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I'm sorry. I do know what it is, and I believe that it is a useful tool in the pursuit of harm reduction, but am not one of the people for whom it was intended. Niquid sans WTA works for me. I assumed there would be a section in the poll for those like me, but... I did want to add in my two cents.
I looked into WTA intensely when I began to vape in my successful (heh, only time in twenty years) attempt to quit smoking. I started off vaping 24 mg and 26 mg strength juices and found I still was jonesing for a cig. I tried WTA juices, including unflavored WTA which I added to other traditional juices. I don't think the WTA had more than a placebo effect on my urges though, to be perfectly honest. After my several bottles of WTA and WTA juices ran out, I've been vaping 24mg juice and actually cutting it with PG down to about 20 mg strength and that seems to basically be "doing it" for me fine.
I think that when you're starting to vape and still struggling with urges for cigs, anything that you think may help you get a leg up with worth trying though.
I think that when you're starting to vape and still struggling with urges for cigs, anything that you think may help you get a leg up with worth trying though.
WTA was the answer to my "missing something" during my first month or two of being analog free. Now, 7 months later, It's not a requirement any more. Currently, I only use it now and then, but am thankful for helping me distance myself from ciggies. If you do go the WTA route, I recommend Ethan at Vapelicious. However, you usually have to wait a bit, as I think he gets overwhelmed. Thanks Ethan for your product! It saved this girl
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I see no point in doing things to make this more addictive then it already is. I haven't smoked in 3 years. This is a good idea but way too late to gain my interest. Standard juice only for me.
Mac,
Not an attack and I use your post as an example only,
Why is it that so many 'quitters' of anything find it necessary to belittle or look down upon those who might need an ulterior method? If it smells like tobaccy, if it looks like smoke, then it is immoral and you should not be allowed to have it. I quit cold turkey and thats the way anyone should be able to do it. Man up cowboy.
Personally, I believe that ecig's have ALWAYS been flawed in that they are missing the MAOI's paired with the NIC.
WE all know it is not just the nic. If it were, all the chem companies would have solved addiction by now with patches, puffers, pills and gum. It is obviously more than any one, or really any several chemicals. ecigs have it down for replacing the feel, look, touch, smoke, and the nic, all they have always been missing is the 'focus' quality. Once that is hurdled, then it is a true alternative. I have found it is not the Nic for me. There are simply times of high work stress where I must concentrate, focus, very keenly, or bad things might happen. An analog does that immediately.
Giving some of us a more 'robust' option is really what its all about. You can always melt a jolly rancher or two, so hows about helping the cause and not spouting rhetoric.
Max
Not an attack and I use your post as an example only,
Why is it that so many 'quitters' of anything find it necessary to belittle or look down upon those who might need an ulterior method? If it smells like tobaccy, if it looks like smoke, then it is immoral and you should not be allowed to have it. I quit cold turkey and thats the way anyone should be able to do it. Man up cowboy.
Personally, I believe that ecig's have ALWAYS been flawed in that they are missing the MAOI's paired with the NIC.
WE all know it is not just the nic. If it were, all the chem companies would have solved addiction by now with patches, puffers, pills and gum. It is obviously more than any one, or really any several chemicals. ecigs have it down for replacing the feel, look, touch, smoke, and the nic, all they have always been missing is the 'focus' quality. Once that is hurdled, then it is a true alternative. I have found it is not the Nic for me. There are simply times of high work stress where I must concentrate, focus, very keenly, or bad things might happen. An analog does that immediately.
Giving some of us a more 'robust' option is really what its all about. You can always melt a jolly rancher or two, so hows about helping the cause and not spouting rhetoric.
Max
Oh no. I don't have anything against others using it. Or others smoking real tobacco for that matter. I am of the opinion that people should be able to ingest ANY chemicals they want, period. Be it toxic or not. Be it addictive or not. The question that was posed however, was "Has WTA worked for you?" I haven't tried it and have no intentions of trying it. (or selling it.) For the reasons I stated above. I am in a unique position to have met and spoken at length with thousands and thousands of smokers turned vapors. I have met very few who were unable to do this using traditional juice. For me it's a non issue. I simply don't see the point in adding more chemicals. That is my perspective. It was asked for so I shared it. Try not to read to much into it. My views on personal responsibility when it comes to mind altering substances are probably so radical that if the site TOS didn't prohibit me from speaking my mind, Max might find himself having the exact opposite argument with me.
If it's not then it's also not the holy grail some are making it out to be. Can't be. Either it's just like an analog or not. I couldn't say as I haven't tried it.
Well, I wouldn't go THAT far.
Putting back the naturally occurring MAIOs is likely to make it more addictive I would think.
But there are tons and tons of other things in cigarettes as well, some of which MAY make them even more addictive.
So while WTA juice isn't just like an analog, the idea is that in at least one way it is a little bit closer.
It is not "just like a cigarette" but it is also not exactly just like standard e-liquid. It is not a black or white thing, it is a happy and fulfilling grey
.I think it is more psychologically addictive because it has a more calming effect and I crave the feeling, but the nicotine is not super-charged or anything.
You have been talking to all the wrong people. I know of many people for whom straight e-liquiud does not work. Certainly didn't work for me. For the past 3 years I have watched folks come to the smokeless tobacco section on this forum after the urging by me and others, and after struggling with the nicotine only approach and failing, tried some snus and within days where back on there feet and cigarette free. It has happened over and over. There is with out a doubt something going on with the missing minor alkaloids in e-liquid that effects in a big way a percentage of the population. For some of us there is something missing which no amount of straight nicotine or higher voltage care cure.
WTA is not an additive. Nicotine only is in fact a subtractive. Some folks can adjust to it and some can't. For those that can't products like snus and WTA liquid can be a god-send.
Im with mac ... Unsure how it "didnt work" for anyone. I smoked 2 packs/day and 18mg was too much for me at first. Had to use 11mg then worked my way to it.
Theres gunna be some pain. Its not smoking, its vaping And at the rate your going, your gunna spend some dough.
Theres gunna be some pain. Its not smoking, its vaping
And at the rate your going, your gunna spend some dough.Well, if you're unsure, perhaps you might want to read up on the subject?
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