Heavy smoker needs help - Vaping not working so far

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Maybe if you have some time check out L.A. vapers club (L.A. Vapers Club) their next one is Oct 20,2012,, to get a more hands on experience of various products out on the market, maybe make some new friends, or ask folks to see thier vape gears, to see if you will even like it or not, though all seem perty good advice here, but nothing will beat hands on before purchase. And they have alot of Great supporting vendors..

I was a 2to3 pad for 26 yrs, and it was no easy ride for me in the first 2 months. Big learning curve, and half the products folks are mentioning werent around yet. Don't beat yourself over ecigs, give it a chance. For me 36mg for the hard cravings, 24 for wakeup/need a smoke , 18 for all day vaping. Everyone's body takes time to adjust to e cig varietals, it takes time, just like when we all first learned how to smoke a cigarette.. same deal.
 

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Pwitte,

Something I read in another thread a little while ago, I wish I could remember who said it, but it was good advice and may help you to think differently about stopping the tobacco. You are not stopping smoking....you are changing your brand of cigarettes, from the old fashioned analogues to the new electronic, some other time in your life you will have switched brands I am sure, try to think of this the same way, this sometimes helps with the mindset that you are not actually giving up anything, just changing with the times.

Yes Yves!!! This is VERY important! That is exactly what I tell all smokers that I try to convert. I did not quit smoking, I just changed to a modern, healthier way of "smoking". And you get a lot of cool options on flavors and strengths to boot! :)
 

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This is my 18th day since starting e-cigs. I get your frustration, I'm going through a couple myself. I have been and will continue to smoke cigs until I finally get to that point where I can give them up entirely. I am now down to three a day. Three cigs a day!! I do not beat myself up for that. I pat myself on the back. I have on order some new equipment that I hope will work for me, if not, on to the next. Did I mention ONLY THREE!?!? I started out with six per day, then five, four and now three. I could probably get rid of the mid day one soon, after my new doohickey gets here. Yes, playing with the kits, cartridges, and liquid can be a little time consuming, I hope it gets faster as I get used to getting into a new routine. On the plus side of that, while I am messing with all that, I am NOT smoking just vaping with the sometimes only one atty that is still working with the one cartridge. Fun learning curve....NOT! But it is doable. THREE!! That still blows my mind... Can ya tell!?!? I do have a goal in mind, somewhere in the dark recess of my brain. If I get it, great. If not, I will get there.

I do agree there HAS to be something else in cigs that we don't know about that is highly addictive for some people, me included. That is scary since we do not know what all we were inhaling! Those ....'s playing with our health. No they didn't force me to start smoking, but they sure made it so I would have a hard time getting rid of them!

Love the rant BTW. Yes I read through all the posts before responding to someone.

Did I mention only THREE a day!! 18 days into this. Can't wait to see where I am a year from now...

The more you stress about it, the more you will want that cig. Oh, side note, this forum is the best at keeping me on the right track. You might say it is my cigarettes annonomous group. Especially when you, Pwitte, come here and are having a hard time. It helps to try to help others and to realize that others are going through the VERY SAME THING I am.

WE CAN DO IT!!
 
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Oh, got to say, I loves the replies. Especially those folks that are going through the same thing, at least I know I'm not the only one still unable to COMPLETELY kick the analogs.

But I do admit, when I posted that yesterday I was having one of my old age brain farts. You know, like when you go to the kitchen to get something, and then you get there and you forgot why you went to the kitchen? I get those more and more the older I get it seems. And it's been like 105 degrees here for the past few days, so that makes it worse. Yes, Yves, I'm drinking so much water my wife thinks I'm a fish.

So yes, I forgot that I had decided if e-juice didn't do it for me, then I would try the WTA. So I ordered some today (oink oink - hey, do Guinea pigs go oink?) and I hope that will be the final piece to the puzzle, so I never have to support Mr. Philip Morris again. Morris may have 9 lives, but not me.

On a lighter note, here's some recent brain farts I've experienced since vaping:

* When I vape while doing something else, a few minutes later I'm thinking, OMG, I forgot to put out my cigarette! :facepalm:

* I keep rolling down the window in my car to let the smoke out. I keep forgetting it's not real cig smoke! :blink:

* While lying on the sofa watching my Jets and Cowboys get their butts kicked, I keep tilting my ego up and end up drinking juice. :p

There's a bunch more, but I can't think of them now. Anyone else having similar (or different) brain farts? Like, have you ever tried to extinguish your mod in the ashtray, or thrown it on the ground to step on it, or worse, thrown it out of your moving car? lol 8-o

I'll post back in a week or so. Let's see if the WTA does the trick.

:vapor:
 

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I tried to light mine a few times. I still keep a lighter around to light my torch when I oxidize my wicks.

I talk with my hands quite a bit and wind up flinging juice everywhere. I was on a bike run the other day and was talking with my hands and dropped my Provari on the pavement hard. Scared the heck out of me but its still rockin and rollin.

I dropped my old volt cig in the toilet when I was done vaping during my morning throne ritual. Should have seen my wifes face when I told her about that one lol.
 

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Ha ha! I had my first experience acting as though my foggy stick was a cig yesterday - I got off the bus and went to take a vape puff and used my hands to shield the end as though I was going to light it. I have been vaping since the end of September but this was the first time I "forgot" I was not smoking. However, I did see a stray lighter in the parking lot and didnt get excited. That was new too :)

I hope WTA does something for you. My bf claims that WTA is un-noticable but he did not really cut down until he got his WTA -and now its about all he vapes. I rather suspect that it is doing more than he realizes.
 

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(6) I don't really want any sweet or fancy flavors, just regular menthol with nicotine like I smoke now. I seem to be ok with PV (no allergies), so if you could also steer me in the right direction for getting a good mix at a decent price, that would be appreciated. I don't think I'm ready to mix my own just yet, so a link to a good mix would be appreciated.

You've gotten a lot of good advice so far but I thought I'd like to add that while I used to smoke Menthol cigarettes, Menthol vaping liquids are just flat out nasty to me.... haven't found a single one I like and I've tried dozens. Regular 24mg Tobbacco flavors are tons better... at least for me they were (are).... so while you're searching for the right Nic-Juice for you, I highly recommend buying a bottle or two of 24mg Tobbacco flavors..... just to compare. Vaping is a 'journey'.... and it can be a tough one for some of us, it took me three years to discover my vaping Nirvana... but I've enjoyed the trip... hope you do also. :)
 

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This is my 18th day since starting e-cigs. I get your frustration, I'm going through a couple myself. I have been and will continue to smoke cigs until I finally get to that point where I can give them up entirely. I am now down to three a day. Three cigs a day!! I do not beat myself up for that. I pat myself on the back. I have on order some new equipment that I hope will work for me, if not, on to the next. Did I mention ONLY THREE!?!? I started out with six per day, then five, four and now three. I could probably get rid of the mid day one soon, after my new doohickey gets here. Yes, playing with the kits, cartridges, and liquid can be a little time consuming, I hope it gets faster as I get used to getting into a new routine. On the plus side of that, while I am messing with all that, I am NOT smoking just vaping with the sometimes only one atty that is still working with the one cartridge. Fun learning curve....NOT! But it is doable. THREE!! That still blows my mind... Can ya tell!?!? I do have a goal in mind, somewhere in the dark recess of my brain. If I get it, great. If not, I will get there.

I do agree there HAS to be something else in cigs that we don't know about that is highly addictive for some people, me included. That is scary since we do not know what all we were inhaling! Those ....'s playing with our health. No they didn't force me to start smoking, but they sure made it so I would have a hard time getting rid of them!

Love the rant BTW. Yes I read through all the posts before responding to someone.

Did I mention only THREE a day!! 18 days into this. Can't wait to see where I am a year from now...

The more you stress about it, the more you will want that cig. Oh, side note, this forum is the best at keeping me on the right track. You might say it is my cigarettes annonomous group. Especially when you, Pwitte, come here and are having a hard time. It helps to try to help others and to realize that others are going through the VERY SAME THING I am.

WE CAN DO IT!!

Congrats Rubino1! Only 3 cigs a day is something to be proud of..... you're on your way! :thumb:
 

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* While lying on the sofa watching my Jets and Cowboys get their butts kicked, I keep tilting my ego up and end up drinking juice.
:facepalm: same thing was happening to me whenever I'd lay in bed watching TV. I bought a swivel tip and that solved the problem:
Delrin 510 Knucklehead Drip Tip - Black
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Flat Top Knucklehead Drip Tips
Anyone else having similar (or different) brain farts?
looking for ashtray/ analogs/ lighter for the first 4 months. Breaking out in a cold sweat when I had gone out and didn't have any analogs. Driving to Sis in Law's boat near the Rez where I used to get my tobacco and automatically entering the Rez/ going out of our way to buy tobacco. Brains farts no.....we're functioning exactly as BT programmed us to.
Best of Luck to You. I KNOW eventually you'll get there because as you can see you're not the only one that's in this predicament or has been there.
 
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I had to lmao over that tough love post, sounded like me talking to ......me!
I think the nicotine addiction is half the battle, the other half is 26 years of rituals and habit's associated with cigarettes ... The key for me is replacing old rituals and habits with new ones....

Buy cigarettes : DIY some e-liquid or open some up.
Open a new pack : fresh tank/carto/clearo
Throw away the plastic/foil : add to the condom collection or toss this one?
Tamp the pack down : check volts/ohms/juice level
Check how many left in the pack : check charge on battery/juice level
Smokes, lighter,keys? Check! : pv, backups,keys? Check!
Light up : Vape!
Find a spot where I can smoke. : find a spot where I can vape.
Make sure it's really "out" : secure pv/power off
Empty ashtrays : clean/replace tanks,attys,carto, clearos
Deep clean, deodorize things : sort growing collection of vape gear!

Everyone has their own little satisfaction triggers, I know for me more important than "taste", or just about anything else is a righteous cloud of vapor! I care about the other factors, I want a "warm" enough vape, the right amount of throat hit for me, has to be enough nicotine to do the trick, etc. But nothing seems to quiet the psychological madness for me like a big cloud of exhale. It's weird but thin wispy vapor drives me nuts completely separate from nicotine level, flavor or anything else. I need that big ole cloud when I exhale and all is right with my experience. That has little to do with the chemical addiction to nicotine and everything to do with my attachment to the ritual and process of smoking. At home I always went outside or out to the garage to smoke, at work there is a hiding spot for smoking. Sometimes I still go to those places to vape, other people avoid there old "smoking haunts", completely -I say whatever works for you and reduces your anxiety while you are switching.

I never beat myself up during the process either, from reduction of analogs to significant reduction, to having a few here and there to one on occasion to now , no analogs. I refused(and refuse) to stress or obsess over it, the total switch came on fairly quickly but I suspect everyone moves thru that process in their own way, and on their own time schedule. Now I simply refuse to go backwards, I keep some 36mg on hand if I think I'm getting too antsy, I've bought snus(they say its an acquired taste, I thought it tasted like salty toe jam!), but I am not going backwards. I see it as having switched, not quit. That distinction is important for me to keep my head in the right place. I wanted to avoid the whole quitting/on the bandwagon/off the bandwagon thinking, it would not have worked for me personally, ymmv. My success rate of giving things up that I really enjoy is extremely low, but I honestly don't feel like I've given anything up, (except maybe my risk of cancer), I've simply switched to vaping it rather than smoking it!

If you want to do it, you can do it. How exactly you get from point A to point B, and how long it takes you to get there is more a personal thing. I was never able to "quit" because I never wanted to "quit". I really did want to change/switch so I've been able to. Really, don't stress or worry about the bumps on the way, they are inevitable sometimes. Equipment does fail, you will get stressed etc, but minimize your exposure to those bumps - have backups, and backups for those backups and your odds of making it over the bumps and humps will continue to improve. I wish you the best of luck, the only way you can truly fail at it is to give up on it completely. Hang in there !
 

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GrimmGreen says it all here. HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS VAPING THING? - YouTube

That's basically how I feel about it. I loved smoking. I love vaping. I'm glad I found it and I don't want to look back.

It's a hobby for me now. I've found rebuildables and what fun. I'm always trying to see how dif things effect my vape experiance. Last night I rolled a super fat #500 wick and wrapped some 30g to a 7/6 wrap at 1.3 ohms. CLOUDS and flavor lol.
 

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GrimmGreen says it all here. HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS VAPING THING? - YouTube

That's basically how I feel about it. I loved smoking. I love vaping. I'm glad I found it and I don't want to look back.

It's a hobby for me now. I've found rebuildables and what fun. I'm always trying to see how dif things effect my vape experiance. Last night I rolled a super fat #500 wick and wrapped some 30g to a 7/6 wrap at 1.3 ohms. CLOUDS and flavor lol.

Thanks so much for supplying the link to that Video... I agree.... LOVED Smoking..... LOVE vaping more! :vapor:
 

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To quite it takes loads of discipline/will power. Vaping to help quit is like a crutch.

First you need to want to quit and need to give yourself a kick in the pants to do so.

I found that mods help with the real feeling of smoking with the right blends. Now I have always been a very non picky smoker before I quit. But I have found a blend that tastes like actual burning Marlboros (ecblend's new red box... double extra flavor 36 mg which I cut to 24mg and a 2:1 PG/VG for a good throat hit. They can add menthol, though I never cared much for menthol. This blend at the strength and ratio for me is just as satisfying as a real CIG. Made the transition easy as can be. But switching from stick batts to a 4v mod with a low ohm dual coil tank is what really bumped it up (increased vapor flavor and vape temp) I started with the epower V2 mod (18650 powered... since I have a supply from a hobby that pays for my Vaping) that I bought online for $15 (litecigusa.net). Just avoid the bauway 510-n torpedo mod.... it sucks as the switches keep going out. The only downside to the epower is since it isa Vr unit (voltage regulator) means it has a PCB. I know I plan on building a VV mod with easy service board and mech. Switch soon...
 

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I totally agree with @synthros when he said:

nothing seems to quiet the psychological madness for me like a big cloud of exhale.

I love lots of vapor and hate it when I inhale and a tiny single little puff of smoke comes out on the exhale. Gotta up the VG and the volts, baby!

@Max, thanks for the video link. I feel it is only fair to also give you credit for the following video, which you sent to me in a PM, as it has become a great source in teaching me "how to vape."

Warning - some contents in the below video may not be suitable for those who take offense to bad language. Watch at your own risk, but this is a great video for beginners like myself to learn:

A PBusardo Video - The Many Angles Of Vaping - YouTube

Enjoy! :laugh:
 
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