Have you fixed a juice you didn't like?
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I use tfa promegranate @ 1% or less in a watermelon frost flavor I mix. And about that much in a blueberry frost recipe.
So I can only imagine how concentrated FA's is. Maybe used in drops only?
So I can only imagine how concentrated FA's is. Maybe used in drops only?
OK, so I had mixed up a 60ML bottle of a Fruit DIY that the paper was for 30ML I had doubled the PG/VG/Nic but got a phone call and when I added the flavors I did not double them and realized it too late to have room in the bottle. So I let it age and infuse but when I tried it there was just not enough flavor. So I vaped a few ML's to make room for the flavors and had to fix it. So yes I finally fixed one but was just upping the flavors.
Yes; FA is generally considered to be one of the more highly concentrated manufacturers. I see frequent suggestions to start new testing in the 2-4% ballpark. Of course every manufacturer has their exceptions (some higher; while others are even lower). And then there is the additional factor of everyone's individual palate.
A recipe site we are not allowed to link (or name) shows this info:
Looking at this; I would be inclined to start at maybe 2% and see where it goes.
Another useful tip for concentrations that are particularly strong: When concentrates are super strong, they can be difficult to measure out in very small quantities, so some find it easier/more helpful to pre-dilute them. Take 10% of your flavor concentrate and add it to 90% PG (or carrier of your choice); then use that diluted mixture as your new concentrate. Now, the same volume that used to be 2.5% flavor is only 0.25% making it much easier to mix small testers without having to worry about getting "one too many drops" and blowing out your palate.
@IDJoel, Is it wise to look on the other site for the average use and then make your recipe based on that? For example, I just mixed the following recipe based only on averages. I have yet to taste it
TFA dulce de leche 2%
Hangsen Ice Cream 3%
Cap pink lemonade 5%
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TFA dulce de leche 2%
Hangsen Ice Cream 3%
Cap pink lemonade 5%
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Also, does 4.5% seem excessive for koolada? I was surprised to see it's used so high
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I wish I had a simple yes/no answer to that. All I can say is.... get ready for it.... it kinda depends (shocked?
). You have to do a bit of reading between the lines. The left column ("Percentages in Recipes") is based on the total recipes in the database on that site, and the right column ("Single Flavor Recommendations") is based only on those DIYers on that site that indicated a single flavor preference.In the case of my previous screenshot; there are 1548 recipes on that site that call for TFA Pomegranate. Only 11 people offered a single flavor preference. So the pools, especially the single flavor pool, are rather small and therefore easy to be skewed by the odd duck that likes to use a particular flavor at 40%.
I try to factor that, along with reading any flavor notes that follow underneath the averages,and try to make a "better informed guess." Generally I prefer to start on the low end of things and work up from there.
Also, I will use the search function, and look up specific flavors here on ECF, VU, and even Reddit, and read what users have to say. Certain suppliers, like Bull City Flavors and Ecig Express, that allow users to leave reviews/comments for specific flavors can also be helpful. The more sources, the more opinions I can find, the better overall feel I think I can glean about a given concentrate.
It the beginning it can be a real crap shoot until you learn what posters, reviewers, forum members, have the same/similar palate to your own; those are the real diamonds to find. I have learned to include notes every time I add a new flavor or recipe to my wish list.
Now, when choosing a new flavor or recipe, I record who suggested it, and a link to the specific conversation/site. That way I can start to gauge whether we share similar palates. If I don't; that's OK. I appreciate their opinion, and especially their taking their time to share it, and chalk it up to "our palates are just not the same." If I do like their flavor recommendations/recipes; WINNER! After several wins I will start to give that person's opinion more weight as I make my own choices on what flavors to choose, what percentages I may want to start with, and what recipes I may like to try.
Sorry. I didn't mean to write another novel.
Anyhow that is how I go about deciding where to start. My way is just one way and I am sure others will share their own methods for how they go about deciding on starting percentages. I hope you consider them all. To me it does (others may have different feelings). I currently have 26 recipes calling for Koolada and none use more than 2% (only 2), another two call for 1.5%, and the remaining 22 are 1% or less. But again, please remember, that is just me. That site has a couple of folks that like it at 4-5% and even one who says they like it at 15%.
4.5% won't kill you. Try a small batch and see. Who knows; you may like it that strong. A recurring theme I saw in the notes was: "2% for cool, 4% for cold , 6% for icy." So I guess it also depends on what effect you are shooting for.
I should also clarify that I am speaking about TFA Koolada which is a 10% dilution of Methyl Menthyl Acetate. I have seen both higher and lower offerings of this from other manufacturers so that will have an affect on the amount you want to use as well.
I hope that helps.
I am still working on getting to the point of making something thats actually worth fixing . Coming up with something that is good enough to potentially fix would be a milestone for me.
I wish I had a simple yes/no answer to that. All I can say is.... get ready for it.... it kinda depends (shocked?
In the case of my previous screenshot; there are 1548 recipes on that site that call for TFA Pomegranate. Only 11 people offered a single flavor preference. So the pools, especially the single flavor pool, are rather small and therefore easy to be skewed by the odd duck that likes to use a particular flavor at 40%.
I try to factor that, along with reading any flavor notes that follow underneath the averages,and try to make a "better informed guess." Generally I prefer to start on the low end of things and work up from there.
Also, I will use the search function, and look up specific flavors here on ECF, VU, and even Reddit, and read what users have to say. Certain suppliers, like Bull City Flavors and Ecig Express, that allow users to leave reviews/comments for specific flavors can also be helpful. The more sources, the more opinions I can find, the better overall feel I think I can glean about a given concentrate.
It the beginning it can be a real crap shoot until you learn what posters, reviewers, forum members, have the same/similar palate to your own; those are the real diamonds to find. I have learned to include notes every time I add a new flavor or recipe to my wish list.
Now, when choosing a new flavor or recipe, I record who suggested it, and a link to the specific conversation/site. That way I can start to gauge whether we share similar palates. If I don't; that's OK. I appreciate their opinion, and especially their taking their time to share it, and chalk it up to "our palates are just not the same." If I do like their flavor recommendations/recipes; WINNER! After several wins I will start to give that person's opinion more weight as I make my own choices on what flavors to choose, what percentages I may want to start with, and what recipes I may like to try.
Sorry. I didn't mean to write another novel.
To me it does (others may have different feelings). I currently have 26 recipes calling for Koolada and none use more than 2% (only 2), another two call for 1.5%, and the remaining 22 are 1% or less. But again, please remember, that is just me. That site has a couple of folks that like it at 4-5% and even one who says they like it at 15%.
4.5% won't kill you. Try a small batch and see. Who knows; you may like it that strong. A recurring theme I saw in the notes was: "2% for cool, 4% for cold , 6% for icy." So I guess it also depends on what effect you are shooting for.
I should also clarify that I am speaking about TFA Koolada which is a 10% dilution of Methyl Menthyl Acetate. I have seen both higher and lower offerings of this from other manufacturers so that will have an affect on the amount you want to use as well.
I hope that helps.
Yes, that's very helpful. Btw, I enjoy your lengthy replies. It's obvious you put a lot of thought and research into your answer, which I greatly appreciate!
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