Health Care Reform Bill VOTE NO!!!!

[DaMulta]

yea whatever....that's why ps3 was selling for a couple of grand, and Nintendo wii was selling for hundreds more over the price of them in the stores on ebay. A simple example.

Taxation is an issue of supply and demand, because everyone wants money. Take it away from people, and it's worth more.

 

[tannerk]

yea whatever....that's why ps3 was selling for a couple of grand, and Nintendo wii was selling for hundreds more over the price of them in the stores on ebay. A simple example.

Taxation is an issue of supply and demand, because everyone wants money. Take it away from people, and it's worth more.

You should know that this place is for grownups. Isn't there some loony toons website you can go to?

 

[DaMulta]

Whatever you just can't see the whole picture, and refuse to do so. I do come from a family with plenty of money, and do have talks about money all the time.

It's simple print more money like we are doing causes inflation because there is more money in the system.

Take money away in the forum of taxes, and money goes up in value.


Universal healthcare can be paid for, and so can a lot of other things. Money management with our government needs to be overhauled.


It's crazy to have to pay for a family of 4 300 dollars a month for insurance. Then if you want insurance, and you have something wrong with you that you will be denied coverage. It's crazy that there is no system for people to have preventable heathcare offered by the goverment in our country for everyone that lives here.

Just think about all the people in prison that would not be there if they had the right kind of medication in the first place? How much money would we be saving if those people were not locked up, and working instead of taking tax payers money?

Now you can get help in the US if you are on your death bed, but how much does that cost us in the end for major surgeries? What if they had preventable heathcare to stop those major surgeries instead of waiting till they were on their deathbed?

 

[BARENETTED]

I am beginning to think I now understand why some here are so adament about pushing this healthcare reform down the rest of our throats. They really need it bad since they appear to be deaf, dumb and blind.

 

[drdave]

I think I would vote for it just because so many people are against it. I hate to play the conspiracy theory but it sounds like a plan from big pharma to kill this thing. Our current medical system is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE and is going to bankrupt us all. If we got to so something why not try this. Of course the argument could be made that our own government can't even run a brothel but who knows.

 

[DaMulta]

I am beginning to think I now understand why some here are so adament about pushing this healthcare reform down the rest of our throats. They really need it bad since they appear to be deaf, dumb and blind.

What about the ones that are pushing it away from us? I hear that more than pushing it in. People that do not want it are very more angry about not having it at all. Most of these people also don't have any problems, and can afford healthcare themselves.


Why are we the ONLY ONES That are industrialized country that does not have universal heath care? I've always thought that the US is the best country in the world.....is that not the case anymore?

People with money get taken care of.

While people without money get stomped on.

Sounds like a great place to live in, and that's my country. Try paying your morgage/ car payments/ Electric / Water / Food / Clothing, and then pay for your crazy high heath insurance on top it all. When 20% of Americans make less than 20k a year. It's almost imposable to do, and live a good life with insurance rates a month more than their other monthly bills. That's why a lot of Americans. Then to get sick miss a payment, and dropped then no way to regain insurance for yourself bankrupting all your life savings.

 

[dawghouse]

Wow...just reading this thread is like listening to a pro-choice / pro-life debate. Here's a thought that shouldn't be controversial to anyone:

I doubt anyone wants to trust such an item to either the democrats or the republicans on capitol hill, so let's put it in the hands of the people who aren't in the pocket of any special interest group.

Break the bill down item by item. Have the wording simplified to the 3rd grade level (I know many teachers who can do this.) Mail the package to every household the same way we do the census and also post it online. Then allow the public to ask questions to clarify any item. Then allow the public to vote up or down any item in the bill. Tally up the responses.

Now is this perfect...no cause I'm sure we'll have people say that we'll have voting irregularities, yadda yadda yadda. However I think this gives us the best chance of the most people understanding such a major change in our lives.

Let the people choose and not our supposed representatives who don't represent us. We all know that the folks in congress make choices based on getting re-elected, and that usually translates into getting the money to outspend their opponents. Congress is a sesspool of money and special interests, and frankly I for one don't want my healthcare, or that of my children dictated by the deep pockets of special interests.

It's We The People, not We The Lemmings. And please don't assume the healthcare professionals or insurance companies are corrupt. Yes the costs have gone up significantly. My health insurance has gone way up, and when I look at the statements I grasp my chest, but I don't have full visibility into all the costs associated with providing my healthcare. Does anyone scream about companies making MRI machines prices going up 3 times the rate of inflation - no cause we want the best in technology. Does anyone scream about malpractice insurance rates skyrocketing - no, it's just easier to blame the greedy doctors. Everyone seems to want to point fingers when we really don't understand where the problems truly reside. We need reform...no doubt. But let's understand that what we're enacting is really going to make things better for everyone before We The People agree or disagree. I'm sorry, but I cannot and will not accept that politicians understand anything more than what's good for them.

That's my 2 cents.

 

[Kate51]

Whatever you just can't see the whole picture, and refuse to do so. I do come from a family with plenty of money, and do have talks about money all the time.

It's simple print more money like we are doing causes inflation because there is more money in the system.

Take money away in the forum of taxes, and money goes up in value.


Universal healthcare can be paid for, and so can a lot of other things. Money management with our government needs to be overhauled.


It's crazy to have to pay for a family of 4 300 dollars a month for insurance. Then if you want insurance, and you have something wrong with you that you will be denied coverage. It's crazy that there is no system for people to have preventable heathcare offered by the goverment in our country for everyone that lives here.

Just think about all the people in prison that would not be there if they had the right kind of medication in the first place? How much money would we be saving if those people were not locked up, and working instead of taking tax payers money?

Now you can get help in the US if you are on your death bed, but how much does that cost us in the end for major surgeries? What if they had preventable heathcare to stop those major surgeries instead of waiting till they were on their deathbed?

DaMulta, Last two weeks, anyone who has money invested in the financials took a direct hit because of the Fed bank.
Our Govm't sold bonds, to "sell" the bad debt"(printed money) we've built. 47% of the Bonds were sold on the market to investors as long term investment: 10 days later(long-term?) the Federal Bank bought them back from investors, with "real money"? Not exactly. That "printed money" is now going to be added to the National debt, with Permission of Congress which "raised the debt ceiling", the Feds now own that printed stuff which is now covered by the raised debt ceiling, which of course now will be paid off by Tax revenue, which hasn't been raised yet. This SHILL GAME is played all the time by our Govm't to "limit" the chance of Hyper-inflation. The Govm't actually makes more money when there is inflation, because the debt ceiling is covered by us, the taxpayers. It all looks fantastic on the balance sheet, but it's all a shill, it's not real. We don't practice out private books balanced like that, at least not for very long, unless you have a really large amount of Family Wealth to pad up your balance sheet. Now we're going to be spending another two or three TRILLION dollars to "fix" health care"...that's just BS. This debt is so out of touch with reality even you seem to think a 90% tax rate is ok. That's just craziness. You can throw your money away if you want, but I'd rather keep my bills paid, thank you very much. All I can say is watch what the heck you're in favor of here.

 

[tannerk]

YouTube - MEP Daniel Hannan with Sean Hannity on Fox News about health care in Great Britain

 

[Rogue X2 v2]

^ FYI, Kate51, you can make money going both ways.

Buy Puts, sell short, etc.

 

[DaMulta]

YouTube - Australian perspective on US Health Care System Part 1

 

[paise]

Find me insurance for a type 1 diabetic. Right now we pay 1.5k a month for Cobra. It expires in Feb.

Meow: You are lucky to find anything that covers Type I diabetic. My DH has been juvenile diabetic since he was 3-4yrs old. He's 45yo now. For the last 16-17 years I have been trying to find an insurance company that will take 1 or both of us (I have pre-existing conditions that are chronic & ultimately life-threatening, well actually more than life-threatening.. Eventually it will either kill me or be consequential in the reason my body stops working sooner than it would otherwise) and there is nothing out there. Insurance companies who call or ones I call, as a general rule, hang up on me once we get to the pre-existing conditions part.

Private insurance hates anyone that might require their services actually pay out something for the premiums one would pay into the company. That's just my experience and the same is true for all other diabetics and those with autoimmune diseases and other conditions that will ultimately end one's life prematurely than if the person was 100% healthy. Besides, it isn't as if we asked for any of this nor did we cause it to be brought upon us. It simply is and there isn't a darn thing we can do except seek treatment for it though the problem there is that nobody can afford to seek treatment without some kind of help because anything medical is only affordable by the rich or someone with a darn good insurance program; however, the problem then becomes more complicated since the moment the insurance co can't take your money without paying out in what they promised to cover, they kick you from the program leaving you without mercy despite years of regular payments into the insurance system.

 

[Dilutetrips]

The way our health care is now works great if you are not sick. If you need insurance it is hard to get. my wife has medical needs and even with insurance we spend 300 to 400 out of pocket a month. I am in debt because of medical. I am so sick of people who want to make money off of sickness. the medical field should not be for money. Something does need to be done. I think that since we are the only major country that does not have medical for all maybe it is time we do. Is the goverment getting involved scary? Well maybe but what scares the s out of me is knowing that if I lost my job and had no insurance I would be homeless and food less just so my wife can get the meds she needs.

 

[Duckies]

I am beginning to think I now understand why some here are so adament about pushing this healthcare reform down the rest of our throats. They really need it bad since they appear to be deaf, dumb and blind.

And then there are those of us with masters (and other advanced) degrees that can see through the propaganda and realize that covering everyone will actually save money.

My only concern is that Big Pharma and the Insurance Companies have a seat at the table. Lessons from Harry & Louise, but bad for the citizenry.

You will have to forgive me for my lack of loyalty/trust in the administration. I prefer the fist-shaking populist approach like Dr. Howard Dean takes to this topic.

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[Duckies]

The way our health care is now works great if you are not sick. If you need insurance it is hard to get. my wife has medical needs and even with insurance we spend 300 to 400 out of pocket a month. I am in debt because of medical. I am so sick of people who want to make money off of sickness. the medical field should not be for money. Something does need to be done. I think that since we are the only major country that does not have medical for all maybe it is time we do. Is the goverment getting involved scary? Well maybe but what scares the s out of me is knowing that if I lost my job and had no insurance I would be homeless and food less just so my wife can get the meds she needs.

Yep!

Funny that, someone robs a liquor store, they get 3 hots, a cot and unlimited medical, but the unemployed (and those with preexisting conditions) are kicked to the curb. And people here (not all, but many) are defending this because of scare tactics.

Healthcare reform is the Fox news' "terrist" rally cry of 2009.

 

[Kate51]

^ FYI, Kate51, you can make money going both ways.

Buy Puts, sell short, etc.

You're not going to pull your money out of a fund for any reason. Some people rode it all the way to the bottom, that's where we bought in. These are long term, play if you want but you will lose. Those who stuck in there have now made back more shares. The whole idea is putting more in every 3 or 4 months, over time there's no way you can lose, but you don't play it up and down.

 

[paise]

I am beginning to think I now understand why some here are so adament about pushing this healthcare reform down the rest of our throats. They really need it bad since they appear to be deaf, dumb and blind.

Barenetted: I am not deaf or dumb; however, I am blind. I am also suffering in the moderate to severe stages of lupus (SLE - the worst type of lupus) and Sjogren's disease. These diseases begin by destroying my joints, connective muscle tissue, eyes, oral problems (teeth, gums, etc.. b/c Sjogren's stops the adequate production of saliva and tears from the tear ducts causing infection that eventually, if left untreated, can lead to encephalitis - which left me with the choice of major oral surgery or risking ending up like a piece of broccoli in a bed attached to tubes until I died; I chose the extensive surgery, but that's not the end of it by a long haul).

I have severe osteoporosis, which causes high probability of breaking hips (which I did), other bones (which I have), tearing tendons and ligaments (been there done that), having no immune system to adequately fight infections (been there more times than I can count), and eventually reaching the point where antibiotics to beat the infections will stop working (been there, done that though there are new antibiotics that are working still until my body builds an immunity to those).... It causes brain fog, and often I hurt so bad I can't get out of bed. There's the constant pain, fatigue, depression, and feeling almost worthless because in my mind, I want to work like I did before lupus, Sjogren's, and the retinal disease I have now but my body simply will not oblige.

In the last decade I have fought tooth and nail to keep walking on my own two feet even to the surprise of reg doctors and specialists but there will come a time when I will not be able to get up on my own and the wheelchair will be my only source of getting around until I become bed-ridden all the while the autoimmune diseases will begin attacking my internal organs until they give out and I die.

Would you just rather I blow my brains out right now than hope for a universal health care policy that can't be taken away from me so I can receive treatment and live a life where I can continue the work of raising my child until she can graduate high school and get into a college to eventually have a career where she can succeed in life ... that is all possible unless she inherits my genetics that switch on the autoimmune diseases or her father's diabetics (type I) and family heart problems...

 

[Kate51]

Yep!

Funny that, someone robs a liquor store, they get 3 hots, a cot and unlimited medical, but the unemployed (and those with preexisting conditions) are kicked to the curb. And people here (not all, but many) are defending this because of scare tactics.

Healthcare reform is the Fox news' "terrist" rally cry of 2009.

In your case, can you not see there has to be reform...but it doesn't have to be nationalized health care, to make that right? Prisoners getting health care, of course they are. How gainfully do you think they're going to be employed after the free is all over and they're free? To do what???
Go rob another liquor store, probably. Future? Not so much. You should be in there pitching with your story as hard as you can. Scare tactics have much to do with what we're being fed from the fed, wouldn't you say? Have you heard any comforting words from above, as yet. None of us have! Yah, that's pretty scary for everyone. Our leader's are saying either come our way or get out of the way. Interesting. Out of the way of what? A train coming?

 

[master_meow]

I am so sick of people who want to make money off of sickness. the medical field should not be for money..

I slightly disagree with that statement. Those that want to make money off of it should become plastic surgeons

 

[master_meow]

Meow: You are lucky to find anything that covers Type I diabetic. My DH has been juvenile diabetic since he was 3-4yrs old. He's 45yo now. For the last 16-17 years I have been trying to find an insurance company that will take 1 or both of us (I have pre-existing conditions that are chronic & ultimately life-threatening, well actually more than life-threatening.. Eventually it will either kill me or be consequential in the reason my body stops working sooner than it would otherwise) and there is nothing out there. Insurance companies who call or ones I call, as a general rule, hang up on me once we get to the pre-existing conditions part.

Private insurance hates anyone that might require their services actually pay out something for the premiums one would pay into the company. That's just my experience and the same is true for all other diabetics and those with autoimmune diseases and other conditions that will ultimately end one's life prematurely than if the person was 100% healthy. Besides, it isn't as if we asked for any of this nor did we cause it to be brought upon us. It simply is and there isn't a darn thing we can do except seek treatment for it though the problem there is that nobody can afford to seek treatment without some kind of help because anything medical is only affordable by the rich or someone with a darn good insurance program; however, the problem then becomes more complicated since the moment the insurance co can't take your money without paying out in what they promised to cover, they kick you from the program leaving you without mercy despite years of regular payments into the insurance system.

And of course lets not forget the high chance of eventually needing an organ transplant. But we are all in the same boat. This is how we were born and people without these problems think its very simple. My cousins fiance(as of two weeks ago) is type 1 and he wont go to the doctor, or buy anything he needs on his insurense. He guys hemoglobin from costco along with strips and rations like hell(An alergic reaction stops me from using the cheaper hemoglobin so I have to use Novalog and I have a pump which insurance does NOT EVEN COVER THE SUPPLY COST BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY ARE NAMED!). So he is determined as hell to stay off the radar so he can at least get the other medical care. Of course he is risking long term medical complications.