help a newb with a dream.

[Vinv]

Well ... I finally broke and registered after a few weeks of intense reading about the wonderful thing that is the ecig.

Had my doubts at first! being a 7 years ,1 pack a day kind of guy but after reading about the science behind it it all makes sense now. kinda. this is where I require help because not everything is so obvious im afraid. hope I would fit in!

anyway. I got a eGo-C kit and didn't like it. maybe because I got ahead of myself and ordered a Stardust CE4 clearomiser with it ... The bat is around 3.4v with a generic atomiser inside ( I doubt it is LR ) , Being a heavy smoker I love a little bite ... but I also love tons of smoke. smoke everywhere. smoke is magic. That's my life's moto based on a misspent youth [FONT=arial, sans-serif]but what ever.

I imagine I dont get enough watt's to the atomiser and the smoke sucks. the bite is horrible and stingy and kinda dry etc etc , the liquid is some commercial juice ... the regular problems we all newbs face you know ..

So because I'm kinda serious with this fake steam based smoke sorcery , I bought stuff!

Mainly Got a Phiniac Clear pyrex glass tank with stainless steel caps upgrade . Titanium drip tip. cartomiser hole punching... something ( no clue haha ) . and I thought I would stick it to a regulated eGo Swirl bat ( 3.3V - 4.7v ) with 510 connections.

Also done some research on e-liquid and decided to control my own taste so got some 200 ml Angelic Decadence + flavours ( had no clue. got all of em ) + 200 ml Glycol etc etc... from Decadent vapours to create my own juice. the cost per ml according to my calculations is much lower then buying made one , Even with expensive juice like this , and you can control nicotine levels and PG\VG ratios. sounds good.

Now I need help on what should I do next , Should I get that eGo bat like I wanted to ? .. is it possible to "build" my own cartos ? I mean all I need is a atomiser inside a hollow cone with holes ( That's why I need the carto hole punching thingy right ? ) and get my own wicks ... I have no need of filler because of the tank , correct ?

I really dont want to waste that equipment on some low performance atomiser \ cartomiser .. because They are the heart of the system.
Read alot about "cisco" types and had no clue what I was reading...

so please , Leave your suggestions so I can share my experiances in the not-so-far future and stuff ! [/FONT][FONT=arial, sans-serif]

Edit : If anyone wondered about the availability of information on the subject. IT IS vast. and very confusing , There is no 1 good guide to rule them all as far as I've seen. But the guide from the wonderful world of vaping was very good. I got all my information about the entire subject from reading and not from 3rd parties.

VERY HARD to find complete information relating to the type of fittings ( 510 , 808? .. etc )
or to even understand these are fittings and not something else.

"rebuilding" guides about what connects where and when and how , from 3 part systems to 2 part systems. some infographic would be nice ... I know there are videos .. But there are millions!

These are the main areas information is lacking im my opinion. If anyone cares that is

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[B2L]

Welcome to the wonderful world of vaping! It can all be overwhelming but take it one day at a time and enjoy the journey. I would reccomend getting some Boge cartos, punch them and use them with the Phiniac tank along with your current batt while continuing to research. ECF is a great place for that, just remember that my taste/ experience may be far different from yours so trial and error is part of the learning curve. PBusardo has a great site with lots of reviews and tutorial videos which can show you how to punch a carto, fill a tank, etc. Here is a link

Taste Your Juice | Can I Taste Your Juice?

Much great info there, spend some time watching his vids and check out the getting started section. As always feel free to ask any questions here on ECF. Once again welcome and enjoy the journey!

 

[ShogaNinja]

Sounds like you desperately need to read the Vaper's Handbook. It'll answer a lot of your questions and if you have any more PLEASE PM me and I will gladly add them to the Vaper's Handbook.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/shoganinja/2998-vapers-handbook.html

To quickly answer your main question voltage is only part of the equation when it comes to vapor production. The mix of your juice (more VG = more vapor) plays a factor as well, but if it gets beyond 70/30 PG/VG you're going to have serious wicking issues/dry hits in cartos, and top feeding CE+ type tank clearomizers. If you got into DIY you could even make 100% VG juice that is thinned out with distilled water (usually around 7%) as thinning commercial juice could be disastrous to the nicotine content and flavor concentration. The other factor is resistance. If you raise your voltage too high you'll just get more heat. What you need to do to get a satisfying vape is find the right balance, your sweet spot. If you have an atomizer (of whatever type) in the right voltage to resistance ratio you will get a lot more vapor. Raising or lowering this ratio will only increase or decrease the heat respectively. If you go too far outside of the ratio, too high will just give you a reckless throat hit and burn out your atomizer coil much faster, if you go too low you'll lose a significant amount of your vapor. Because you have a regular ego battery and cannot change your voltage (3.6v) that number is going to be about 1.7ohms for you, which just so happens to be the resistance of a smoketech 1.7ohm single coil cartomizer, aka the Resurrector. Instead of using cartos which taste pretty bad, I recommend you just read the Vaper's Handbook and follow my advice there to find your sweet spot.

 

[Vinv]

Thank you both for the welcome. I thought about rebuilding my eGo-C 1000mah bat as a second smoker for outside ( maybe stick a stardust clearo on it with the changeable atomisers and long wicks ... for that slick look and "ok" smoke. ) .

While getting the VV eGo twist bat and with that bat rebuild a quality home-smoker with the phiniac tank and expensive atomisers , Thought about cisco AERO 510 but I just dont understand why some atomisers look like a shotgun slug while others look like small thingies with wicks sticking out of them ... but I've probably missed something.

This is my general direction I figure... Because I've read that filler material ruins the flavour ,So I think the tank method is better because there is no filler. As far as I know I can take a "shutgun slug" looking type of atomiser , punch it , wick it , and attach it to the bat. then on top of that I place the tank , and then attach the drip tip . is that the correct procedure ?

Edit : says I dont have permission to view that guide

 

[Kay1959]

If you take a plain atomizer and punch a hole in it with a carto punch, you are going to get leaking BIG time! Because attys don't have filler to hold the juice from leaking. There are some atty/tanks in the making, but most aren't out yet. I do know there is the reactor tank. These have two small holes in them, and there is just enough filler around the holes to help keep it from leaking.

The Reactor Tank and Accessories

I 'created' an atty tank using a Phiniac tank. Here is what I got.

NEW Pre-dotted Atomizers for the Reactor Tank

Drip Tips | Universal |306 | 510 | Cherry Vape
I got this because the atty itself is too short to work in a regular sized Phiniac tank.

 

[SissySpike]

Glad your here I done some of the same stuff you've done also. DIY juice is a learned art. Please read all you can about safety nicotine at that level can cause serious damage. It is a poison and should be handled with respect. You should look in to Mods or Pv. You put rechargeable batteries in to them. Get you a Veritable Voltage one. IF you want quality Id recommend a American made one. Egos are disposable. Mods you just have to replace the battery's every so often.
Cartomizers don't mute the flavor very much and they are your most convent method. I have a reactor tank and like it alot. So that is a good suggestion. Nhaler has a single coil atty for reactor that will work in a Phiniac.
510 is the most used connection out there. There are adapters if you want to use an accessory on a 510 that is a different thread.

You are now Vaping no smoke involved my friend. Good luck and enjoy your adventures!

 

[Vinv]

Buzzzlove I see you have plenty of hardware by your sig
What would You recommend out of the VV bats ? I didn't know the eGo bats are disposable , I thought they are the highest quality bats out there , perhaps I was mislead.

Also , Should I get this "Universal" as Kay said ? Seems like I should for more options...

According to Phiniac these are the ones that fit fine :
-Standard 510 Boge
-801 Fusion (regular size)
-Bud Carto
-Royalsmokers CE2 (standard size)
-Kanger Horizontal Coiled Cartos

Alot of positive feedback on those BOGE thingies , Guess I'll get some of those with a recommended VV bat and be done with it

Concerning the Liquids , I understand these are actually poisons So I got some guides here :
- http://www.c9v-forum.com/Resources/Calc/calc.htm
- http://www.be9.net/decadentvapours/Mixing guide.pdf

I like the Decadent Vapours official mixing guide , Looks pro.

 

[Kay1959]

The eGo batteries last anywhere from 6 months to one year. I think what Buzz was saying was, when they go bad, you throw the whole battery away. With a mod, the battery comes out of the device, and you just throw the battery away, and not the device. Also those types of batteries are cheaper to replace than a whole new eGo battery.

You only need THAT Universal drip tip with THAT atty in a Phiniac tank. I didn't mean to make it sounds like you HAD to get that tip with regular cartos. I normally use regular Boge cartos in a regular sized Phiniac tank. You will need some drip tips though. Dosen't matter what type, as long as it fits the top of your carto...510.

 

[Vinv]

Thanks! And if I dont like the boge 510 , can I simple replace that one with one of the following ? :
-801 Fusion (regular size)
-Bud Carto
-Royalsmokers CE2 (standard size)
-Kanger Horizontal Coiled Cartos

I think the most logical thing for me is to read the reviews about 'em or get 1 of each ...

Add the drip tip and it's smoke ready ? So Atomisers are not meant to be used with "tank" systems ? only cartomisers that suck fluid from a tank ? why some of them have small holes in them ?

Thanks for the help! I have one last question please Refer to this picture :
http://phiniac.com/avactis-images/u/reg-fusion.jpg

This shows the fusion 801 atomiser in a phiniac tank , This one (http://www.ikenvape.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PGLD510CS) , they say it fits perfectly but I dont get it. So question is , I dont see where the liquid in the tank would go ? should I puncture a Hole somewhere in the atomiser and use wicks ? how does it work ?

I wish to use this type of convertor (http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.co...01-silver-adapter510-batt-to-801-product.html) on an eGo C 1000mah bat. and slip the tank on it with the titanium drip tip that should fit.

Does the atomiser comes with a "cone" sleeve that holds the juice ? that I can replace with the tank ? so complicated ..

 

[ShogaNinja]

I'm pretty sure Ego batteries last 300 charges, after that the voltage will drop down by ~.1v permanently and then more soon after that until it's worthless. When it gets to a certain point the safety chip in the battery won't even let it charge any more. If you rotate 2 batteries, charging every other day then you should get about a year and 8 months out of them.