Hello + questions

[VapinNationStation]

Hey im a new member this is my first post, and a rda/rta rookie.

Heres the questions,

I have a smok stick AIO and it was working fine for 2 months until I bought the .23 ohm coils for it, it worked fine the first day. The second day it seemed to charge too quickly but, I was ok with that. Now it dies on me after a couple puffs like literally 5-7 drags, and flashes the light, until I charge it again.

I think thats scary because the battery used to last me a half a day. So if its dying so quickly then it must be over charging or undercharging im not sure, the light always switches off before its taken off the charger infact it uses the same charger as my eleaf I just 2 and the eleaf works fine. I thought it was a coil issue but i have already swapped out 3 of them about to be 4 out of 5.

What should I do buy more coils and just see if those were just a bad bunch or just get a new vape? Been looking at the voopoo drag along with some rta or rda but im kind of confused on the rta/rda's can they take any ohm coil build aslong as the box mod can see it (like how voopoo drag is 0.05ohm to 3.0 ohm) or does it have its own regulation to go by?

 

[dangkhoa02106]

Something wrong with the charging components on the board (it can not complete a charging cycle) or the USB port is malfunction. You should buy another device for your safety.

 

[bombastinator]

Sorry...


But..... That means it's time to UPGRADE!!!

I concur. Might want to pick something other than smok this time around though. That thing shouldn’t have died in a mere 2 months. Smok is somewhat famous for questionable QC. They’re sort of the huffy bicycle of ecigs.

 

[Baditude]

I've been hoping someone like @Baditude Would pop in and link some battery spec charts...

Since the current topic is for regulated mods, I'm guessing you mean these?

With a regulated mod, coil resistance is irrelevant. What is relevant is the wattage setting that you will be using.

-If you use a good quality 15 amp CDR battery like the Samsung 30Q or Sony VTC6, then you are good up to 45 watts per battery; 90 watts using two; 135 watts for three batteries.

-If you use a good quality 20 amp CDR battery like the LG HG2 or Samsung 25R then you are good for 60 watts per battery. If using a 2-battery regulated mod, you're good for 120 watts as you have two batteries. If you are using a 3-battery mod, you're good for 180.

-If you use a single 25 amp CDR battery like the Sony VTC5A, then you are good for 75 watts per battery, 150 watts for two batteries, and 225 watts with three.

-If you use a single 30 amp CDR battery like the LG HB6 you are good up to 90 watts; with a pair of 30 amp CDR batteries you could safely do 180 watts.​

WATTAGE PER SINGLE BATTERY on REGULATED MOD:
(Wattage doubles with 2 batteries)

Up to 45W:

Samsung 18650 30Q, 3000 mah 15 amp CDR

Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15 amp CDR

Up to 60W:

LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR

LG 18650HE4 2500 mah 20 amp CDR

Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR

Sanyo UR18650NSX, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR

Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR

Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR

AW 18650 3000 mah 20 amp CDR

Up to 75W:

LG 18650 HD4 2100 mah 25 amp CDR

LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR

Samsung 18650-24S, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR

(new)
Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR

Up to 90W:

LG18650HB6 1500mah 30 amp CDR

LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR

LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR

Samsung 18650-20S 2000mah 30 amp CDR

(new)​

 

[bombastinator]

Im not totally sold on the mod not coils thing though i am not familiar with the particular device and i may be simply wrong here.

what ohm were the old coils? .23ohm coils require a lot of watts. its possible your mod is only just barely able to provide them at all and only when the mod is fully charged. Assuming your old coils were significantly higher ohm, you might try using one of the old coils and see if it still has a power issue. If yes, then your mod simply cant handle the .23ohm coil.

And welcome to the forum btw

 

[bombastinator]

Hahaha yea kinda a dissapointment but im gonna go with voopoo drag box mod hear alot about how good the ramp up is along with an rda, read around earlier and people say rda are the go to before rta's makes it easier to learn. Do rda's ohms only matter for the box mod? anywhere from 0.05 to 3.0 ohms?

Ohms always matter to some degree at least but they matter a lot more for mech mods. I personally would avoid a mech in your situation. The voodoo drag is a dual battery VW mod though so if you buy that ohms should matter very close to not at all.

 

[uthinkofsomething]

Definitely sounds like a prob with the mod not coils.
-And welcome to ecf!

 

[bombastinator]

The aio is being sold as direct output, output based on battery charge. That's like an ego, right?

So it has over charge and short protection then? I suppose that’s not so bad. Sounded like you were talking about a full on LiPo mech there. *shudder*

The low resistance atomizer theory is not necessarily discounted by it being that type of battery. It does imply the battery is getting old though and may need replacing purely on that basis. A battery shouldn’t wear out in just two months though... ok. I think I’m on board with bad mod.

 

[uthinkofsomething]

alrighty right on im going to order it.

Thanks everyone for helping you might have just saved a face and some teeth loll. The news had some horrible stories for awhile.

So. Here's the real saver. If you are about to learn to build you got a lotta research to do. Definitely learn about battery safety and output ratings. You have to know more for mech mods to be safe but battery output is very important even for regulated mods. And start simple. Learn what you like and how it works and WHY it works before going all in. Good luck.

 

[VapinNationStation]

ooooh yeeeaah thank you, you just saved me a ton of research on individual batteries

 

[stols001]

Well congrats on moving up the vaping ladder! I'm not a huge fan of unregulated, steady wattage output setups myself they are so much less flexible.

I'm glad you got good battery advice, and make sure to purchase from a recommended seller so you don't wind up with counterfeit batteries and etc.

These are both great blogs for battery safety and other issues, mooch's blog has a table listing cells he has tested and the last cell provides battery vendors who are known to sell authentics. You'll also want a good external charger, some good brands include Xtar, nitecore and Efest (charger, not batteries). You may want to purchase a couple pairs, so you can swap them out easily. It's generally not recommended to charge via USB in a dual battery box mod (you can in a pinch, but routinely, it's not a great idea, you can wear out your USB port and some mods, batteries can charge unevenly and etc.


https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/blogs/mooch.256958/

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/blog-entry/baditudes-blogs.7609/

Best of luck, and welcome to ECF! Congrats on switching to vaping that's fantastic. ;0

Anna

 

[BrotherBob]

What should I do buy more coils and just see if those were just a bad bunch or just get a new vape? Been looking at the voopoo drag along with some rta or rda but im kind of confused on the rta/rda's can they take any ohm coil build aslong as the box mod can see it (like how voopoo drag is 0.05ohm to 3.0 ohm) or does it have its own regulation to go by?

Welcome and glad you joined.
I would look seriously at RDA's. Nothing beats them for flavor.
Might like to read:
Drip Vaping: Your Guide to Dripping e-Juice | Vape-Resource.com
http://spinfuel.com/art-drip-guide-vaping/
(7) Information Resources for Your First RBA | E-Cigarette Forum
Atomizer vs. Cartomizer vs. Clearomizer. The Ultimate Guide
Rebuildable Tanks Explained: RBAs vs RDAs vs RTAs vs RDTAs
Wrapping Building Coils 101 For Beginners
http://www.geekayvapes.com/squonking-101/
I Love my RDA

 

[Coyote628]

I bought everything except the GeekVape medusa it was a rdta, dont wanna dabble in that yet, so i got a obs cheetah the first one. Also 4 of the LG HB6 30a just so then my batteries will be babbied because i doubt ill ever go past 100w lol.

Since you have this mod im just going to go ahead an ask, what ohm coil do u use, im thinking of doing .3 ohm 24 ga, ss, dual coil and just see how it goes from there, when i get it. It should be a cooler vape, if all goes as planned. So far im just doing tons of researching.

I used 28ga kanthal, twisted two strands. 7 wraps with 3mm inside diameter gave me .37ohms. Im hitting this with 90watts. Im getting a really flavorful vape and clouds that fog up the kitchen pretty quickly. Im using humble juice, smash mouth. This is kinda thick and sweet so i rewick about every 2 or 3 days. Btw, at 90w, the vape is warm but not overly so. But thats kinda the sweet spot for this particular juice.

 

[uthinkofsomething]

yeek! OK. I support ditching the mod on that basis alone.

The aio is being sold as direct output, output based on battery charge. That's like an ego, right?

 

[uthinkofsomething]

Does the wire matter in a rda? Is it allowed kanthal or ss? Im going to buy the coil master v3 kit and stay within 0.05 ohms and 3.0 ohms oh and use 24-26ga. along with a samsung inr 25r r5 from illumn because they dont rewrap. and if the mod has 2 batteries then those batteriess are then paired for life. I already have a efest luc v4 charger i bought when i had kanger subbox mini

Those are good batteries for up to at least 120 watts, forget specifics. Good to know you already have some info. The coilmaster kits are very useful. Kanthal is wattage mode only whereas SS can be used in temp control or "wattage" mode ( whatever the standard variable wattage/voltage mode on the voopoo ). There are differences in resistance between Ka1 and SS: I think ss is lower resistance for the same amount of wire? Kanthal is a little softer so easier to work with at times... Try a 24 gauge 7 wrap with 2.5 inner diameter, dual coil setup. That's my go to basic build.

 

[uthinkofsomething]

ok so after doing a little checkup on samsung inr 25 r5 they can go down to .15 ohms at 70w. Are there any batteries that will let me basically do whatever i want on the device safely, like build down to 0.05 to 3.0 ohm at 5-157w? Do i even need to go below .15 ohms or higher than 70w?

That's not the correct way to look at it. For a regulated mod you want to know the continuous discharge rating ( accurately, which not all manufacturers are truthful about ). IF the 25r does 25 amp cdr, in a one battery mod you are good using up to a certain amount of wattage, a two battery mod is double that, etc. Again, I forget the specifics...

 

[uthinkofsomething]

I've been hoping someone like @Baditude Would pop in and link some battery spec charts...

 

[uthinkofsomething]

Since the current topic is for regulated mods, I'm guessing you mean these?

With a regulated mod, coil resistance is irrelevant. What is relevant is the wattage setting that you will be using.

-If you use a good quality 15 amp CDR battery like the Samsung 30Q or Sony VTC6, then you are good up to 45 watts per battery; 90 watts using two; 135 watts for three batteries.

-If you use a good quality 20 amp CDR battery like the LG HG2 or Samsung 25R then you are good for 60 watts per battery. If using a 2-battery regulated mod, you're good for 120 watts as you have two batteries. If you are using a 3-battery mod, you're good for 180.

-If you use a single 25 amp CDR battery like the Sony VTC5A, then you are good for 75 watts per battery, 150 watts for two batteries, and 225 watts with three.

-If you use a single 30 amp CDR battery like the LG HB6 you are good up to 90 watts; with a pair of 30 amp CDR batteries you could safely do 180 watts.​

WATTAGE PER SINGLE BATTERY on REGULATED MOD:
(Wattage doubles with 2 batteries)

Up to 45W:

Samsung 18650 30Q, 3000 mah 15 amp CDR

Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15 amp CDR

Up to 60W:

LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR

LG 18650HE4 2500 mah 20 amp CDR

Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR

Sanyo UR18650NSX, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR

Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR

Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR

AW 18650 3000 mah 20 amp CDR

Up to 75W:

LG 18650 HD4 2100 mah 25 amp CDR

LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR

Samsung 18650-24S, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR

Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR

Up to 90W:

LG18650HB6 1500mah 30 amp CDR

LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR

LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR

Samsung 18650-20S 2000mah 30 amp CDR

(new)​

Totally. Thank you!!

 

[MJCSD]

Hello and welcome to ecf

 

[VapinNationStation]

Something wrong with the charging components on the board (it can not complete a charging cycle) or the USB port is malfunction. You should buy another device for your safety.

Alright that's what I was thinking thank you.