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This is what I had to do within days of starting vaping as something in the liquid did not agree with me. Vaped only plain VG one day and then plain PG the next. I soon discovered the culprit was VG. I had my last smoke over 3 years ago now. It cost me all of 15-16 bucks to eliminate the culprit. Money well spent imho.
It's your choice OP, you are the one that will face the consequences of your actions/choices. We all do. Good luck. Cheers.
I am choosing to respond here to a couple PM's I received from @Flaguy50 about this issue so anybody following this thread can arrive at their own conclusions. And I don't particularly care to involve myself in a private discussion given the context of those PM's.
I will only say that the body of those messages hints strongly that you are anti-vaping or at least confine your research to information supporting that position. For instance, your (or is it your doctor's????) opinion that vaping is as bad as sniffing paint since propylene glycol is an additive to paints. You might consider examining the difference between pharmaceutical grade and industrial grade propylene glycol!
I won't bother going any further into the misinformation you included as that in and of itself told me all I need to know. But taking everything into consideration, I choose to totally disregard all of your postings as meaningless drivel and will ignore any further dialogue with you.
Read/see this or not, I really don't care. Enjoy you smokes.
I will only say that the body of those messages hints strongly that you are anti-vaping or at least confine your research to information supporting that position. For instance, your (or is it your doctor's????) opinion that vaping is as bad as sniffing paint since propylene glycol is an additive to paints. You might consider examining the difference between pharmaceutical grade and industrial grade propylene glycol!
I won't bother going any further into the misinformation you included as that in and of itself told me all I need to know. But taking everything into consideration, I choose to totally disregard all of your postings as meaningless drivel and will ignore any further dialogue with you.
Read/see this or not, I really don't care. Enjoy you smokes.
I completely disagree with you , and I kinda believe unless your a doctor of 35+ year I would like to think he would know more then u or i , number 2 your response clearly In forces the negative Google reviews of this forum
I shared a neg experience and automatically I'm this and I'm that . What I shared with you in a pm was a product fact sheet , the facts about PG in paint and of course what did u do u discarded it sir , while taking no time to clearly research it yourself . It stead you took it n yourself to post your response in an open topic , again now I see what all the neg Google reviews of this forum are true fact because now it's being done to me . I'm anti vape I'm this I'm that , we'll let me say sir your foolish if you believe that this product is fine for everyone, your also foolish if you think that this product is of safe use with zero long term studies etc etc . My opinion I have read around some topics on this forum and have come to the conclusion that it's all garbage cigs , vaping it's all the same in one way or another if it's not air in your lungs it's garbage and that is something u can't deny , you spoke with great elegance putting me down attempting to offend me because of the issues I posted you proved my point clearly . This indeed is a very biased forum IMO , and it's only helpful only and I say ONLY if a person has had success with this stuff . Clearly if a person has had problem this isn't the first place to go for help
Either see a medical professional or just leave it alone . This forum clearly isn't the place .
Have a wonderful day . And as you said to me sir best of luck to u . U have clearly proven my point .
I shared a neg experience and automatically I'm this and I'm that . What I shared with you in a pm was a product fact sheet , the facts about PG in paint and of course what did u do u discarded it sir , while taking no time to clearly research it yourself . It stead you took it n yourself to post your response in an open topic , again now I see what all the neg Google reviews of this forum are true fact because now it's being done to me . I'm anti vape I'm this I'm that , we'll let me say sir your foolish if you believe that this product is fine for everyone, your also foolish if you think that this product is of safe use with zero long term studies etc etc . My opinion I have read around some topics on this forum and have come to the conclusion that it's all garbage cigs , vaping it's all the same in one way or another if it's not air in your lungs it's garbage and that is something u can't deny , you spoke with great elegance putting me down attempting to offend me because of the issues I posted you proved my point clearly . This indeed is a very biased forum IMO , and it's only helpful only and I say ONLY if a person has had success with this stuff . Clearly if a person has had problem this isn't the first place to go for help
Either see a medical professional or just leave it alone . This forum clearly isn't the place .
Have a wonderful day . And as you said to me sir best of luck to u . U have clearly proven my point .
The fact that they might use PG as additive to paint means nothing in terms of how (un)healthy it is when it's used as a carrier for vaping or whatever.
Think about it - just because you read that they used water in rat poison - would you then presume that consuming water must have the same effects as consuming rat poison? Of course not - that'd be a very silly argument to make.
As I posted before, PG is used as a propellant in pharmaceuticals, including asthma inhalers and the like - it is also commonly used as an additive to hospital air systems because of its antimicrobial properties.
Do you really think that the medical consensus on PG is that it's harmful to inhale? It certainly doesn't seem so, from the evidence, does it?
And, as Hitmetwice posted up the thread - you could find out for yourself in a day or two exactly what you're sensitive to, if anything for less than USD$15 or so by ordering some pharmaceutical-grade PG and VG from Amazon and vaping them until you discover what does what. Hitmetwice discovered that they didn't get on with VG, so now presumably vapes PG or PG-heavy juice just fine. This is quite an unusual case, as most people who are sensitive to one or the other find that it's PG that they react to.
Think about it - just because you read that they used water in rat poison - would you then presume that consuming water must have the same effects as consuming rat poison? Of course not - that'd be a very silly argument to make.
As I posted before, PG is used as a propellant in pharmaceuticals, including asthma inhalers and the like - it is also commonly used as an additive to hospital air systems because of its antimicrobial properties.
Do you really think that the medical consensus on PG is that it's harmful to inhale? It certainly doesn't seem so, from the evidence, does it?
And, as Hitmetwice posted up the thread - you could find out for yourself in a day or two exactly what you're sensitive to, if anything for less than USD$15 or so by ordering some pharmaceutical-grade PG and VG from Amazon and vaping them until you discover what does what. Hitmetwice discovered that they didn't get on with VG, so now presumably vapes PG or PG-heavy juice just fine. This is quite an unusual case, as most people who are sensitive to one or the other find that it's PG that they react to.
That's correct Dirt u do that sir and prove my valid point .
OMG !! He is sharing something neg about his vaping experience
Attack !! Attack !!! Insult !!! Put him down !! He's an idiot him and his doctor know nothing , are u totally for real ? Are u implying u know more then a medical professional seriously ? Everyone
Drive him from the forum because he is sharing his neg experience.
Prove my point .
Don't worry Olderndirt , soon a mod will see this and prob deactivate my membership or delete the hole topic in order to hide it , u know it and I know it . Just being real about it .
Again have a great day .
OMG !! He is sharing something neg about his vaping experience
Attack !! Attack !!! Insult !!! Put him down !! He's an idiot him and his doctor know nothing , are u totally for real ? Are u implying u know more then a medical professional seriously ? Everyone
Drive him from the forum because he is sharing his neg experience.
Prove my point .
Don't worry Olderndirt , soon a mod will see this and prob deactivate my membership or delete the hole topic in order to hide it , u know it and I know it . Just being real about it .
Again have a great day .
Thanks Continuity , for clearifying that actual PG or VG sensitivity is real
Thanks .
However I never noted weather it was 1 or the other causing the issues
Or flavoring ingredients,
All I said was this was my experience
That's it . But at least it has been clarified sensitivity problems do indeed exist with the use of these products
Thanks .
Thanks .
However I never noted weather it was 1 or the other causing the issues
Or flavoring ingredients,
All I said was this was my experience
That's it . But at least it has been clarified sensitivity problems do indeed exist with the use of these products
Thanks .
Welcome to ECF and Congrats on taking the first steps to better health. ECF is a great place to build your foundation for quitting
Best wishes and enjoy the journey
Best wishes and enjoy the journey
You see Mr. Flaguy50, fact is most of us here DO know more than your doctor....About Vaping!
We have researched extensively, for the most part and actually use the devices. Many/most of us would not take any 1 persons word on the subject before starting to vape, we do our due diligence first.
Taking any advice from someone and yes even a trained professional, your doctor, that has likely spent at tops 30 minutes reading sensational headlines on the topic is not prudent in making such an important decision that has the potential to improve and extend your life as vaping offers us all. Cheers.
We have researched extensively, for the most part and actually use the devices. Many/most of us would not take any 1 persons word on the subject before starting to vape, we do our due diligence first.
Taking any advice from someone and yes even a trained professional, your doctor, that has likely spent at tops 30 minutes reading sensational headlines on the topic is not prudent in making such an important decision that has the potential to improve and extend your life as vaping offers us all. Cheers.
I really didn't appreciate the neg response I received from a neg experience, if I had a neg experience from the use of these products well
Sorry , it happens .
I'm still interested in getting off cigs and like many others I have tried and failed in the past , but to be attacked and that's how I took it for posting a Neg experience, u call that help .
Plus just a note : my doctors office was involved in a case study involving these products not long ago , so I think they may know alittle about the topic .
I was here asking questions because I honestly didn't know what was happening and if other had the same issues , and when I posted the neg experience bang it was attack !! Time because I dared say something neg about these products and yes that's how it was taken . Plus then I was labeled .. Seriously ?
There are even google posts that talk about just this very thing ppl having neg experience on this forum for neg posting . Just saying is all
Sorry , it happens .
I'm still interested in getting off cigs and like many others I have tried and failed in the past , but to be attacked and that's how I took it for posting a Neg experience, u call that help .
Plus just a note : my doctors office was involved in a case study involving these products not long ago , so I think they may know alittle about the topic .
I was here asking questions because I honestly didn't know what was happening and if other had the same issues , and when I posted the neg experience bang it was attack !! Time because I dared say something neg about these products and yes that's how it was taken . Plus then I was labeled .. Seriously ?
There are even google posts that talk about just this very thing ppl having neg experience on this forum for neg posting . Just saying is all
Hello all 
(Hope I'm doing this right) Firstly, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the possibility of a VG sensitivity. I personally experienced these types of symptoms when I first started vaping. It went away when I switched to all VG liquids. (I was a non smoker who learned that nicotine helps some of my symptoms from Chron's disease and short gut syndrome- so there was no withdrawal/transition period for me)
So now I have my own question and hope it's ok to ask as part of this thread.
I'm working with a manufacturer in China to develop a product for my mom, who currently smokes a whole carton of analogue cigarettes in 3 days. As an older lady, set in her ways, I chose the "800 puffs disposable" form factor to keep it as simple and familiar for her as possible. Her arthritic hands wouldn't let her mess with tanks, coils, vials, eye droppers, etc. even if the complexity of most refillable systems weren't enough to discourage her. She's willing to give it A TRY; I'm trying to create the perfect product for her before her first go because she's not likely to try again if she doesn't enjoy her first experience.
I wanted to go all VG to avoid any potential PG sensitivities that I have. The manufacturer explained that 65/35 was the highest % VG that this form factor can handle due to viscosity issues. That's fine. The problem is that when she smokes she takes long slow "drags" from her cigarette. When I puff for more than a second the flavor gets a bad burnt taste.
I don't know what to ask the manufacturer to do to mitigate this problem. My contact and I speak different languages and rely on translation software. I can give him specific instruction but asking him what needs to change seems to get lost in the process. The specs provided doesn't tell me the strength of the electric current and electricity is not a subject I know much about, but it seems to me that if they could turn down the current she could puff longer before the liquid started to burn. Can anyone tell me what I need to tell the manufacturer to get this changed?
Also, they work with three different eliquid flavoring suppliers: Hangsen, Feellife, and Ugreen liquid so if anyone has experience with these companies I would love to know what you think.
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!
JennaCas
(Hope I'm doing this right) Firstly, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the possibility of a VG sensitivity. I personally experienced these types of symptoms when I first started vaping. It went away when I switched to all VG liquids. (I was a non smoker who learned that nicotine helps some of my symptoms from Chron's disease and short gut syndrome- so there was no withdrawal/transition period for me)
So now I have my own question and hope it's ok to ask as part of this thread.
I'm working with a manufacturer in China to develop a product for my mom, who currently smokes a whole carton of analogue cigarettes in 3 days. As an older lady, set in her ways, I chose the "800 puffs disposable" form factor to keep it as simple and familiar for her as possible. Her arthritic hands wouldn't let her mess with tanks, coils, vials, eye droppers, etc. even if the complexity of most refillable systems weren't enough to discourage her. She's willing to give it A TRY; I'm trying to create the perfect product for her before her first go because she's not likely to try again if she doesn't enjoy her first experience.
I wanted to go all VG to avoid any potential PG sensitivities that I have. The manufacturer explained that 65/35 was the highest % VG that this form factor can handle due to viscosity issues. That's fine. The problem is that when she smokes she takes long slow "drags" from her cigarette. When I puff for more than a second the flavor gets a bad burnt taste.
I don't know what to ask the manufacturer to do to mitigate this problem. My contact and I speak different languages and rely on translation software. I can give him specific instruction but asking him what needs to change seems to get lost in the process. The specs provided doesn't tell me the strength of the electric current and electricity is not a subject I know much about, but it seems to me that if they could turn down the current she could puff longer before the liquid started to burn. Can anyone tell me what I need to tell the manufacturer to get this changed?
Also, they work with three different eliquid flavoring suppliers: Hangsen, Feellife, and Ugreen liquid so if anyone has experience with these companies I would love to know what you think.
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!
JennaCas
It sounds like you have chosen one of the 'cigalike' products, which are considered by most to be '1st generation' devices these days, with very short battery life and expensive cartridges that don't hold anywhere *near* the equivalent number of cigarettes that the sellers claim.
For your Mum, there are some modern vaping devices that are more sleek and cigarette-like in their hand-feel and vape-feel like the Innokin Endura:
and the eGo AIO:
You can get these as kits for around USD$25 or so, and they can handle high-VG juice.
PG/VG sensitivity is quite rare (but not unknown, obviously) amongst vapers, and it's quite probable that your Mum can tolerate PG just fine - you shouldn't rule it out as part of your Mum's vaping as PG is a superior flavour carrier, provides the satisfying 'throat hit' and is more viscous, which allows it to wick better, making coils and wicks last longer, and preventing 'dry hits' a lot better.
For your Mum, there are some modern vaping devices that are more sleek and cigarette-like in their hand-feel and vape-feel like the Innokin Endura:
and the eGo AIO:
You can get these as kits for around USD$25 or so, and they can handle high-VG juice.
PG/VG sensitivity is quite rare (but not unknown, obviously) amongst vapers, and it's quite probable that your Mum can tolerate PG just fine - you shouldn't rule it out as part of your Mum's vaping as PG is a superior flavour carrier, provides the satisfying 'throat hit' and is more viscous, which allows it to wick better, making coils and wicks last longer, and preventing 'dry hits' a lot better.
Hey thanks for the quick and thoughtful reply!
Innokin Endura and eGo AIO both look like devices that need to be refilled. These are not suitable for her.
Without reposting the entire question- I really need advice on how to keep the liquid from burning in this prefilled device. The manufacturer is happy to work with me but I don't know enough about electricity to ask a Chinese native speaker how to reduce the current so my mom can drag longer for each vape. Do I ask for lower Watts? Volts? Ohms???
Innokin Endura and eGo AIO both look like devices that need to be refilled. These are not suitable for her.
Without reposting the entire question- I really need advice on how to keep the liquid from burning in this prefilled device. The manufacturer is happy to work with me but I don't know enough about electricity to ask a Chinese native speaker how to reduce the current so my mom can drag longer for each vape. Do I ask for lower Watts? Volts? Ohms???
Perhaps. We've seen a lot of faulty studies around here. Just because someone has "credentials" doesn't make the study valid, nor does it make those involved knowledgeable. There are some who are dedicated to discrediting e-cigarettes by any means possible, including skewed studies with improper methodology and bogus results.
So titles don't really mean much here. What does matter is whether the study was properly conducted and the results portrayed properly.
You certainly don't have to get some manufacturer to make some custom runs of something to find a device suitable for your mother to use - there will be a device, or combination of devices out there that will suit, you'll just have to find it.
It sounds like you're Mum's getting 'dry hits' from probably the juice being too thick to wick quickly enough, this can be fixed by using more PG, a drop or two of added water, or using a better wicking material.
Using a lower wattage, or a higher resistance coil will lower the heat of the coil and allow a longer drag.
What device exactly is it that she's trying to use?
It sounds like you're Mum's getting 'dry hits' from probably the juice being too thick to wick quickly enough, this can be fixed by using more PG, a drop or two of added water, or using a better wicking material.
Using a lower wattage, or a higher resistance coil will lower the heat of the coil and allow a longer drag.
What device exactly is it that she's trying to use?
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