cope. Friends, family, addressing the problem, finding a solution, distraction with something else, getting up in the morning and moving on...you know Productive stuff.
     

    mightymen

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    So, in your mind, he is a just God? A benevolent God? A fair God?

    YES I do in the New Testament it's easy for me to see Him being fair though when I go into the Hebrew Scriptures - Old Testament much reading and research is needed to understand but I've always seen Him as being fair even in this.
     

    UntamedRose

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    YES I do in the New Testament it's easy for me to see Him being fair though when I go into the Hebrew Scriptures - Old Testament much reading and research is needed to understand but I've always seen Him as being fair even in this.

    must not be reading the same book...from what I've read(helps not to cherry pick pretty parts) he's a vengeful immoral god who only got Slightly better when he started leaving stuff alone
     

    Katmar

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    I'm only give a quote that is well known not his beliefs or thoughts or his religious back ground.

    This is all over the web and all say the same thing it has even been published in a books.

    And things can be taken quite out of context, MM. As they are in your source.

    Here's actual quotes from Einstein, but you must pay attention to understand what he means.

    Albert Einstein
     
    must not be reading the same book...from what I've read(helps not to cherry pick pretty parts) he's a vengeful immoral god who only got Slightly better when he started leaving stuff alone

    I dunno, sending bears to tear apart children for calling a bald man names seems pretty fair.

    So does drowning babies in the Flood. I mean, nits beget lice, right? Not to mention all the animals killed because only two would fit on the Ark, even for the species that don't reproduce that way (and ignoring the horribly tight genetics, Founder effect problems, and speed of drift).

    Even at the beginning, let's take two people who are innocent of good and evil (the definition of "not legally responsible" we still use today) and putting them in a garden with a tree that they're told not to touch. Not understanding the difference between right and wrong, they wouldn't understand why they shouldn't touch it, nor that it's wrong to do so.
     

    Bones

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    CATHOLICS were the first people to believe in Christ, the very definition of a "Christian."

    Uhh - That's not at all true - There were many different sects right from the start - The Catholic sect was one of the the most POLITICAL and structure oriented - Most of the others functioned more as loose associations of like thinkers - Like the Gnostics -

    "Catholics" were co-opted by Rome as this is where the concern over local governance issues was best served -
    And there were even sects within that sect - There has ALWAYS been a battle over who the "True Christians" really are -
    The only distinguishing feature of Roman Catholicism was that it was STATE SANCTIONED -

    Unlike most religions in the Roman Empire, however, Christianity required its adherents to renounce all other gods, a practice adopted from Judaism (see Idolatry). The Christians' refusal to join pagan celebrations meant they were unable to participate in much of public life, which caused non-Christians—including government authorities—to fear that the Christians were angering the gods and thereby threatening the peace and prosperity of the Empire. The resulting persecutions were a defining feature of Christian self-understanding until Christianity was legalised in the 4th century.[168]

    In 313, Emperor Constantine I's Edict of Milan legalised Christianity, and in 380 the Edict of Thessalonica made Catholic Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire which would persist until the empire itself ended with the Fall of Constantinople. During this time (the period of the Seven Ecumenical Councils) five primary sees emerged, an arrangement formalised by Emperor Justinian I as the pentarchy of Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria.[169][170] On 11 May 330, Constantine moved the imperial capital to Constantinople, modern Istanbul, Turkey, and in 451 the Council of Chalcedon, in a canon of disputed validity,[171] elevated the see of Constantinople to a position "second in eminence and power to the bishop of Rome".[172] But from c. 350 to c. 500, in spite of these developments, the bishops, or popes, of Rome, a city no longer the capital of the empire, steadily increased in authority.[173]

    Catholic Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     

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    I dunno, sending bears to tear apart children for calling a bald man names seems pretty fair.

    So does drowning babies in the Flood. I mean, nits beget lice, right? Not to mention all the animals killed because only two would fit on the Ark, even for the species that don't reproduce that way (and ignoring the horribly tight genetics, Founder effect problems, and speed of drift).

    Even at the beginning, let's take two people who are innocent of good and evil (the definition of "not legally responsible" we still use today) and putting them in a garden with a tree that they're told not to touch. Not understanding the difference between right and wrong, they wouldn't understand why they shouldn't touch it, nor that it's wrong to do so.

    The whole Exodus with Moses and Pharaoh is my fav....not that the story isnt horrible enough killing thousands of children as normally told but include the little bit that is was GOD not allowing the Pharaoh to give up and it's just flat out torture and murder. God created the mess for no other reason but....???? fun I guess (only real Upside is historically it's 100% made up)
     

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    must not be reading the same book...from what I've read(helps not to cherry pick pretty parts) he's a vengeful immoral god who only got Slightly better when he started leaving stuff alone

    If you see it that way, I can't debate that point with you.

    I see Him as a God who made us, supplies what we need, wants us with Him and is doing everything that's need to be with Him that he loves us so much he gave us all free will and allows us to choose to be with Him even though He could have not given us free will and just made it so. I see it as God wants it to be our choice not His.
     

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    Infernal I always respect you and always have seen you give respect, of course I read your post though I'm a little complex you said this

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    These words have nothing to do with being a good person or it's hard. It's about not being a good person and it's impossible to come to God with your own works, telling us those who earnestly want to come to God have to trust in a Savior that there is no other way.

    Thank you for the accolade MM. And while I understand the broader context being given here. The difference in perspectives, in my opinion, is almost too small to make a real distinction, the only major difference is that on one hand you would strive towards being godly while I would strive towards being humane; often in the actual teachings of Christianity the difference is minute. Again, remember that I don't seek enlightenment in a god or gods, so the idea of the narrow path being only through religion is unimportant to me. But the words spoken here are still, very much, a reasonable guideline to life.

    13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

    14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

    15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

    17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

    18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    I understand that in your context, your belief says that while all of these things are desirable and Christ-like, they don't amount to much if the person does not also accept Christ into their hearts however, just because I don't necessarily subscribe to the Christ part, the guide is still a positive one. There is a Russian proverb as old as the hills I'm sure that says almost the same thing, "Znayet koshka, ch'yo myaso s'yela" (The cat knows whose meat it has eaten) meaning essentially the same underlying lesson.

    I guess, on the whole, what I'm getting at is that too often I find Christians assuming that because I don't believe I can't be a moral person or can't understand the underlying value of the lessons of the Bible. Some are universal and draw from common sense and humanity, you don't necessarily need a god too understand that.
     

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    Thats not a lala land statement?

    Rose, it's almost like you don't comprehend what I'm saying, and I apologize if I'm conveying it incorrectly. People here, or anywhere in the Bible Belt, agree with what you're saying, otherwise they would stick out like a sore thumb. So they have accepted Jesus as their Saviour or they are trying to blend in. They are either a Christian or a pretending one so as not to appear out of place. That's all I was trying to say. The thing with texts, posts, and letters is that you can't hear the inflection of the voice. Things do get read out of context, and yes, I too am in that category. :ohmy:
     

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    YES I do in the New Testament it's easy for me to see Him being fair though when I go into the Hebrew Scriptures - Old Testament much reading and research is needed to understand but I've always seen Him as being fair even in this.

    Then why do drunk drivers kill people and walk away without a scratch. Is that just? Why did a 16 year old get drunk and kill 4 people, including a minister, and injure 12 others, then walk away without a scratch, and get away with basically no punishment? Is that fair? Why did I watch 6 teenagers burn to death when I was only 17, because we couldn't get to them in time? Is that benevolence???


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    Uhh - That's not at all true - There were many different sects right from the start - The Catholic sect was one of the the most POLITICAL and structure oriented - Most of the others functioned more as loose associations of like thinkers - Like the Gnostics - SNIP

    I stand corrected. BUT, they were and are "Christians." Right?
     

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    And things can be taken quite out of context, MM. As they are in your source.

    Here's actual quotes from Einstein, but you must pay attention to understand what he means.

    Albert Einstein

    Did he ask this - "I want to know how God created this world" very simple said no code words.

    That all I posted that all that was needed Einstein said "I want to know how God created this world"

    Or are you saying we should never say Einstein said this.
     
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