Has the American ANTZ messaging strategy crystalized?

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For those of you who follow the media, I have a little multiple-choice quiz.

Of the following items, which represents the principal talking point mentioned by all professional tobacco Control personel, regardless of whether they work for a gov't agency at the local, state, or federal level - or a 501(c)(3) such as the ALA, ACS, AHA, CFTFK, etc. (most of which also take gov't money, and are for all intents and purposes part and parcel of the tobacco Control industry):

a) PVs aren't a provably-effective cessation or THR tool, because ... [Various reasons go here, e.g. they aren't statistically more effective than the patch which is FDA-approved, smokers use vaping as a "dual use" technology, and people take up vaping as a gateway to smoking.]

b) BT is out to hook our kids by renormalizing smoking all over again, and no other threat could be more salient. We won't get fooled again.

c) PVs are "not proven" to be safe for the user; and/or not proven to be safer for the user than analogs - therefore "we just don't know" ... [Again, fill in the blank with FDA '09, the UCR "heavy metals" investigation, the fact that there are 200+ different brands and they're unregulated and/or the lack of "longitudinal" studies, etc.]

d) PVs are "not proven" to be harmless to bystanders in either enclosed spaces or in outdoor areas because of ... [Again, fill in the blank with any of the items in c) or add "volatile organic compounds, "third-hand-smoke," etc.]

e) Look at those huge, horrible, nicotine-laden clouds. They must be dangerous. A cigarette is a cigarette is a cigarette. Let's keep it simple!

f) E-cigarettes are used by child molesters to tempt children, they generate poison control center calls, puncture tires, kill puppies, and start battery charger fires.

If you chose (b), I'd say we agree.

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Item: Bill introduced in congress last week sets the stage - now the media is ready to presume that BT is marketing PVs to children. Let the studies, press releases, and talking points flow forth.

Item: Today's NPR story out of Boston in which the moderator had to prompt Brian King, adviser to the Office on Smoking and Health at the CDC to talk about the dangers to users and/or bystanders. Clearly Mr. King was too concerned about staying on message, where the message involved BT's efforts to encourage minors to "smoke."

Item: NYT story today about "vape pens" and "e-hookahs" being marketed to minors, in tandem with the CDC's plans to study 20,000 children's experiences, and the state of California's aim to survey 400,000.

Item: Two almost-identical stories out of Michigan today involving Dr. Matthew Davis, the state community health dir., on minor use of PVs. A very similar story coming out of CDC Atlanta. Accidental?

Item: Elegantly-choreographed oratory from Los Angeles City Councilpeople matches up perfectly with editorial by SF Councilman Eric Mar. It's all about the kids.

Item: Where once cub reporters were fumbling around with Google, in search of the standard FDA paragraph ("E-cigarettes are battery-powered devices ..."), and reporting dead puppies, charger firers, punctured car tires, poison control center calls, and all the rest ... now they're united in harmony - all singing the same tune, courtesy of press releases and interviews with Tobacco Control Industry professionals. (Note that the last three NPR stories in a row concerned chldren. Including that horrific travesty of journalism standards that relied on an 8th-grader, and which was run under the "Youth Radio" heading.)

Item: The term "renormalizing smoking" has now become second nature to both reporters and politicians. One hardly ever sees it in quotation marks any more. Look for it in the "How well do you know the news?" quizes next week. Wait 'til your spouse asks you to "renormalize" ferrying the kids from school.

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So why this focus on children, aside from the obvious emotional impact - surely harms to users and bystanders ought to be significant? And what about all those charger fires and poison control center calls - don't they count? (Not even a little love for those child molesters who were using PVs to tempt kids?)

Answer: The most effective single restriction that can be imposed on vaping is the end of internet sales to consumers, viz. a national face-to-face sales requirement.

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Once F2F sales are mandated, then it's open season with regards to local taxes, packaging/labelling, and all other regulatory requirments. No internet will be available to circumvent the ability of local authorities to inspect the offerings of B&M outlets. And there will be no effective recourse for vapers when licenses are terminated and/or moratoriums placed on new licenses. No need for the FDA to act.

As far as banning vaping in private vehicles that are on public streets, sidewalks, multi-unit privately-owned spaces that aren't open to the general public, parks, parking lots, and even strict inspection requirements for houses that are placed on the market (you know: third hand smoke?), this is all a done deal. Once California initiates these rules, the rest of the US and most of the world will follow.

History may record that this entire conflict turned on one strategic decision. The consensus so recently achieved by the Tobacco Control Industry to use BT's history in tandem with the vulnerability of minors as the ultimate Rosetta Stone that would translate all aspects of the War against Tobacco Burning into the War against Vaping.

Future restrictions will become even easier to adopt, because - as the librarian in Santa Maria CA said this week (and Stanton himself couldn't have put it better) -

A cigarette is a cigarette ...

Sometimes it takes a whole child to raze a village.
 
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And the irony is that their efforts to demonize and restrict vaping pushes smokers and reformed smokers back into the lap of big tobacco. In fact, after the fact analysis of the lobbying and money behind the EU debacle proves that money from Big Tobacco was directly involved in passage of this legislation.

If they had a lick of sense, honesty or decency, they would lobby full out to advance vaping world-wild. But then the issue is not really human health -- this is about corporate profits and GREED.


War is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength. "1984", George Orwell
 
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g) all of the above

I agree. The ANTZ aren't stupid, they're just very good at faking it. The "chillun" and "renormalize" are the buzz words of this week. But they're attacking on all fronts.

Here's a scary prediction - a flurry of "scientific" (junk) publications is imminent. These will start showing up in peer-reviewed journals and originate from the usual ANTZ research centers. I anticipate this junk "science" offensive will begin around June and increase in frequency in preparation for the FCTC COP in October (and the FDA regs also anticipated for October). These publications will address all of the points from the OP - you can imagine what they'll say, as they'll all be written by Glantz.
 

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I'v noticed in a few articles and interviews a new angle, when asked if ecigs are not in fact safer than smoking the new response is " that's not the issue that matters" or that's beside the point".
Antz have realized that ecigs are here to stay and are now working to restrict rather than remove them.
Oh and the big tobacco thing is like the who's sugar atack, all about latching a campaign on to some mythical anti corporation vibe. Not that I have any love for corporations but it's lazy and stupid. cooperation's have enough to answer for without making stuff up.
 

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I think you're right about the children becoming the focus point, but I'm not so sure there's any specific agenda.

I think "the children" are becoming the focal point because it's simple and easy to understand. Watch Stan Glantz confuse even himself when he tries to explain how more people using e-cigarettes translates into an increase in cigarette use... usually he bails in the middle of his own argument and settles for acting as though he's said something so profound, it really doesn't require explanation.

The public isn't buying into these arguments. So, trot out the children... the concept has been around for a long time. It's easy to understand and can be adapted to fit any agenda. Face to face sales? Sure. Banning flavors? Absolutely. Banning outdoor vaping? Sure, why not? Banning advertising? Yup. And so on and so fourth.

You know, we got trouble.
 

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The strategies are actually pretty simple. In the case of tobacco, everyone agrees that smoking is awful for health, and so banning tobacco use essentially everywhere is easier than directly taking on BT. Banning the use of tobacco everywhere is de facto a ban on cigarettes, without having to fight with BT or continuously motivate the FDA.

In the case of vaping, most people recognize that vaping is at least much less damaging to health than smoking, and so banning use everywhere is harder than in the case of tobacco. But killing off supply is not that hard, especially with the children argument. Soon, these arguments will likely include the claim that many children are using *other stuff* than nicotine, as well. So, coupling use bans with cutting off supply and hassling people about what’s really in their juice can come pretty close to a de facto ban on vaping.

It sure seems to me that we are watching this strategy unfold, and the worst collateral damage of the ANTZ agenda are individual freedom and a reasonable expectation of privacy even in our own homes.
 

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The strategies are actually pretty simple. In the case of tobacco, everyone agrees that smoking is awful for health, and so banning tobacco use essentially everywhere is easier than directly taking on BT. Banning the use of tobacco everywhere is de facto a ban on cigarettes, without having to fight with BT or continuously motivate the FDA.

In the case of vaping, most people recognize that vaping is at least much less damaging to health than smoking, and so banning use everywhere is harder than in the case of tobacco. But killing off supply is not that hard, especially with the children argument. Soon, these arguments will likely include the claim that many children are using *other stuff* than nicotine, as well. So, coupling use bans with cutting off supply and hassling people about what’s really in their juice can come pretty close to a de facto ban on vaping.

It sure seems to me that we are watching this strategy unfold, and the worst collateral damage of the ANTZ agenda are individual freedom and a reasonable expectation of privacy even in our own homes.

I'd add to the "worst collateral damage of the ANTZ agenda" those lives of smokers lost because they were discouraged from switching to a safer alternative.
 

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I'd add to the "worst collateral damage of the ANTZ agenda" those lives of smokers lost because they were discouraged from switching to a safer alternative.

I fully agree.
As to Europe: 105.000 deaths a year - every year - within the European Union alone, as a consequence of the proposed ban on nic levels higher than 20 mg / ml - now that is considerable collateral damage. See here
 
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The public and the media are only going to remember one thing at one time. Just one.

If the goal is to ensure that vaping is treated and viewed as smoking, then the mnors argument provides the most bang for the buck.

Also: taxation supports the Tobacco Control Industry. Otherwise it would be a net drain on gov't budgets. So an internet sales ban is absolutely essential. Not sure why this hadn't occured to me before.

Funny that I predicted NJ's A1080 bill morph without even knowing that I had (I just sensed that something had to be going on in NJ .. and whammo, it happened.)

And today we have the release of Glantz's JAMA article. Most media outlets are dutifully and uncritically propagating the talking points.

Who wants the Cassandra cooties? I'd be happy to give them away - if I could.
 
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snip...
And today we have the release of Glantz's JAMA article. Most media outlets are dutifully and uncritically propagating the talking points.

Here's Siegel's critique of the latest Slantz paper:
http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/03/conclusion-of-new-glantz-study-on.html

Also an interesting and informative read about the sorry state of scientific peer-review in general:
http://kingsreview.co.uk/magazine/b...nnovation-a-conversation-with-sydney-brenner/
 
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The New York Times article was pretty critical, too. It quoted two experts, neither of whom would back up Glantz.

“The data in this study do not allow many of the broad conclusions that it draws,” said Thomas J. Glynn, a researcher at the American Cancer Society.

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“One of the arguments that people make for e-cigarettes is that they are a way to cut down on the smoking of cigarettes, but the actual use pattern is just the opposite,” [Glantz] said.

But David Abrams, executive director of the Schroeder Institute for Tobacco Research and Policy Studies at the Legacy Foundation, an antismoking research group, said the study’s data do not support that conclusion.

“I am quite certain that a survey would find that people who have used nicotine gum are much more likely to be smokers and to have trouble quitting, but that does not mean that gum is a gateway to smoking or makes it harder to quit,” he said.

So, the score in the NYT is:
Science 2
Glantz 0
 
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I'v noticed in a few articles and interviews a new angle, when asked if ecigs are not in fact safer than smoking the new response is " that's not the issue that matters" or that's beside the point".
Antz have realized that ecigs are here to stay and are now working to restrict rather than remove them.
Oh and the big tobacco thing is like the who's sugar atack, all about latching a campaign on to some mythical anti corporation vibe. Not that I have any love for corporations but it's lazy and stupid. cooperation's have enough to answer for without making stuff up.

I believe they're working on both, restricting and eliminating. If they can restrict wqhere they can be used, it restricts the non-user from general exposure to them allowing the theme of "I don't want anyone blowing nicotine anywhere near me". There are a lot of people that believe nicotine is the reason tobacco causes health issues.

Next you work on getting internet sales banned and make it difficult to operate B&Ms. Now you can slow down, eliminate the growth.

You have organization that have become really good at understanding how to eat an elephant and e cigs are still just baboon sized.
 

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That right there is the quote of the day. Thank TNT!

From David Abrams: “I am quite certain that a survey would find that people who have used nicotine gum are much more likely to be smokers and to have trouble quitting, but that does not mean that gum is a gateway to smoking or makes it harder to quit. [...]
Youths who used e-cigarettes were more likely to plan to quit smoking.”
 

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The New York Times article was pretty critical, too. It quoted two experts, neither of whom would back up Glantz.



So, the score in the NYT is:
Science 2
Glantz 0

That's from two organizations that you wouldn't expect to dismiss any ANTZ study. As I'm writing, the 5 o'clock news went to commercial promising a report on the new study about kids and e cig use. Gee, I wonder how NBC will report it?

Well, they milked this story almost an entire hour. Yeah, it was all Slantz's propaganda. Someone's got to get this mech engineer out of the prohibitionist business.
 
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That right there is the quote of the day. Thank TNT!

From David Abrams: “I am quite certain that a survey would find that people who have used nicotine gum are much more likely to be smokers and to have trouble quitting, but that does not mean that gum is a gateway to smoking or makes it harder to quit. [...]
Youths who used e-cigarettes were more likely to plan to quit smoking.”

What's really surprising is that Abrams is from Legacy.

Sadly, Bloomberg and many other outlets parroted the study's bogus conclusions.
 

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So, the score in the NYT is:
Science 2
Glantz 0

Kinda like making the profound discovery that most members of AA are drinkers..

That is priceless!

What's really surprising is that Abrams is from Legacy.

Sadly, Bloomberg and many other outlets parroted the study's bogus conclusions.

Abrams has had balanced comments vis-a-vis ecigs previously. For example: As e-cigarette use increases, experts investigate health risks — Brown Daily Herald

But I'm not aware of Abrams ever directly criticizing the Slantz gang. And, in this particular case, he was pretty harsh to the point of being flippant. I wonder if a rift is starting to form between the extremist Glantz faction and the rest of the tobacco control community. One can only hope that all the work of Siegel all these years might be starting to have an effect.
 
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