Have We Lost Our Flippin Minds..?

[cocoloco]

{Gigglesnort}

 

[DebiK]

I certainly never did the kind of research on cigarettes that I have on vaping. It's a whole new world with so many choices!

 

[Bernard Marx]

When I started smoking in the sixties there were so many people doing it that I just figured it was a part of what it means to be human, like driving 85 mph drunk without a seat belt, or going to war. Now that I realize that those things are incredibly dangerous I no longer accept them as positive behaviors. I guess all this bellybutton gazing is just part of the new 21st century perception. I'm sure Genghis Khan would find it very silly.

 

[CorallineAlgae]

I love everything in the original post. It's an awesome reality check and I generally agree with him. That said, this is a very new hobby and it's under threat. All of these concerns are taken seriously by a lot vapers and I think that's partly a good thing. I'd HATE to think that we would rely solely on government research to consider these issues. Better to let the community mull-over all of these concerns.

If we all went in to this hobby carelessly, the government would have actual reasons to over-regulate the industry for our "protection". Personally, I'd rather we show them that we are vaping because we take our health seriously. If our critics see that we are willing to review the risks, and make changes to avoid harmful practices ourselves, we'll be better for it.

A community of cautious vapers will do less harm to public perception than a careless community. That's just my take on it.

 

[crxess]

As to the Title
YES, and if anyone sees it please PM me for a return address.

As to the Content - Nope, I read and become informed. I then make informed decisions in comparison to my life style and current health......
Which in and of itself is plenty confusing.

I'm 60, only 5'6" and down to 120lbs. Yet I can still give my kids and grand kids a run for their money, work 12 hr days and my BP is a whopping 100/68.

I also never have and never will attempt to live in a Bacteria/germ free environment - BAD for the immune system.

Live Long
Vape Happy
Take time to enjoy life!

 

[NC_Fog]

I get a tickle when folks talk about boiling their cotton wicks. Funny...I don't ever remember ever boiling my cigarettes. No offense anyone...

 

[CorallineAlgae]

I get a tickle when folks talk about boiling their cotton wicks. Funny...I don't ever remember ever boiling my cigarettes. No offense anyone...

Cigarette papers and filters are sterilized and/or chemically treated at the factories. They're researched, designed, regulated and packaged to be burned. Not so with your bag of cotton balls.

 

[440BB]

I believe there are studies showing that you are safer wearing the worn out Van Halen tshirt than 10 Abba tshirts.

 

[K_Tech]

There's a line between justified concern and crippling paranoia, and some people skip gleefully over that line into Crazyland.

If you're checking for Kayser-Fleischer rings after every time you vape your copper mod, you should probably go talk to someone.

 

[AndriaD]

I'm with you on this one. Just because we've kicked one very unhealthy habit doesn't mean we should stop applying at least some thought to further health hazard reduction.

Worry? Angst? No need for that. Giving it some thought? Why not?

While I am convinced inhaling vaporized PG/VG and nicotine is a lot less unhealthy than smoking cigarettes, I am not convinced that any way you go about it, or any additive in your e-liquid, is necessarily completely without relative risk. I may very well be silly for doing so, but I much prefer knowing my e-liquids are mostly stored in glass bottles, and vaporized in food grade / surgical grade stainless steel / pyrex atties. If nothing else, it gives me peace of mind. Angst reduction --> health improvement. That's as good a reason as any, imho.

How can you not appreciate the research into what additives in e-liquid may not be good for us? Would you not like to see a definite study on which wicking materials may or may not give off nasties? Or get some data on whether or not brass/copper atties really are good/bad for you? Or whether or not we inhale bisphenols from polycarbonate plastics in certain atties?

I personally worry a little about Diacetyl and Bisphenol. My solution is to vape liquids without Diacetyl, and avoid atties made of polycarbonate. Am I right? No idea! But it gives me peace of mind to not use those while waiting for definite answers.

Absolutely true. I started out vaping at about 85%PG/15%VG, because VG makes me feel I've got a hairball in my chest I can't get rid of. Recently however I've been seeing some unpleasant side effects of too much PG over a period of time: swollen feet and ankles. Sounds kinda petty, but it kinda hurts, and it's worrisome, even when you're pretty sure you know what's causing it -- dehydration from all that PG. So I'm starting to gradually come down on the PG and increase the VG; I have to do it gradually because of the hairball sensation; right now I'm at 67%PG/33%VG, and I have maybe 3/4 liter of that mixed up that I'm still working on. When it's gone, I'm going to aim at 60%PG/40%VG and see how that does, stay at that level for a while. Eventually I'd like to get to about 50/50 but I do have to do it gradually, or that feeling in my chest is just awful; I have to get my body used to it.

I'm also (horrors!) trying to go a bit lighter on the vaping; after 90 days smoke-free, it's not the MUST VAPE MY FACE OFF RIGHT NOW! situation that it was at first, so I'm just trying to take it a bit easier, to give the ol bod a break. Because yeah, of course this is better than smoking, probably damn near anything would be, but it's harm REDUCTION, not harm REMOVAL, and I think it would be wise for all of us to keep that in mind.

Andria

 

[Kracker]

I've never been overly concerned about the effects of the vape itself, but I must confess to currently being on the "OMG, my battery's gonna blow" train. I enjoyed vaping much more when I was oblivious to the battery dangers....LOL Now, I find myself hypersensitive to any perceived changes in battery temp. It's amazing what you can convince yourself of.

I know right ? Since my switch got hot on me on my Chi clone I won't use it and now I'm putting my mech up to my face all the time to see if it's warm, LoL

 

[daviedog]

More thoughtful observations above than the FDA sanctions looming down the line..

 

[raspberryblu]

There's a line between justified concern and crippling paranoia, and some people skip gleefully over that line into Crazyland.

If you're checking for Kayser-Fleischer rings after every time you vape your copper mod, you should probably go talk to someone.

HAHAHA Thank you for this, you just gave me a good laugh...... I've found myself trying to stay on the sane side of things when I *think* that I have a battery issue.

 

[crxess]

Cigarette papers and filters are sterilized and/or chemically treated at the factories. They're researched, designed, regulated and packaged to be burned. Not so with your bag of cotton balls.

Not a Problem.
I do not burn my Cotton Balls, tennis Balls, Meat Balls or any other Balls..........so, I'm safe.

 

[bluecat]

Easy answer? We are told by "insert favorite lobbying group here" smoking will kill us. So let's give up this smoking that will kill for something new, untried. Ahhh let's try a personal vaporizer. The noob then asks what's in it? He gets 50 different opinions and then another 100 that argues with that opinion. In the noobs mind he is thinking okay should I give up this smokign that will kill me maybe around 70 years old.. 80 years old or ? for a vaporizer... well will the cotton kill me? will the e liquid kill me? if I touch the pure nicotine will it kill me.

The new person is really only wanting to know... why give up smoking to vape if it will kill me too. Fear of the unknown.

 

[CorallineAlgae]

Not a Problem.
I do not burn my Cotton Balls, tennis Balls, Meat Balls or any other Balls..........so, I'm safe.

You're right. Not burning the cotton is great but we're still vaporizing the liquid that's soaked in the cotton and inhaling it. I doubt there's much, if any, risk but we aren't sure about it yet. Taking precautions by boiling it in distilled water may do nothing but we aren't sure about that yet either. Sensible precautions aren't that crazy but some people definitely take it too far.

 

[juggalofisher88]

Oh wow what an eye opener. That is weird when I was smoking people would be like that's gonna kill you you know how many chemicals and toxins your breathing.. I would be like F it gonna die someday anyway. Then I would argue about how much more toxins we breathe in from fossils fuel plants, cars, radiation from nuclear leaks explosions and so on and so forth... mind you I still complain about those....

But the OP post does get ya thinking... I guess it's a side effect of vaping lol j/k

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Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.

Andria

^^^^ love this quote George Carlin? Greatest comedian ever


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[Jake67]

When we smoked cigs we knew for sure they were bad. With vaping one of the reasons is a healthier safer alternative. When I go to the auto parts store and buy a hybrid part for my car if it doesn't work they take it back. Try that with B&M shop. I have what a sh-t show. If you broke a pack of cigs or in my case a cigar I just went 30 feet and could replace them. I'm not into going to work with all the equipment we need to fix so we can have that safety blanket we call vaping.
Maybe we just traded off one dependency for another.




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[AndriaD]

Oh wow what an eye opener. That is weird when I was smoking people would be like that's gonna kill you you know how many chemicals and toxins your breathing.. I would be like F it gonna die someday anyway. Then I would argue about how much more toxins we breathe in from fossils fuel plants, cars, radiation from nuclear leaks explosions and so on and so forth... mind you I still complain about those....

But the OP post does get ya thinking... I guess it's a side effect of vaping lol j/k



^^^^ love this quote George Carlin? Greatest comedian ever

I really don't know where it comes from... the lady at my husband's work who does their newsletter has a goofy sense of humor, and she included this line in one of her epistles. I thought it was great, and it's easy to remember!

We were out shopping earlier, and I tell ya, with a nose NOT full of cigarette smoke, parking lots are hell, really; car exhaust is surely what the devil's farts smell like. And don't even get me started on DIESEL! My New and Improved! sense of smell is the one disadvantage I've found to quitting smoking; I already had a nose like a beagle's, now it's more like a bloodhound's.

Andria

 

[K_Tech]

We were out shopping earlier, and I tell ya, with a nose NOT full of cigarette smoke, parking lots are hell, really; car exhaust is surely what the devil's farts smell like. And don't even get me started on DIESEL! My New and Improved! sense of smell is the one disadvantage I've found to quitting smoking; I already had a nose like a beagle's, now it's more like a bloodhound's.
Andria

Lol. Wait til you hit a flea market on a hot day. I go to one locally quite often because they have the best prices on fruits and vegetables anywhere.

Talk about "unwashed masses".