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Hearing Misinformation About Cotton From Vape Store Clerks
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just how safe is cotton? organic or sterilized...? and exactly what is in cotton that is of concern and how much of whatever the stuff is that isnt safe to inhale is in the cotton and how much of it can one ingest before an issue arises?? untill someone can give me answers to these questions.... cotton is totally safe.... 
just how safe is cotton? organic or sterilized...? and exactly what is in cotton that is of concern and how much of whatever the stuff is that isnt safe to inhale is in the cotton and how much of it can one ingest before an issue arises?? untill someone can give me answers to these questions.... cotton is totally safe....
are you being sarcastic? its hard to tell the context of your post...
Pipe down B1sh0p, if you want entertainment go play with a Provari
It irks me that if someone posts anything slightly quizzical about the safety of vaping that some members jump on the "well I was smoking before so it must be safer than that" defense mechanism. That's really not the point. I think we all have a duty to ask these questions and try to find out the answers by reasoned logic, discussion and research.
I think we should all take a step back in these threads and ask how vaping has moved forward. The answer is, in part, by normal vapers like everyone here on this forum asking questions like these. This wouldn't happen if we all just agreed that because we all did something a particular way or used a particular product that it was safe and we should maintain the status quo.
You dared suggest it might not be good for us you ANTZ - I hate that knee-jerk almost spasmodic reaction. I think ECF is better than that.
It's a legitimate discussion - not particularly exciting I agree, but important.
+1. This thread reminds me of 9 out of 10 threads on the fishkeeping forum I frequent.
It's incredible how many customers don't get why "you don't ask your barber whether you need a haircut".
I suppose P. T. Barnum was right.
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Pipe down B1sh0p, if you want entertainment go play with a Provari
It irks me that if someone posts anything slightly quizzical about the safety of vaping that some members jump on the "well I was smoking before so it must be safer than that" defense mechanism. That's really not the point. I think we all have a duty to ask these questions and try to find out the answers by reasoned logic, discussion and research.
I think we should all take a step back in these threads and ask how vaping has moved forward. The answer is, in part, by normal vapers like everyone here on this forum asking questions like these. This wouldn't happen if we all just agreed that because we all did something a particular way or used a particular product that it was safe and we should maintain the status quo.
You dared suggest it might not be good for us you ANTZ - I hate that knee-jerk almost spasmodic reaction. I think ECF is better than that.
It's a legitimate discussion - not particularly exciting I agree, but important.
i find it amazingly exciting!
Also...
Only thing exciting about this thread is your avatar. It continues to give me the heebee-jeebees.
the red brown and orange background was BRIGHT GREEN for a long time. then i think Baditude told me the green was hurting his eyes so i fixed it..
Back to the thread at hand....
i think we will start to see some tests done on the vapor produced when using cotton wick rather soon.
it stands to reason that if it is a viable material for e-cig wick, manufactures will want to use it.
OR
they have already done tests and concluded that it is not a viable material and are not releasing the test results because they would be sharing info with direct competitors and that is bad for business
i think we will start to see some tests done on the vapor produced when using cotton wick rather soon.
it stands to reason that if it is a viable material for e-cig wick, manufactures will want to use it.
OR
they have already done tests and concluded that it is not a viable material and are not releasing the test results because they would be sharing info with direct competitors and that is bad for business
For me it's the disjointed eyebrows - I've learned to not trust people with levitating eyebrows.
You're arguing and moving the goalpost like an insane person. I see nothing useful from your comments, and if this is reflective of your blog, I need nothing good coming from it, either.
I also firmly suspect you may be a troll who is simply trying to start arguments.
You are correct about the context. The customer was a silica user that asked the clerk why he should consider cotton. I do think your answer of "perfectly fine" is far different than saying that it's "totally safe -- much safer than silica."
Bless you!
You always were the smart one.
No, because I'm not comfortable enough with the employee. I'm quite fond of the shop, the owner, and several of the other clerks. There are probably 10 vape shops I frequent within a 10-mile radius and the one I was writing about has become my "Cheers." I've thought about saying something to the owner, but what would I do? If I tell the owner who specifically made the error then that guy would be mad at me. If I told the owner that one of his employees said something incorrect then it's possible that a few of the clerks would be wary of me. Right now, I don't think it's worth saying anything at all, for completely selfish reasons.
As per what Penn wrote above, I only made one argument. Some people are inferring things that absolutely weren't implied. Others are getting defensive because they inexplicably think I'm anti-cotton and it's their wick material of choice. I'm not trying to start any arguments, but I always welcome some good discussion. There has been some of that here. While there were many posts that were attacks due to misunderstandings or poor reading comprehension, there were a few great posts that taught all of us something or, at the very least, made us think a bit more. That's a very good thing.
RPadTV, I salute you!
Your reply to my question was honest and you didn't hesitate to say, "I don't think it's worth saying anything at all, for completely selfish reasons." I would have kept quiet too. You're honest in your answer and I respect that. You've also kept your cool even though there have been brickbats hurled at you.
I like this that you wrote, "but I always welcome some good discussion. There has been some of that here. While there were many posts that were attacks due to misunderstandings or poor reading comprehension, there were a few great posts that taught all of us something or, at the very least, made us think a bit more. That's a very good thing."
All too often, when some don't agree/misunderstand with a certain point, they go on the offensive and the thread degenerates. Hopefully we can all remember that we're here to discuss and learn. I have.
Your reply to my question was honest and you didn't hesitate to say, "I don't think it's worth saying anything at all, for completely selfish reasons." I would have kept quiet too. You're honest in your answer and I respect that. You've also kept your cool even though there have been brickbats hurled at you.
I like this that you wrote, "but I always welcome some good discussion. There has been some of that here. While there were many posts that were attacks due to misunderstandings or poor reading comprehension, there were a few great posts that taught all of us something or, at the very least, made us think a bit more. That's a very good thing."
All too often, when some don't agree/misunderstand with a certain point, they go on the offensive and the thread degenerates. Hopefully we can all remember that we're here to discuss and learn. I have.
Organic cotton is grown using organic pesticides. The whitening process for organic cotton involves the use of sodium hydroxide (NaOH) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) at a fairly high temperature. I have used both of these chemicals in a waste treatment facility; sodium hydroxide, for instance, is used for final pH adjustment of discharge effluent and is perfectly safe. It decomposes into sodium (salt) and oxygen. Hydrogen peroxide decomposes to hydrogen and oxygen. Both chemicals, especially when heated, are deadly to organic compounds including any pesticides. It's one of the reasons hydrogen peroxide is used as an antiseptic to clean wounds. Sodium hydroxide is frequently used in foods and cosmetics.
I see thread after thread about this; usually accompanied with a lot of guessing and blatant statement of incorrect information. The bottom line is, if using cotton processed with hydrogen peroxide as a wicking material (a chemical made up of elements that you breath), then don't use it. Personally, I would be more concerned with the long term effects of some of the flavoring agents used in liquids. I will take my chances. YMMV.
I think it's asking a lot of a store clerk to add a disclaimer to every item he/she sells or is asked about. Would it have been better if he said "I believe" cotton is totally safe. The end result is exactly the same. Furthermore, there is no knowledge base for this stuff. EVERYTHING is opinions, or educated guesses. Open any thread with the word safe in the title, and that becomes very clear, very quickly. If the clerk I bought my original kit from had told me every back and forth argument about "safety" I see here, I never would have bought anything, and i would probably be an ANTZ puffing on a cigarette talking about poison in them things. Vendors aren't (for the most part, i'm sure)scientists, chemists, or doctors. They sell vape stuff for a living.
I understand not saying something. I've heard vendors push products I think are crap. I've heard vendors talk about the great price on something I know I can get cheaper from 25 different places. I didn't say anything either. BUT, I also didn't write a blog about it that the vendor will never likely see. I think if it was that big of a concern that the "I believe" disclaimer be added, you should have said something. Just my .02.
I understand not saying something. I've heard vendors push products I think are crap. I've heard vendors talk about the great price on something I know I can get cheaper from 25 different places. I didn't say anything either. BUT, I also didn't write a blog about it that the vendor will never likely see. I think if it was that big of a concern that the "I believe" disclaimer be added, you should have said something. Just my .02.
Yes indeed!! I don't know which will get me first, but the big money is riding on booze and broads, a deadly combination. But to the OP, I would rather inhale whatever small amounts of whatever may be left on that tiny, tiny bit of cotton that I have boiled to death vs a chunk of fiberglass. Doesn't take an Einstein to figure that one out.
Heh. My daddy always told me, "If it flies, floats or (censored), rent it." Love the animated GIF too!
Well thanks for trying. I'd like to know the ballpark for the wire temp too. Appreciate your efforts here.
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