Have to vape like crazy on 24ml just to get the same nic as a cigarette

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DarkSky

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'Just started vaping a couple days ago. Ordered 9 10ml vials: 7x16mgs and 2x24mgs.

Using an eGo-U battery, CE4 atomizer.

Felt like I was getting almost no nicotine from the 16mg one, so I filled up my other atomizer with one of the 24mg ones.

STILL have to use the thing constantly just to get the same amount of nicotine that a cigarette provides it seems.

Like at work on break, when I go out for a smoke, after 1 (regular smoke, 1.2mg of nicotine), one can really feel the nicotine in your system. And how many drags does one take from a cigarette? 15 maybe? (I've never actually counted).

It seems like I have to do about 2X that of constant vaping on 24mg to get that same feeling that a cigarette gives me.

Is this normal?

I'm looking for a strength that I can smoke like a cigarette: not constantly sucking on the thing breath after breath.

Should I switch up to 36mg? The site I order from only goes as high as 24mg, but I've seen 36mg liquids on other sites.

??
 
If you smoked a full-flavor cigarette before; or, like myself, rolled your own... your set up is going to leave you feeling a little "light" on the nicotine. Mostly is the atomizer (CE4) that is the problem. I found after moving to using protanks, there was a big difference in how much vapor I was getting which in effect has to do with how much nicotine you're getting into your system with each "puff".
I would suggest trying some of the newer tanks that tend to give better vapor (am hearing a lot of positive about Nautilus these days, but I moved to a RBA with protank II as my backup at this point in time). Also, not sure what pg/vg mix you're getting. But I find something with more VG.. like a 50/50 or 30pg/70vg seemed to help.
There is also something to be said for a VV or VV/VW battery as well. I definitely found my Vision Spinner to be a help as well. One, it lasted longer than my eGo batteries, and I would get the voltage I set it for to the last puff.
 

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Hi

When you start... it could be a lot of things. Welcome to vaping 101.

Nope - vaping isn't smoking. Because it isn't the nicotine from vaping doesn't hit you over the head the way a cigarette does. It gets absorbed in your mouth more slowly - the same as that Nic-O-Gum. If you are trying to ramp your nic level up to get something like a cigarette buzz from a short vape you can make yourself sick chasing that. That can be a problem when you are starting vaping/quitting smoking if you are restricted to limited vape breaks at work. This works best if you can pace your vaping out on a consistent basis.

The other thing about vaping isn't smoking you will be dealing with is quit smoking withdrawal. This isn't just about replacing nicotine with nicotine. It's also about your body and brain going through withdrawal from all the crap that comes along with the nicotine from burning processed tobacco - including trace amounts of MAOI's - antidepressants. While you are sorting out the withdrawal higher and higher nicotine levels can't compensate for that entire process.

It sounds like your bigger problem right now is expecting vaping to be the same thing as smoking. It isn't. A lot of people new to vaping have to work up to vaping enough and on a consistent enough basis to deal with the cravings. Random vape breaks here and there throughout the day seldom work well when you are starting.
 
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i would definately have to agree with Rickajho. when i first started vaping i had a simmilar setup to you. the biggest thing that helped me was i threw away the ce4 and went with a mini protank and a winder battery. i would use the lower resisance heads and ramp the voltage up to about 3.8-4.0 volts. i really wouldnt go any higher than 24MG nicotine because you can get really sick and beleave me it SUCKS. just get yourself a variable voltage battery and a better tank system like the protank or mini protank and you will see a remarkable difference.
 

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'Just started vaping a couple days ago. Ordered 9 10ml vials: 7x16mgs and 2x24mgs.

Using an eGo-U battery, CE4 atomizer.

Felt like I was getting almost no nicotine from the 16mg one, so I filled up my other atomizer with one of the 24mg ones.

STILL have to use the thing constantly just to get the same amount of nicotine that a cigarette provides it seems.

Like at work on break, when I go out for a smoke, after 1 (regular smoke, 1.2mg of nicotine), one can really feel the nicotine in your system. And how many drags does one take from a cigarette? 15 maybe? (I've never actually counted).

It seems like I have to do about 2X that of constant vaping on 24mg to get that same feeling that a cigarette gives me.

Is this normal?

I'm looking for a strength that I can smoke like a cigarette: not constantly sucking on the thing breath after breath.

Should I switch up to 36mg? The site I order from only goes as high as 24mg, but I've seen 36mg liquids on other sites.

??

When starting out quitting cigarettes and switching to vaping, your body is going to have to get adjusted to the new levels that vaping will provide you with. Besides getting new gear that will give you a better vape, let me ask, how are you vaping? Are you taking the same draw/duration that you did with a cigarette? If so, then you need to try taking longer pulls, to create more vapor - like a 5 or 6 count, not a 2 or 3 count like you can with a cigarette (depending on how good your gear is - lower quality stuff might need to have as long as 10 seconds of a draw). I had to learn this when I started out, and it helped me stop chain vaping as much.

You're never going to get the same "hit" that you get from a cigarette, because of the heat and tar and other things going on with a cigarette - you also have to get used to the lesser impact of vaping, without feeling the rise in blood pressure, which is what you're likely talking about. Concentrate on the cravings - are they gone after vaping for a while? That's when you put it down. When smoking, reaching the end gives your head a visual cue when you're "done", vaping doesn't, and you have to get used to that, too. A lot of people - myself included - try to duplicate smoking with vaping, and it just isn't going to happen - it's just different to you right now, and you need more time to get adjusted. Be patient, it will happen.

It's also possible you need 36mg for a while, it's not unusual. And, many, many of us chain vaped constantly when we started - and still do at time. It's all about squashing those cravings, and learning to enjoy vaping, it can take a while to shake the cigarette and the habits you built up with it. I'll admit, I had a couple moments of doubt early on - but after 4 months now, I can't imagine going back, and am starting to forget what it was like to smoke.
 
Ahh, yes, and as some others mentioned... you were getting OTHER chemicals with your nicotine in regular analog cigarettes. Those other chemicals can be a bit addicting too. So, some of what you are "craving" may not only be a nicotine hit.

It took me 2 weeks to not "want" a cigarette at all after starting to vape.
Just keep telling yourself you can do it and hang in there. Also, check out about getting a better cartomizer than the CE4 to use if you can.
 

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My tips : don't think to much about quit smoking. The brain even more demanding if you say no. Just vape on and smoke if you want to. Its been two months since I vaping and now only a pack of cigarette a week compare to 2 pack a day before I vape. I'm still on the way to find my best flavor and setup. And who knows maybe someday I stop smoking cigarette without even realize it. Good luck.
 

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Even tho alot of people have been able to switch directly from smoking to vaping, leaving the ciggies behind, the other "alot" of people make it a transition, smoking and vaping to eventually do less smoking and more vaping as the time goes by. It has taken me several months to do this...( last 2 months I have been at 1 - 2 ciggies a day) Was a 2 PAD smoker, now a pack lasts me on avg, 2-3 weeks. As of lately, I dont even smoke the whole ciggie... maybe 1/3rd of it and I put it out. ( the taste is beginning to become unsavory).
 

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Good advice here from people who have experienced the transition. As you can see, bodies/minds adjust differently & ergo, require different methods. I also use the few cigs per day method & vape, but I smoke(d) "ultra light" analogs, so for ME, 24 mg, 18 mg & even 12 mg nicotine juice was and is way too strong for me. I use a 9mg nicotine, 50vg 50 pg ejuice that I mix myself (it is SO EASY). I experimented AS EVERYONE HERE, INCLUDING ME, recommends. Buy different hardware--step up to a mini-pro tank or other GLASS/Pyrex tank--it makes a WORLD of difference in the taste and hit of your vape. Secondly, try different ejuices, too, until you find one you ♥. It will NEVER be the same feeling as a drag on a cigarette since you are not putting all those other chemicals in your system via inhaling burnt tobacco.
There is a definite learning curve & transition period to the transition from full time smoking to full time vaping. Don't expect miracles, be patient with yourself, your body & mind...try different equipment (I can recommend DiscountVapers.com for hardware & the guy who owns it has all kinds of info to help you as well as reviews, great customer service & the best prices I have found + fast shipping--no commercial intended, just passing on info) & different juice mixtures. Most good ejuice vendors allow you to choose your vg to pg ratios, so try changing that to get a good throat hit, too--that MAY help you to make feel more like you are smoking.
Be patient!! Experiment--find what works for YOU! You may want to try both analogs & vaping at first, it will help boost your nicotine intake & you can limit how many you allot yourself each day. Gradually decrease the # of real cigs--you will notice how NASTY smoking tastes & feels comparing to the cool vapor and find it is much easier to resist the cigs!
Hope this helps
 

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STILL have to use the thing constantly just to get the same amount of nicotine that a cigarette provides it seems. I'm looking for a strength that I can smoke like a cigarette: not constantly sucking on the thing breath after breath. It seems like I have to do about 2X that of constant vaping on 24mg to get that same feeling that a cigarette gives me.
The eGo-U fires at 3.7 volts and the perfect ohms of the CE4 clearomizer is 1.8 ohms. Higher and you'll get a weak vape.
I began on 36 mg Juice and stepped it down to 30 mg after a couple of months. I found the CE4 to have a very tight draw- I prefer the airy draw clearomizer= more vape.
So either get a lower ohms clearo or a diff one or purchase 36 mg Nic. Last resort is to buy a variable voltage PV with which you can turn the voltage up higher than 3.7 volts.
When the first CE4 came out (very first clearomizer) I found I had to carefully file slots in the bottom ring to give a better draw.
 
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1 Don't beat yourself up over it. I didn't stop smoking the first day. In fact I spent the first 6 months vaping and smoking, sometimes one right after the other. There is no demand to stop smoking right this minute, if you need it, create a transition period where you're vaping as much as possible, but allow yourself that cigarette when you're just not feeling satisfied. Over time you'll begin to prefer the vaping.

2 Find a much better clearomizer and consider buying a Twist or Spinner battery. There are ways to increase the amount of vapor that you get in each puff. Take advantage of them.

3 This is most important. ECIGS ARE NOT TOBACCO!!

The amount of nicotine your body absorbs from ecigs is much lower than tobacco. Not only that, but the nicotine in an ecig absorbs in an entirely different way. With smoking you absorb a large portion of nicotine in the lungs. With ecigs almost all of the nicotine is absorbed in the mouth. Inhaling to the lungs satisfies the habit, but it does almost nothing for you in regards to nicotine. To increase the amount of nicotine you absorb in every puff, hold the vapor in your mouth for a couple of seconds before inhaling. Or, don't even inhale at all, you'll still get the nicotine.

The other part of that is what your body is used to getting vs what it wants as far as your nicotine addiction goes.

A good analogy is waves on the ocean. Your body has an "ideal" amount of nicotine that it wants for you to feel satisfied, think of this level as sea level. When you smoke you get a really fast and really high increase in nicotine, it's like a big wave rising up out of the sea. Due to all of the smoking restrictions you may have to go a couple of hours between cigarette breaks, and during this time you develop cravings. This is the trough between the waves where the water is lower than sea level.

With ecigs you don't get that fast spike of nicotine. The wave is much lower so you want to vape more often to keep from hitting deep troughs. The result is like ripples on a pond rather than big waves on the ocean. Much lower waves, much more shallow troughs, and less time between each one.

Start using your ecig that way rather than trying to duplicate smoking. Rather than waiting for a big break and chain vaping for 15 minutes straight, try to get in a few puffs every 10-15 minutes. 2-4 puffs at a time, held in the mouth before inhaling, about every 15 minutes apart should hold the cravings at bay and help you get used to not smoking.


And for the record, I was a PAD smoker. Been vaping almost a year, tobacco free for about 5 months now, and I still vape 3-3.5 ml of 24mg juice per day.
 
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good info here ..welcome to the ecf..and congrats on quitting..i would also offer my opinion in getting a better tank the kanger line is pretty good for starting out..easy to change the coils and they do perforn ok..i recently purchased a rta..rebuildable tank atomiser and im looking at lowering my nic level because it is performing so well dont worry you will find many new things on your journey...enjoy:vapor:
 

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Agree with all of the comments here even though I've only been vaping for about 5 weeks now. I was a 2 PAD smoker, started with 24mg juice and continued to smoke for a few weeks but immediately without even trying was down to 1 PAD. After several days that dropped to about half a pack and then I decided to try a day without any analogs. Been 3 weeks now vaping only and only once in a while do I think about smoking. Helped me to find a juice that to me tasted like a cig, Dekang Desert Ship is one of them, for that first thing in the morning vape.

Also agree that you have to dump the CE4 tank, it's junk. Spend a few bucks and but at least something like a Evod tank or a Protank Mini which are super easy to use and provide a great vape.

Hang in there, you'll get it!
 

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Thanks for all the GREAT replies everyone! I read them all!

Nope - vaping isn't smoking. Because it isn't the nicotine from vaping doesn't hit you over the head the way a cigarette does. It gets absorbed in your mouth more slowly - the same as that Nic-O-Gum.

So the nicotine in vaping doesn't get absorbed through your LUNGS the way cigarette nicotine does??

If you are trying to ramp your nic level up to get something like a cigarette buzz from a short vape you can make yourself sick chasing that.

That's why I was thinking of switching up to 36mg. So I can get it close to where one draw off a vape gives me about the same nicotine as a drag off a cigarette. The reasoning is, I'd like to go out on break at work with everyone else and just use my vaporizer, without having to suck on it constantly every breath.

That can be a problem when you are starting vaping/quitting smoking if you are restricted to limited vape breaks at work. This works best if you can pace your vaping out on a consistent basis.

Nah, I work in a factory and we can vape while we work :)

It sounds like your bigger problem right now is expecting vaping to be the same thing as smoking. It isn't. A lot of people new to vaping have to work up to vaping enough and on a consistent enough basis to deal with the cravings. Random vape breaks here and there throughout the day seldom work well when you are starting.

I was hoping that MORE mg's and LESS vaping would work, because each draw I take off the vape would give me more nicotine if I upped the nicotine content.

I would suggest trying some of the newer tanks that tend to give better vapor (am hearing a lot of positive about Nautilus these days, but I moved to a RBA with protank II as my backup at this point in time). Also, not sure what pg/vg mix you're getting. But I find something with more VG.. like a 50/50 or 30pg/70vg seemed to help.
There is also something to be said for a VV or VV/VW battery as well. I definitely found my Vision Spinner to be a help as well. One, it lasted longer than my eGo batteries, and I would get the voltage I set it for to the last puff.

I ordered an eGo Twist which should be here any time now, and I have a f16 clearomizer as well, but I like the small size of the Ego-U with CE4. If it's due to the fact the CE4 can't vaporize enough nicotine each drag from it, I think upping the nicotine % should do the trick.

ie: I can either take 20 drags (I hate using that term for vaping) off a 24mg solution to get my nicotine 'fix', or 12 drags using a 36mg solution.

If so, then you need to try taking longer pulls, to create more vapor - like a 5 or 6 count, not a 2 or 3 count like you can with a cigarette (depending on how good your gear is - lower quality stuff might need to have as long as 10 seconds of a draw). I had to learn this when I started out, and it helped me stop chain vaping as much.

Hehe, that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. I'm trying to STOP using it like someone hooked up to an oxygen mask system :) I'd like each vape to be more POTENT with nicotine so I don't have to vape as much.

Concentrate on the cravings - are they gone after vaping for a while? That's when you put it down.

That's a good point. While I'm vaping I'm often asking myself, ok, how would I feel about going for a cigarette. And a lot of the time it's like "I couldn't even think about going for a smoke right now as it would probably make me sick". Meaning, my body has enough nicotine flowing through it. I just want the nicotine from vaping to get in to me FASTER so I don't have to suck on the thing 50x in 2mins to feel it.

When smoking, reaching the end gives your head a visual cue when you're "done", vaping doesn't, and you have to get used to that, too.

Yah that's one thing I really have to get used to. My body is 'tricked' by the visual imagery of a cigarette down to it's but, that it says to itself "yep, you've got your fix". You don't get that with vaping.

It's also possible you need 36mg for a while, it's not unusual. And, many, many of us chain vaped constantly when we started - and still do at time. It's all about squashing those cravings, and learning to enjoy vaping, it can take a while to shake the cigarette and the habits you built up with it. I'll admit, I had a couple moments of doubt early on - but after 4 months now, I can't imagine going back, and am starting to forget what it was like to smoke.

Great reply - thanks! Yah I'll try and get some 36mg (even 48) to see if I can get it were just 5 or 6 vapes over a period of a minute or two gives me that "yep, there's the nicotine" feeling. Some people say 48mg is crazy, but I think they're comparing it to how they vape 16 or 24mg. I'd like something I can go out on break with, have a few drags off, and be done. Obviously on 36 or 48 I wouldn't be sucking on it the same as if it were 16 or 24mg.

Agree with all of the comments here even though I've only been vaping for about 5 weeks now. I was a 2 PAD smoker, started with 24mg juice and continued to smoke for a few weeks but immediately without even trying was down to 1 PAD.

Just wondering why everyone calls PACKS of cigarettes, PADS? At first I thought it was just at type-o, but it's happening on replies by different people.. ?? :)

After several days that dropped to about half a pack and then I decided to try a day without any analogs. Been 3 weeks now vaping only and only once in a while do I think about smoking.

It would be good to use to SUPPLEMENT my smoking, to get me to cut down, but the problem is I'm not a regular smoker. 'Been smoking out of habit for 25yrs, but have never smoked at home, or gone outside while at home, for a cigarette. It's only while I'm driving, or at work on break. Which is kind of why vaping got me scared - I think the nice taste and lack of smoke would cause me to start vaping at home, which would actually INCREASE my nicotine addiction (or at least give me a nicotine addiction, as I rarely ever crave a cigarette). But I do like to have that nicotine feeling when I'm driving, or outside at work with the guys on break.

I'll try some 36mg in my CE4 tank, with the Ego Twist and see how it goes. I'm trying to vape LESS to get that same nicotine, so using my clearomizer or using a stronger voltage and/or lower resistance coil, is kind of defeating the purpose. I just want to get a stronger 'hit' from each vape, so I don't have to vape as much.

THanks for all the great replies everyone!!
 

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I had no problem going to the CE4's from analogs..they are fine lil clearos for newbies or even experienced vapors..

like all else said, no matter what clearo or tank U use, U will never get that immediate cig nic buzz..it takes a lil time...I went from 30 years of 2 pack a day (PAD) camels to 18mg nic with a simple ego 1300a fixed batt and a cheap CE4 and had no problems or withdrawels..
 

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I'm going to let more experienced folks answer your other questions, but I can answer this one:

"Just wondering why everyone calls PACKS of cigarettes, PADS? At first I thought it was just at type-o, but it's happening on replies by different people.. ?? "

I think that means "pack a day." As in I smoked 2 PAD. And I sure did - that is until I started vaping.:)

Good luck to you, you can do this.
 
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