Hello from India - noob vaper needing help :)

[K Ananthakrishnan]

@Letitia
Yeah, I think as @HazyShades feels, I am in it for the long haul. Its been around 10 days since I last bought a cigarette. Yeah, I have the occasional one when I am out (cigarettes and tea at road side shops are a terribly tempting option out here ) but none at home. So I guess it would be a real bummer when I run out of liquid. You know, right after your question, I went and got another 250 ml of juice.

There is this one really helpful dude on the local forums who is super confident of getting nictotine whenever we want. I do not want to literally quote him but suffice it to say, he seems super confident!

@HazyShades
You sir seem to know me well !!
I am as amazed as you with my expedited scaling of the vaping ladder - need of the hour?!?!? Either way, its not about banned states only now - nic sale per se is illegal in India. Yeah, I can source ecig stuff from other states but the law is so nebulous that I dont even know what I am encroaching on. The extent of the stupidity is just hilarious. I am not an alarmist as yet but when I got no more of that juice on me, you bet mesa will enter panic mode

@stols001
Thanks for the vote of confidence, I owe it all to the help I received out here. I guess it is more to do with surviving on what juice I have stocked. And the day may come when I cannot source any more (though I am pretty certain that this day will not come any time as there should be some way of getting it somewhere, in fact on the vendors promised me that she will not let me go dry )!

On the DIY note -
Ejuice Unflavoured 1 litre | vapourscloud
Is this middle ground where I just add concentrates to it and steep them?
And concentrates are from here
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I know I am over simplifying but I was just curious about this ejuice unflavoured (which lets me choose an 80/20 strength too!)

 

[Letitia]

Unflavored nic bases are used by many for convenience. I buy my nic highly concentrated and mix my own base. It's just cheaper but for a beginner premixed is a good option. I would suggest rather than order individual flavors order premixed flavor shots at first. These are simply recipe flavors that are already measured and combined for you. Just add to base and shake. These are a great introduction to diy and worth the slightly higher price imo.

 

[K Ananthakrishnan]

@Letitia
So that one litre will form the nic base with the 80/20 ratio and the strength I desire (6mg is what I am gunning for).
When you say premixed flavours - in that other link which has the TFA products - I think they are not mixed but single flavour concentrates (banana cream, coffee etc are the options they have).
Are these examples of premixed - Flavour concentrate India | e juice flavour concentrates
Just wanted to get an example of premixed.
Then I guess I got to get the mixing in the right ratios right?

 

[Letitia]

FCIndia had no one shots. TFA does have a few but they aren't labeled as one shots. You'll just have to cruise through all the flavors to find them. Google one shots diy e liquid. That will give you an idea what to look for.

 

[K Ananthakrishnan]

@Letitia
Arent these the ones you are referring to
Premixes | Flavourella
And it is a local site !!
And if it is I have a question - on each of the premix, they have a "Mix at xx%" - what does that mean? I am assuming that I add this straight into the unflavoured 80-20 6mg strength juice albeit at a proportion, correct?

And one other thing - that 1 litre of unflavoured juice, does it have a good shelf life? Can I keep that for some time and start using it after I go through my stock. I am hoping that all the stuff I have will last for 1-2 years (this is what I read!)

 

[Letitia]

@Letitia
Arent these the ones you are referring to
Premixes | Flavourella
And it is a local site !!
And if it is I have a question - on each of the premix, they have a "Mix at xx%" - what does that mean? I am assuming that I add this straight into the unflavoured 80-20 6mg strength juice albeit at a proportion, correct?

And one other thing - that 1 litre of unflavoured juice, does it have a good shelf life? Can I keep that for some time and start using it after I go through my stock. I am hoping that all the stuff I have will last for 1-2 years (this is what I read!)

Those are exactly what I was talking about. As far as percentage start low and adjust as needed. You will need to find an ejuice diy calculator. I like the one on ELR recipes site, free to join and has great tools and a beginner section full of good info. You can read reviews on the flavor list and discover many good recipes if you want to expand your flavor stash. Good people over there like on here, you'll recognize a few.

Base you can refrigerate or freeze. If you are regularly using it keep in fridge. Always let it come to room temperature before opening to avoid condensation inside the bottle. Most break down nic only into 120-240ml bottles. With premix I'd probably just keep the liter in fridge once in use. Freezer until then. Definitely break down just nic into smaller bottles, always use glass for storing nic. Most of us use amber Boston round glass with poly cone cap. Nothing you need to worry about right now. Since you will be using a base and one shots all you really need is a graduated cylinder or beaker and a 5ml syringe. Start washing and saving your juice bottles when empty to put your mixes in.
On another note...start small with 10ml mixes. Say the one shot recommends 20%. Mix a 10ml of 7%, 10%, 15% each. This will help you find your sweet spot and will be easier and economical to adjust to taste.

 

[K Ananthakrishnan]

@Letitia
Sorry more questions
1. "Break down nic" - I am not going to buy pure nic anyway right, its all premixed base? Maybe that was general advice
2. So I can freeze the 1 litre I buy now and then use it later on.
3. Things I need to buy other than the 1 litre and one shot concentrates - graduated container and 5 ml syringes.
What about empty bottles? - Empty dropper glass bottle ( 1 PC's ) | vapourscloud - is this cool?
And a 25 ml graduated cylinder should do right?
4. Your "on another note" - completely lost me !! I have the base and I have a one shot that says 20%. So what are 7%, 10% and 15% each referring to? Or all of this info is there on the ELR site and I do not need to bug you, if that is the case just let me know. I am going to read up !
And this site Liquid Flavor Concentrates PG VG Based Over 400 New and Exotic Flavors ships internationally and given that one shot concentrates are nic free I should be good to go. So would you recommend I get 2 litres of base or would one do for now? I want to buy it right now before the site decides not to see to a banned state
And its available cheaper too at Sorcerous Unflavoured Ejuices

On a totally unrelated note - I found this series from @tailland suggestion of Martin Oen videos.

He talks about hard wicking and he has some really good experimental evidence to back it up. Just wanted to know if you have been down this path. It sounds interesting and my ammit is ready for its rewick. But being cautious considering the leaks I had last time

 

[Letitia]

If you are sure you'll use the base buy the extra.

Percents are what percentage of flavor you use and what percentage of base to equal the amount you want to mix. So for a 10ml test mix
One shot 7% .70ml
Base 93% 11.73ml
Equals 10ml recipe of a 7% flavor mix.

You can buy bottles or wash and save the bottles you are using now. You could also ask your friend to save her bottles.

Martin has a thread or two here on ecf. Just type his name in the search bar. Personally I think he has good ideas but his equipment is too basic to prove/disprove said ideas. The type of wicking techniques he uses are more useful in rdas imo. I'm pretty dialed in on what works for me so I just experiment with different types of material, not technique.

Your questions are fine, don't hesitate to ask.

 

[K Ananthakrishnan]

@Letitia
OK got it. 7% flavour mix for 10 ml = .7 ml of flavour concentrate + 9.3 ml of base. Extrapolate as required based on the amount required.
Cool, that is fairly easy. So suppose I dont need more than a 25 ml graduated container, the other one I saw was 250 ml which is a bit much I thought! Unless I want to mix 100ml juice at one go.
All clear ma'am - will get the base and starter equipment for now, will order the concentrates after reading up some reviews etc, hopefully we have the sense not to ban them too

And tread with caution on the wicking - gotcha again

 

[Letitia]

Just stopped by to see how it's going. Did you get the Ammit dialed in @K Ananthakrishnan ?

 

[K Ananthakrishnan]

@Letitia
Sorry for not bringing any updates. Have not done any tinkering due to domestic woes. But I did rewick the ammit once. This time I got no leaking but I still dont get all the hype about its flavour. Maybe my taste abilities are all dead or my juice sucks or I dont know what flavour is
Nevertheless, there is still spit back. So my plan is to get that 4-5 wrap parallel coil and a 22g regular coil built. And experiment with those. The Intake on the other hand is behaving so well with that 1.23 coil. Its not chucking clouds or flavour but it is a no-nonsense hassle-free experience, so thats nice !
On other positive news, 2 litres of unflavoured juice has been delivered, they are now sitting inside my refrigerator (inside freezer!). Nothing to be done there for now, though I am curious - wont the thing solidify

Will update back on the new coils as soon as I get them done.

 

[K Ananthakrishnan]

So for a 10ml test mix
One shot 7% .70ml
Base 93% 11.73ml
Equals 10ml recipe of a 7% flavor mix.

You did mean 9.3 and not 11.73 right?

 

[Letitia]

You did mean 9.3 and not 11.73 right?

Was probably looking at grams column. You need to find a calculator to use. Ejuice me up is a popular calculator and also easy to use. Like ELR it is free to use.

 

[Letitia]

You might try a lower ohm coil for the Intake. Did you get the clapton wire?

 

[K Ananthakrishnan]

@Letitia
Indeed I did. I also got the coilology 7 in 1 set too. So you suggest I use a premade coil rather than build a parallel 4 wrap?
Regarding the ejuice DIY - I just thought its too simple as we are using one shot.
% recommended for that concentrate + the remaining as the unflavored base is all I had to do. No?

 

[Letitia]

@Letitia
Indeed I did. I also got the coilology 7 in 1 set too. So you suggest I use a premade coil rather than build a parallel 4 wrap?
Regarding the ejuice DIY - I just thought its too simple as we are using one shot.
% recommended for that concentrate + the remaining as the unflavored base is all I had to do. No?

Was just asking about the prebuilt coils.

If you're just using base+one shot you don't need the calculator but I would still advise using one, easier to keep notes there than bits of paper scattered around. You may also find that you like the one shot but you wish one of the flavors was more pronounced.

Most importantly do what works for you.

 

[stols001]

This may have been covered but if your base includes nic, keep it refrigerated. Even frozen depending on the amount you get, it will allow your nic to not degrade. I also refrigerate flavors but I live in a warm climate, normally cool and dark is good enough for flavors (including one shots) and they should last a decent amount of time.

I have a half full 2.5 gallon tub of VG that is over a year old, it has remained consistently fine. I don't refrigerate that, I don't have the space, but it really doesn't need to be refrigerated, again cool and dark does the trick.

Glad things are going well for you!

Anna

 

[Letitia]

@Letitia
Indeed I did. I also got the coilology 7 in 1 set too. So you suggest I use a premade coil rather than build a parallel 4 wrap?
Regarding the ejuice DIY - I just thought its too simple as we are using one shot.
% recommended for that concentrate + the remaining as the unflavored base is all I had to do. No?

One more thought, start low with flavor percentage. Companies always suggest high percentage, most are too high for the average vaper plus one shots are usually packed with sweetener.

 

[K Ananthakrishnan]

@Letitia
Feeling lazy
So pre built is tempting
I understand the advice about the mixing. Will certainly bear that in mind though I am not going to get into mixing now, intend to keep it in "frozen" storage until later!

@stols001
It most certainly did, @Letitia does not miss much in terms of advice
My 2 litres of unflavored juice is sitting snugly in the freezer. Given that I have no idea when I am going to get into DIY mixing, I intend to keep it frozen until I actually get around to it. And I am yet to shop for the one shot prmixes anyway, so in abeyance for now

 

[Letitia]

Lol
Use my prebuilt coils as often as I wrap. Probably more often actually. AVS runs great sales. Did just get a spool if tri core Ni80 wire in so will probably wrap a couple coils with it. Prefer the ss but sometimes the higher resistance with Ni80 provides a break in the routine.