Have you ever encountered this brand of "anti-smoker"?
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Id get that son in I.T to set you up with a hot travel site and you might be back in business
probably not,,,,,,,,apartments don't often work with TA's,,,,,,see my problem?????the industry used to be AWESOME,,,,,,,,then came the internet and it was ALLLL OVER.
Id get that son in I.T to set you up with a hot travel site and you might be back in business
LOL, good idea,,,,,,,right now I just tell him that later in my golden years he's going to support me in the style to which I'd LIKE to become accustomed
I was going to go into Xray technology, but I have a nasty form of arthritis that affects the spine and causes bone to grow where it shouldn't, encasing the vertebra in bone,,,in essence, they grow together,,,(Ankylosing Spondylitis),,,,and since I can't lift 50 lbs, that's out,,,,,,,so,,now I just vape, troll the boards, and keep the hubby happy
Really? Then you don't use gas engine vehicles that cause toxic, carcinogenic exhaust pollution people have to breathe or use insecticides that can get into ground water or mow your lawn when someone may be sleeping for their third-shift job or wear cologne that could exacerbate an allergy or talk on your cell phone in public or put up holiday decorations across the street from your atheist neighbors or burn campfires/a fireplace/grill that produces toxic, carcinogenic smoke that can waft into your neighbor's yard and home, etc., either? Because all of those things can invade other people's personal spaces, potentially cause harm or offend them in some way, as well.
That line was invented by ANTZ to vilify smokers and smokers alone, because it doesn't apply to a LOT of things. In reality, "rights" overlap all of the time and there is no "right not to see or smell someone's e-cigarette vapor" that I am aware of. He should just stop because it "bothered" her? Well maybe she should have stopped the fake coughing because her noise was bothering him?
There is a big difference between "rights" and "common courtesy."
And let's remember that people in their 60's and 70's were young adults during in the drug and sex-filled 60's and 70's. These aren't exactly Victorian grandmothers with delicate sensibilites. And if they are in their 80's, they grew up with over 50% of the population smoking EVERYWHERE, LOL!
I'm not saying go into private property and obnoxiously ignore the wishes of the owners or management, but he was outdoors, for Pete's sake.
Can you book me an apartment in Tuscany?
I was hoping that was a seinfeld clip! Classic!
Really? Then you don't use gas engine vehicles that cause toxic, carcinogenic exhaust pollution people have to breathe or use insecticides that can get into ground water or mow your lawn when someone may be sleeping for their third-shift job or wear cologne that could exacerbate an allergy or talk on your cell phone in public or put up holiday decorations across the street from your atheist neighbors or burn campfires/a fireplace/grill that produces toxic, carcinogenic smoke that can waft into your neighbor's yard and home, etc., either? Because all of those things can invade other people's personal spaces, potentially cause harm or offend them in some way, as well.
That line was invented by ANTZ to vilify smokers and smokers alone, because it doesn't apply to a LOT of things. In reality, "rights" overlap all of the time and there is no "right not to see or smell someone's e-cigarette vapor" that I am aware of. He should just stop because it "bothered" her? Well maybe she should have stopped the fake coughing because her noise was bothering him?
There is a big difference between "rights" and "common courtesy."
And let's remember that people in their 60's and 70's were young adults during in the drug and sex-filled 60's and 70's. These aren't exactly Victorian grandmothers with delicate sensibilites. And if they are in their 80's, they grew up with over 50% of the population smoking EVERYWHERE, LOL!
I'm not saying go into private property and obnoxiously ignore the wishes of the owners or management, but he was outdoors, for Pete's sake.
I think you know exactly what I'm talking about. It's called respect. Mutually given and received. There is no agenda behind it.
I think the respect part comes in when you explain to them that you arent using a cigarette but an electronic vaporizer.Ive been commended by a lot of people for having the courage to try something thats relatively new (to them at least) to get off analogs.Sometimes that all it takes to for them to get over 50+ years of misconceptions and hatred popularized by society and the media.
While Im no longer a smoker, I agree with Kristin.The problem with doing studies that have to do with air (ie second hand smoke) almost all of the studies done fail to take into account the other variables she's mentioned to any great degree. Its all IMO wrongly attributed to smokers and unfortunately part of our job leading the charge so to speak is to educate those around us.
While Im no longer a smoker, I agree with Kristin.The problem with doing studies that have to do with air (ie second hand smoke) almost all of the studies done fail to take into account the other variables she's mentioned to any great degree. Its all IMO wrongly attributed to smokers and unfortunately part of our job leading the charge so to speak is to educate those around us.
What are we talking about? The vape from our PV's, or campfire smoke? Christmas lights? Cell phones in public? Cologne? I thought we were talking about vaping. I'm done with this thread, but the last thing I will say is it's all about respect. Do to others as you would have them do to you. If that doesn't make sense, I have nothing else to say.
Rocketpunk, I don't know what you mean about "agenda," but you used that ANTZ quote and I couldn't just let that go.
Besides, he was not disrespecting her by quietly enjoying his e-cigarette outside. However, she was being quite obnoxious with her fake coughing and then hitting him. I don't care how old she is - it was rude and uncalled for. If he was actually smoking a cigarette, I might be more sympathetic. Although, most people who do the coughing thing when they smell cigarette smoke outside just don't like the smell or enjoy the mini power trip of controlling other people - it has nothing to do with any real health risks from a whiff of smoke outdoors. Anyone who actually reacts severely to smoke would just move away as quickly as possible, not sit there coughing indignantly and risking death.
Besides, he was not disrespecting her by quietly enjoying his e-cigarette outside. However, she was being quite obnoxious with her fake coughing and then hitting him. I don't care how old she is - it was rude and uncalled for. If he was actually smoking a cigarette, I might be more sympathetic. Although, most people who do the coughing thing when they smell cigarette smoke outside just don't like the smell or enjoy the mini power trip of controlling other people - it has nothing to do with any real health risks from a whiff of smoke outdoors. Anyone who actually reacts severely to smoke would just move away as quickly as possible, not sit there coughing indignantly and risking death.
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I tend to agree to a point. I wouldn't smoke or vape that close to someone else. So far everyone has told me to vape away they don't care in their houses, in a closed car with them, whatever and these are ALL anti smokers. In fact my sister has a sign hanging in her house that says if you are smoking in my house you better be on fire and she is perfectly fine with me vaping in her house. BUT I would never even consider just vaping without asking 1st, same way as I wouldn't have lit up by a stranger without permission. HOWEVER I do find the fake cough funny and a bit ridiculous on her part but that's just me. BUT with that said, it might be my imagination because everyone else tells me that they can't smell anything at all but I can smell it and some scents STINK really bad, like the Vape Dudes Classic Tobacco makes me gag, it stinks REALLY bad like a cheap cigar. GROSS!! But I love the smell of my Mocha Java from Vape Dudes, makes my mouth water... lol I have an extremely strong sense of smell though. It was bad enough when I was smoking but it's MUCH worse now; Sometimes it's cool, sometimes not so much.
Actually, I can't really blame her reaction. She could maybe have asked you to not "smoke" near her, but she was trying to communicate this by her behavior. There was no way someone such as she could have known what you had was not a cigarette or smoke. There are people who are genuinely allergic to cigarette smoke. I consider what you did as being rather rude. No way would I have been so inconsiderate to stranger. Even if it wasn't smoke, some flavors' vapor can have an odor and can be offensive to others.
Not very funny to me.
I vape out in public myself. But I do it discreetly and am always mindful to not possibly offend anyone near me.
If I had been in your shoes (first of all I would not have been vaping so close to a stranger) and she started her act, I would have said do you realize that this is an electronic cigarette and that it is not smoke but actually water vapor. I would then ask her would she mind if I continued. If not, I would have moved.
There are two types of ex-smokers/vapers in my opinion (IN MY OPINION): the vapers who just love to vape, are respectful individuals, who respect smoking laws, respect other people, who know when "making a stand!" is pointless and cause a scene.
And then there are vapers who are forceful, who bully old women (he could've tried to extend a hand and explain what he was doing to her -- whether or not she would accept that isn't up to him, but at least he could've tried, as I would have done) and who think "I'll do what I want!"
A lot of these ANTZ people must have had some really bad experiences to make them so volatile. I've had very, very few people look down on me. Possibly because I don't mind explaining what I'm doing to confused individuals, and because I don't instantly take a militant stance against them and roar, "ANTZ!"
And then there are vapers who are forceful, who bully old women (he could've tried to extend a hand and explain what he was doing to her -- whether or not she would accept that isn't up to him, but at least he could've tried, as I would have done) and who think "I'll do what I want!"
A lot of these ANTZ people must have had some really bad experiences to make them so volatile. I've had very, very few people look down on me. Possibly because I don't mind explaining what I'm doing to confused individuals, and because I don't instantly take a militant stance against them and roar, "ANTZ!"
You make good points but I think a lot of us are rather miffed that we are supposed to ignore someone else's rudeness and bad behavior and those who take a militant stance against others no matter the offense.
I dont think we need to be rude to other people at all and this woman was clearly being rude and disrespectful. She too had a role to play in her own drama. That is - she took a seat next to someone already engaged in legal behavior and then, instead of politely asking this person to stop, she proceeded to cause a scean worthy of Greta Garbo. And I am sure she was mightily offended that someone was not going to play her game with her. Her game was control. Not politeness or confusion or curiosity. I dont believe in an eye for an eye and the OP could have handled himself with more class and maturity. but it seems to me this woman and the op were well matched in their equal misbehavior.
I've been a server for years and years. The best way to quell rudeness? Kill 'em with kindness. I know, it's a bizarre idea, but a lot of my veteran server friends know how to work it. It's a syrupy sweet attitude. It might make them (the table/customers) ashamed of their behavior, it might not. We're prepared for both. But in the end, the secret gratification we're taking from you is the fact that we worked you. We did. We made you think for a second. And that's all that counts.
EDIT: bad grammer on my part, goodnight (aw, man, am I gonna get penalized again?!) :-(
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