Health Care Reform Bill VOTE NO!!!!

[denec]

Congress did not vote for them - They voted to give Bush powers that he used - They never got to vote on it - If they had there would have been an official declaration of war - There was no such thing - And the congress was NOT democratic - It was Rep. in 2000-2001 and a 50/50 split 2001-2003 - Not even Afganastan was justified - No one from that country attacked us -

106th Congress (1999-2001)
Republican (55 seats)
Democrat (45 seats)

107th Congress (2001-2003)
Democrat (50 seats)
Republican (50 seats)

Nor did Obama's pastor preach hate - You base that on one out of context clip that was played over and over - The points he made were simply that the USA was not an "innocent" victim - Our actions and foreign policies regarding the middle east produced consequences as through them we created enemies -

You want to discuss - Then do so - Just stop the Hitler references - It only serves to make you look foolish and stupid - that reference is out of line and disrespectful to those who had to deal with the real HITLER - Neither man in question comes anywhere near Hitler - NOT EVEN CLOSE - I hated Bush - But never would I comapare him to Hitler - that would be an insult to Hitler

I did not take Rev Wright references out of context...i can post tons of links of hatred he had passed out at his church if you really want..his church was known to support Hamas...a known terrorist organization...which makes sense why obama is so anti-israel and anit-semitic

and you are right there is no vote on declaration of war, but congress could have stopped the war at anytime but they kept voting on funding it more and more even as democrats took hold

out of the Rev mouth himself


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp...or-keeping-president-from-talking-to-him.html

A reporter from the Daily-Press of Newport News, Virginia, caught up with President Obama's former mentor and pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, this week at the 95th annual Hampton University Ministers' Conference.

Asked if he's spoken to his former parishioner since he become President, Wright told David Squires, "them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office."

Wright said he would tell the president, if he could, to stay true to himself.

“He’s gotta do what politicians do,” Wright said. “Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza, “Ethnic cleansing the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel.”

Rev. Wright also said that “the Jewish vote, the A-I-P-A-C vote, that’s controlling him, that would not let him send representation to the Darfur Review Conference, that’s talking this craziness on this trip, cause they’re Zionists, they would not let him talk to someone who calls a spade what it is. “

(It should be noted that since his inauguration, President Obama has visited with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Saudi King Abdullah, Jordanian King Abdullah, and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. It’s unclear what Rev. Wright would say to the President about the plight of the Palestinians that these Arab leaders would be unwilling to say.)

In his new book Renegade: The Making of a President, erstwhile Newsweek reporter Richard Wolffe writes about a secret meeting then-candidate Obama had with Rev. Wright during that period in which the fiery minister threatened to derail his then-parishioner's path to the Democratic presidential nomination.

"It was time to talk directly to Wright," Wolffe writes. "Obama’s friends at Trinity tried to talk their pastor out of his comeback tour. But by now the church was deeply divided between Obama supporters and Wright supporters, and the conversation was going nowhere. So the candidate decided to go see Wright himself in secret, in Chicago. First came the dance over where to meet: one intermediary suggested a neutral location, but Obama said he was happy to go wherever Wright wanted. They ended up talking at Wright’s home, and Obama tried to adopt the tone of a concerned friend giving advice. He did not want to tell his former pastor what to do, but he did want to nudge him in the right direction by making him aware of what was about to happen. Wright wasn’t heading for vindication; he was heading for vilification.

“'Look, you’re a pastor, you have your own role to play,' Obama said. 'But I can tell you how politics in the cable and blog age works. Here’s what you need to anticipate: that it’s going to be a media circus. But obviously, you need to do what you need to do.'

"Wright felt embattled and wanted to tell his side of the story to the rest of the world. He thanked Obama for his opinion, but looked and sounded like the aggrieved party.

"After Wright’s disastrous appearance at the National Press Club in Washington, and Obama’s swift decision to sever all ties with his former pastor, the campaign’s polling numbers showed a steep decline in Indiana.

"On the night before Indiana’s primary, Obama’s senior aides were convinced they were headed for outright defeat. 'How could someone I knew, someone I trusted, do this to me?' Obama said.

"Obama and his aides were proved wrong. They won North Carolina by fifteen points, lost Indiana by just one point, and beat Reverend Wright once and for all."

- jpt

the most hilarious thing is if the Jews were really controlling him do you think they would have Obama tell Israel they must not allow Jews to not live in certain places in Jerusalem? And that they must start the peace process again

is this guy nuts or what?

and Obama listened to this guy for 20 years?

How scary is that he is now the President of the US? That is what scares me more that he was mentored by this guy.

At least Bush was not insane.

 

[bluezr1]

Congress did not vote for them - They voted to give Bush powers that he used - They never got to vote on it - If they had there would have been an official declaration of war - There was no such thing - And the congress was NOT democratic - It was Rep. in 2000-2001 and a 50/50 split 2001-2003 - Not even Afganastan was justified - No one from that country attacked us -

106th Congress (1999-2001)
Republican (55 seats)
Democrat (45 seats)

107th Congress (2001-2003)
Democrat (50 seats)
Republican (50 seats)

Nor did Obama's pastor preach hate - You base that on one out of context clip that was played over and over - The points he made were simply that the USA was not an "innocent" victim - Our actions and foreign policies regarding the middle east produced consequences as through them we created enemies -

You want to discuss - Then do so - Just stop the Hitler references - It only serves to make you look foolish and stupid - that reference is out of line and disrespectful to those who had to deal with the real HITLER - Neither man in question comes anywhere near Hitler - NOT EVEN CLOSE - I hated Bush - But never would I comapare him to Hitler - that would be an insult to Hitler

I wasn’t trying to compare Bush to Hitler, was just trying to state that if your going to compare Obama to Hitler then you should compare all of us to too Hitler. Sorry if that came out the wrong way.

 

[kypp]

Wasn't the topic healthcare? What does Rev. Wright. Hitler, or Israel have to do with it, unless there's absolutely nothing Obama could do to make some people happy?

 

[Surf Monkey]

I might not have been very happy with Bush but his policies were nowhere near anything like Hitler and the wars were all justified the congress voted for them along with the patriotic act, bush just signed them, the democratic congress I might add...and at least Bush did not go to a church where his mentor pastor preach hatred for 20 years. That alone has the making of Hitler and all the people he has associated with along the years.

I love how you Republicans like to taylor reality to fit your fantasy. When Obama signs the tobacco bill, it's ALL his fault. The congress isn't to blame. But when Bush signs the Patriot act it's ALL the congress's fault. Bush had nothing to do with it.

At least try to pretend to be consistent.

Obama is antisemitic, I mean he tells Israel where Jews are allowed to live in Jerusalem,

how would the United States like it if PM of Israel told NYC where all the blacks are allowed to live on which blocks in NYC? Al Sharpton will come running out crying racism..

Obama learned all his hatred from his his buddy pastor Wright and only a matter of time before his policies affect us here in America

LOL

Yeah, Obama is anti-semitic. Sure. Whatever you say, denec. You've proven to be such a reliable source, I don't see how anyone here can question your assertions.

 

[Surf Monkey]

... there's absolutely nothing Obama could do to make some people happy?

By George! I think you've struck on the heart of the matter!

 

[Bones]

I did not take Rev Wright references out of context...i can post tons of links of hatred he had passed out at his church if you really want..
At least Bush was not insane.

OH I See - So if someone supports a political position different than you -
That makes them a terrorist and hate preacher - AHH - OK -

Hamas would be considered freedom fighters by most people -
Only those who side with Israel's hate and imprisonment of the Palestinian people view them as terrorists -

No Bush was not insane - He just thought that Jesus told him to be president and that there were biblical demons running around in Iraq causing trouble - Nothing crazy about that -
He just thought that if we carpet bomb a country with cluster bombs and drop phosphorous all over them while we destroy their infrastucture and allow their national treasures to be looted - Then - They'll welcome us with flowers - And he was actually SHOCKED when they didn't - He just thought it would be cool to call a war in the middle east a CRUSADE - Why would that upset anyone? - He just thought it was ok to tell everyone that the "terrreris" were out to get us and then he stood up and said "BRING IT ON!" =

Perfectly sane - Nuttin crazy bout dat =

See the trouble is you HATE so much you think everyone else does too -

 

[Bones]

unless there's absolutely nothing Obama could do to make some people happy?

If Obama were to WALK ON WATER - They would shout out -

LOOK! HE CAN'T SWIM!

 

[ladybug]

I can not stand Barney franks,can't talk worth a **** anyway, or Nancy P.,She is the biggest ..... in the world! I hate what Obama is doing to our country! I am in left wing country,so I am out of here!

 

[Surf Monkey]

I can not stand Barney franks,can't talk worth a **** anyway, or Nancy P.,She is the biggest ..... in the world! I hate what Obama is doing to our country! I am in left wing country,so I am out of here!

Oh boo hoo. Your superficial complaints fall on deaf ears. Go ahead and slam Franks, Pelosi and Obama on substantive policy issues. That's your right. But it makes you look ignorant when the main objection you have is "she's a ....." and "he talks funny" and "he's ruining our country." Guess what ladybug? It's MY country too and I like what he's doing with it.

The amazing thing is how thoroughly hypocritical 'wingers like yourself are. When Bush was president all I heard from people like you was "Liberals need to keep their mouths shut and respect the president." and "He was elected so your objections are irrelevant." and "If you hate America so much, why don't you leave." Now that the tables are turned you all do EXACTLY the same things that you spent eight years complaining that liberals did. It's transparent.

It sucks for you that your party isn't in power. I know how you feel. But acting like a child about it just makes you look bad. It doesn't convince anyone that these people are bad or wrong.

The main thing you ignore is that your party has controlled the presidency for 28 of the last 40 years. Republican presidents: 28 years. Democratic presidents: 12 years. It's your leadership that got us into the messes we're in now. Our guy has been in power for 6 MONTHS and now everything is HIS fault?

Cry me a friggin' river.

 

[Duckies]

Paul Krugman:

"In fact he's a deeply polarizing figure because the opposing party has not accepted that Americans have rejected their ideas - they think they're going to make a comeback."

Remember guys and gals -- we voted the Dems into office last November because a majority of this country WANTS healthcare reform. Be grateful that they are only talking about adding a public OPTION for those who want to participate in a more secure plan. If many of us on the left had our way, we would scream MANDATE and force single payer for all.

 

[Duckies]

if the shoe fits..how can you take anyone serious who denies he knew nothing about Rev wright hatred and he was in the same church for 20 years?

and you want this man to change our healthcare system?

either he is too naive, or a racist and antisemitic..personally i believed based on his actions he is antisemitic and full of hatred..I don't want this guy messing with my healthcare that is for sure

You make it sound like this was Obama's sole source of all learning as opposed to a man who yelled from a pulpit for an hour a week in a community setting.

Unless you believe that everything your preacher tells you is true and you base every single life decision based on his opinions as opposed to forming your own?? Do you consult with your preacher before making a car purchase (economic decisions)? What about consultations on healthcare decisions?

Wasn't the topic healthcare? What does Rev. Wright. Hitler, or Israel have to do with it, unless there's absolutely nothing Obama could do to make some people happy?

You nailed it! See Paul Krugman quote above.

 

[Duckies]

I can not stand Barney franks,can't talk worth a **** anyway, or Nancy P.,She is the biggest ..... in the world! I hate what Obama is doing to our country! I am in left wing country,so I am out of here!

Yeah, and Boehner has a fake tan and Newt's hair? OMGWTFBBQ! What is UP with that hair?

Can you possibly pound out a reasoned argument about the ISSUES surrounding healthcare reform without basing your displeasure on someone's lisp?

 

[Surf Monkey]

Remember guys and gals -- we voted the Dems into office last November because a majority of this country WANTS healthcare reform. Be grateful that they are only talking about adding a public OPTION for those who want to participate in a more secure plan. If many of us on the left had our way, we would scream MANDATE and force single payer for all.

Exactly. The irony is that Obama is getting hammered for keeping his campaign promise. If he'd ignored health care reform he would have been hammered just as hard.

The bottom line is that partisan Republicans don't care what's in the health care plan. They want to kill it because they don't like Democrats. Simple as that. The details are all just window dressing. They feel like they damaged the Clinton presidency over this issue and they see an opportunity to do the same thing to Obama.

 

[Bones]

I can not stand Barney franks,can't talk worth a **** anyway, or Nancy P.,She is the biggest ..... in the world! I hate what Obama is doing to our country! I am in left wing country,so I am out of here!

Don't let the door hit you on the way out -

 

[denec]

OH I See - So if someone supports a political position different than you -
That makes them a terrorist and hate preacher - AHH - OK -

Hamas would be considered freedom fighters by most people -
Only those who side with Israel's hate and imprisonment of the Palestinian people view them as terrorists -

No Bush was not insane - He just thought that Jesus told him to be president and that there were biblical demons running around in Iraq causing trouble - Nothing crazy about that -
He just thought that if we carpet bomb a country with cluster bombs and drop phosphorous all over them while we destroy their infrastucture and allow their national treasures to be looted - Then - They'll welcome us with flowers - And he was actually SHOCKED when they didn't - He just thought it would be cool to call a war in the middle east a CRUSADE - Why would that upset anyone? - He just thought it was ok to tell everyone that the "terrreris" were out to get us and then he stood up and said "BRING IT ON!" =

Perfectly sane - Nuttin crazy bout dat =

See the trouble is you HATE so much you think everyone else does too -

Hamas are terrorist organizations and the only people who consider them freedom fighters are twisted sick individuals and I gather you never stepped one foot in the middle east and like to debate from the armchair...because people think they are high and mighty

I never was a huge fan of Bush ...that is the funny thing you think because I cannot stand Obama and his socialist policies I automatically love Bush...stop making assumptions you make yourself look like an ...

But bush was nowhere near as bad as Obama..in fact I will say Obama is the worst President next to Carter we have ever seen in the 20th century and things are only going to get worst.


It’s pretty bad when you have *Air America* calling you a liar, Mr. President

http://www.redstate.com/bs/2009/08/...-air-america-calling-you-a-liar-mr-president/


I love this it is awesome!!! He is losing support from his own...that is pathetic

 

[Surf Monkey]

Hamas are terrorist organizations and the only people who consider them freedom fighters are twisted sick individuals and I gather you never stepped one foot in the middle east and like to debate from the armchair...because people think they are high and mighty

I never was a huge fan of Bush ...that is the funny thing you think because I cannot stand Obama and his socialist policies I automatically love Bush...stop making assumptions you make yourself look like an ...

But bush was nowhere near as bad as Obama..in fact I will say Obama is the worst President next to Carter we have ever seen in the 20th century and things are only going to get worst.


It’s pretty bad when you have *Air America* calling you a liar, Mr. President

It’s pretty bad when you have *Air America* calling you a liar, Mr. President - bs’s blog - RedState


I love this it is awesome!!! He is losing support from his own...that is pathetic

With every post you lose even more credibility, denec.

 

[paise]

I cannot stand Obama and his socialist policies I automatically love Bush...stop making assumptions you make yourself look like an ...

But bush was nowhere near as bad as Obama..in fact I will say Obama is the worst President next to Carter we have ever seen in the 20th century and things are only going to get worst.

I do hope you are joking or being somewhat facetious. Bush and Cheney will go down by far as the absolute worst president/vice-president this country has ever seen or have you been asleep these last 8-some-odd years?

Bush, Cheney, and Co have broken so many laws it's difficult to know where to begin. We have such a mess here after those two bankrupted this country, lied to the people, controlled the media by forcing them to put out only Bush/Cheney-approved propaganda, held prisoners of war (though Bush/Cheney think that b/c they called the POW's "detainees" that it gets them off the hook for the torture placed upon these people) without a chance of an attorney or a trial, which is highly illegal in this country and since Gitmo IS a MARINE BASE technically ON AMERICAN SOIL these POW's were entitled to a fair trial.

I find it shameful that we must wait for one or both of those goof-balls to accidentally leave this country so Spain can have them picked up and brought to the Hague to be brought up on charges for crimes against humanity, attack of a sovereign nation, murder of a sovereign nation's leader, deploying troops under false pretenses, giving Haliburton a no-bid contract (illegal), embezzlement of trillions of dollars sent to Iraq that oddly enough have gone missing and unaccounted for during the Bush/Cheney term, and so many others... again too many to list... but it's a shame another country has to prosecute our leaders for their illegal activities because WE THE PEOPLE don't have the balls to do it ourselves.

Clinton went through impeachment proceedings for having an affair with a freaking intern - something just about every sitting president has done since the beginning of this country yet Bush & Cheney committed crimes against humanity and crimes against a sovereign nation, they agreed to tap the US citizens' phone conversations, read our email, and otherwise take away our right to privacy yet nobody but the limited few who find these actions atrocious and unbecoming of so-called leaders of this country.

If Hillary wanted to roast Bill's nuts for screwing around then that was her place to do it. We didn't need to spend billions of our tax dollars on an adultery case; however, we should spend whatever it takes to bring Bush, Cheney, and Co (cronies included) to justice for all the lies and crimes committed while they pretended to be president/vice-president.

At least Obama is trying to get us out of this hole Bush/Cheney put us in. He's trying to turn our planet's health around before it become inhabitable unlike Bush and Cheney and of course the "Drill, Baby Drill" chant of McCain and dumb as dirt Palin. My 12-year-old knows that Africa is a continent and not a country! What does that say about Palin? She certainly wouldn't make it on that program, "Are you Smarter than a Fifth Grader." She'd lose big time as would McCain and McBush... Cheney would lose too but he'd spend the entire show arguing about how he's right and everyone's wrong.

I'm so thankful the citizens of this country woke up long enough to toss any chance of McSame and Palin on their tushies out the door. Obama and Biden are at the very least intelligent men. That's more than anyone can say about and Bush/Cheney or McSame/Palin.

I do hope you are joking if not, I feel for you and I'm thankful there are enough people in this country who are smart enough to override your vote when voting times roll around.

Normally, I would try to stay out of political arguments or discussions but this one just blows. I had to say something. Every professor of every college I've had the privilege of listening to over the last 8+ years have all said that when all is said and done, Bush and Cheney will go down as the worst president/vice-president of all of American history; furthermore, the only thing that will prevent them from going to prison for all their illegal crimes is Daddy War-Bucks-Bush's $$$$...

 

[BARENETTED]

The professors in the majority of our colleges are bleeding heart liberals with nothing more than an agenda to turn our young people against the Republican party.

If Bush bankrupted this country - can youtell me what Obama is doing to bring us back to fiscal responsibility??? He is just adding to the deficit that will never be paid down, even in our Grandchiuldren's lifetime.

Obama is making Bush economics look real good right about now.

 

[paise]

The professors in the majority of our colleges are bleeding heart liberals with nothing more than an agenda to turn our young people against the Republican party.

If Bush bankrupted this country - can youtell me what Obama is doing to bring us back to fiscal responsibility??? He is just adding to the deficit that will never be paid down, even in our Grandchiuldren's lifetime.

Obama is making Bush economics look real good right about now.

Well, if every person has healthcare and can see a doctor for preventative care then it stands to reason that most people who suffer an illness that can be treated but only if caught in the early stages will be treated and therefore will be less apt to end up on disability. That person will be working, not constantly out of work because they can't afford to see a doctor for this illness. If every child has healthcare then it stands to reason the child will be more healthy and therefore parents will lose fewer days of work so they will be paying more into the tax base.

Plus, if every citizen has preventative care nobody will be using the emergency room, which costs 10x the cost of a doctor's visit, as their private care doctor instead of going for emergencies like a broken leg or a heart attack or etc... then the cost of medical care will come way down thus saving money in the long run.

In the end, if you keep your citizens as healthy as possible and their children as healthy as possible you will find more butts in the seats at the jobs where people will be earning more money instead of losing money because they are too sick to come to work yet too poor to go to the doctor when they are sick or when a child is sick. Over time, this will begin to pay for itself and then it will eventually hit a windfall.

It's cheaper to cover everyone with preventative care than to keep the status quo where nobody gets medical care until the problem becomes debilitating to the point where that person is not paying taxes into the system but instead is taking money from the system because now that person is drawing disability when if caught early, that person would not have become disabled.

Also, we need to start tossing illegals back across the freaking border. We need our military to stand on every foot of our border between the USA and Mexico then start firing shots at those trying to come across here illegally. Our military needs to be sitting ready and waiting incognito at every Walmart and Foodlion on Sundays to round up all the illegals that loiter there then bus them up and send their butts back across the border. Maybe then all these people out of work might actually have a shot at a job since Julio and Marquez are now back in their country without the US job working under the table while their women they've impregnated are drawing every dime from our welfare system as our elderly and disabled slowly waste away until they are dead because there is no assistance available for the 80-year-old living on $350 a month b/c wages back in his/her day were barely $1.50 an hour yet that person is supposed to pay for Medicare, cover food, rent, and utilities as well as medications all on $350 a month while Illegals walk out of Social Services with some $1000 in food stamps, another $1000 in AFDC, not to mention they're living in free HUD housing, and getting stipends to pay their phone and everything else plus they are living 5 families living in one home yet claiming they cook separately so all 5 families are receiving the same amount of $$ a month yet we can't help citizens of this country but our government for the last near decade has broke it's neck to help illegals.

That's what is trying to be fixed right now and if we do this, in the long run, in the grand scheme of things, life will get better. WE did not get in this jam overnight and we won't get out of it overnight. Bush threw away trillions of dollars on an illegal war then trillions more giving money to Haliburton without going through bid contracts so we basically paid his "pals" whatever they asked, which is illegal but Bush and Cheney claimed they didn't answer to anybody. They refused to turn over any information to congress and even to Obama and Biden.

I think we should force Bush and Cheney to pay back the trillions upon trillions they cost this country even if it leaves the Bush family penniless. At least then they will know what it feels like to be an average American in this country for a change.

 

[Kate51]

Barenetted, that's a good question, how is Obama going to propose any plan that can be done.
I beg to differ with Paise, the Iraq war was not an illegal war, no matter what the democrats have told you, Halliburton did not make trillions. They were surely well paid, but performed vital services and supplies that kept our troops alive. So you have to thank them for that. I do believe that was all sorted out when the DOD got ahold of the complaint.
But I think you are right about the illegals, I for one have heard enough sob stories about how we owe those not here legally a living, a job, a house, food, schooling, even collage, and health care. Our middle class right now is trying very hard to provide those things to our own children and having a mighty hard time of it....no free trip for us!