Help necessary for someone who just cannot grasp the DIY thing

[Foggy]

DIY videos on youtube for the ob:

DIY E-Juice How to Mix and Fix E-juice

Totally Wicked ELiquid Cookbook

DiY Mixing Revisited Ejuice Calculator

FlavourArt Mixing Tips Tutorial

I haven't watched any. No idea of the quality of the content. If you search youtube for DIY e juice you'll find many more.

 

[canoeist]

OB - It may be easier for you to make 30ml with no flavoring then use that to mix your small batches with flavoring.

It is easier to make a 30 ml bottle than it is to make 10 individual 3ml bottles. You are trying to find what you like so the small amount of flavor you add to a 3ml premixed bottle will not change the pg/vg percentage or the nic level enough to matter.

 

[LibertariaNate]

Hoosier and LibertariaNate,

Very interesting. Your approach is very similar to what the-ob plans to do. Why did you guys let me continue to jabber on? Did you not see me ask for someone with more experience to come along and correct me?

Yours is certainly a logical method, but it also sounds boring!

Technically, I'm sure it's correct. But me, you know, I'm creating, I'ma cooking my juice! I'm making cinnamon buns with icing out of liquid in a jar! No cook tests only her flour to make buns!

grumble..grumble...I'll try to shut up now and learn something.....

Edit: I neglected to say that I very much appreciate the replies! I will endeavor one day to have enough discipline to try this.

Yeah... being able to replicate recipes you like is soooo boring.

 

[LibertariaNate]

OB - It may be easier for you to make 30ml with no flavoring then use that to mix your small batches with flavoring.

It is easier to make a 30 ml bottle than it is to make 10 individual 3ml bottles. You are trying to find what you like so the small amount of flavor you add to a 3ml premixed bottle will not change the pg/vg percentage or the nic level enough to matter.

Agreed...

I mix 4 oz bottles of PG/VG in the ratio i prefer (70/30) with no nic and use that when I'm testing flavors. Makes it very simple.

 

[Foggy]

Yeah... being able to replicate recipes you like is soooo boring.

Hey now! I have started a recipe book, I tell you! I even wrote down on the fly adjustments to the mix I made yesterday.

Seriously though, I'm glad the adults have shown up now.

 

[Hoosier]

Why did you guys let me continue to jabber on

Technically, I'm sure it's correct. But me, you know, I'm creating, I'ma cooking my juice! I'm making cinnamon buns with icing out of liquid in a jar! No cook tests only her flour to make buns!

grumble..grumble...I'll try to shut up now and learn something.....

First, when Ms. F. Day is talking, I just let her go. I like to watch her even if it is just flappin' her gums. (Could be why the girlfriend, now wife, would not let me talk to Ms. Day when I had a chance to?)

You don't feel your flour? You don't smell each spice? You don't take a bit and roll it around in your mouth before heating it up? My grandmother taught me better than that. Cooking is all about feel and smell and the taste will follow. I don't use measuring equipment when I cook, but I do when I mix. (The wife doesn't understand how anyone could cook without measuring equipment of any kind so she thinks it is some way that I have to keep her from ever making some of my dishes. Although on one she made me give her each ingredient so she could measure it and record it so she could make it herself, but she really, really wanted to make it someday.)

 

[LibertariaNate]

Hey now! I have started a recipe book, I tell you! I even wrote down on the fly adjustments to the mix I made yesterday.

Seriously though, I'm glad the adults have shown up now.

I (silently) learned from the master. Haven't said it yet, but thanks, Hoosier! Your blog and other posts have been an invaluable tool for me.

 

[Hoosier]

I (silently) learned from the master. Haven't said it yet, but thanks, Hoosier! Your blog and other posts have been an invaluable tool for me.

Thank you. You managed to put "master" and "tool" in the same paragraph and didn't even get close to insulting me. That's a new one...

I'm just glad the blog is helping folks and silent is fine by me. (I was wondering how it got ranked in the Best Blogs without seeing much activity myself.)

 

[the ob]

OB - It may be easier for you to make 30ml with no flavoring then use that to mix your small batches with flavoring.

It is easier to make a 30 ml bottle than it is to make 10 individual 3ml bottles. You are trying to find what you like so the small amount of flavor you add to a 3ml premixed bottle will not change the pg/vg percentage or the nic level enough to matter.

so what are you saying?

You want me to mix a 30 ml bottle of just PG/VG at the percentage I want?

Then how do I mix that with my flavor?

I cannot find a calculator that will show me what the mix should be on a 30 ml bottle at 70/30.

its like each day I am going backwards........

 

[canoeist]

30 x .70 = 21
30 x .30 = 9

If you mix 1 bottle, it will prevent you from having to measure to get 70/30 in each of your small sample bottles. You can then use however much of the premixed you want in a sample bottle. At that point, you should be able to "pour" 3ml rather than measuring it. You could then measure the flavor you put in the 3ml bottle.

 

[LibertariaNate]

Thank you. You managed to put "master" and "tool" in the same paragraph and didn't even get close to insulting me. That's a new one...

I'm just glad the blog is helping folks and silent is fine by me. (I was wondering how it got ranked in the Best Blogs without seeing much activity myself.)

That's good because I didn't want to come close to insulting you. As for "Best Blog", with lolady MIA someone had to pick up the slack. I miss lolady.

 

[the ob]

30 x .70 = 21
30 x .30 = 9

If you mix 1 bottle, it will prevent you from having to measure to get 70/30 in each of your small sample bottles. You can then use however much of the premixed you want in a sample bottle. At that point, you should be able to "pour" 3ml rather than measuring it. You could then measure the flavor you put in the 3ml bottle.

thanks. then to get the %'s How much flavor should go into each 3ml bottle? I mean for 5, 10, 15. 20%

Once again, I would use a calculator, but they make me put in nic numbers.

 

[Hoosier]

5%=0.05 so for a 3ml batch 3ml*0.05=0.15ml of flavoring. The rest, 3ml-0.15ml=2.85ml, is the PG/VG mix.
10%=0.10 so for a 3ml batch 3ml*0.10=0.30ml of flavoring. The rest, 3ml-0.30ml=2.7ml, is the PG/VG mix.

I'm going to assume the rest of the math can be inferred from the above...

 

[the ob]

5%=0.05 so for a 3ml batch 3ml*0.05=0.15ml of flavoring. The rest, 3ml-0.15ml=2.85ml, is the PG/VG mix.
10%=0.10 so for a 3ml batch 3ml*0.10=0.30ml of flavoring. The rest, 3ml-0.30ml=2.7ml, is the PG/VG mix.

I'm going to assume the rest of the math can be inferred from the above...

with me, I would not "infer" anything

What I am going to do is this. Mix batches of PG/VG only. I am using the calculator and where it says "nic base" I am putting 70% (this is my PG only base) I am then putting 30% in the "water and other" category. I am then doing different calculations based on 5, 10, 15 and 20%.

THe reason the pre-mixed 70/30 does not make sense to me is that the flavor seems like it will throw it off. Am I wrong about that?

 

[Hoosier]

I premix my PG/VG. I have 3 different bottles of different ratios. I do not worry about the math for the final PG/VG ratio. It is like squabbling over a penny while quarters are rolling by. I'd rather spend my time at the mixing table mixing rather than worrying that my final PG/VG ratio is actually 68/32 and how to correct such a meaningless number.

I worry about nicotine content first and taste/flavoring ratio next. How much the flavoring throws off the PG/VG ratio is like arguing that the shade of brown in the kitchen doesn't match the shade of brown in the bathroom. I don't give a flying fig, it's brown. (I'm sure there will be an interior decorater along to tell me how it matters that shades of brown match in two completely different rooms, but I still won't buy it.)

 

[canoeist]

THe reason the pre-mixed 70/30 does not make sense to me is that the flavor seems like it will throw it off. Am I wrong about that?

Not by enough to matter.
You are just trying to decide what flavor you like at appx what%.
Once you figure that out, you can mix a larger batch which will be much easier to measure. It is much easier to measure & mix 2ml of flavor than .2 (2/10s) of a mil (this is an example).

Hoosier is correct, don't worry about the tiny measurements & percentages unless it is nic. Just find something you like & remember about what you did to make it. It should be easy to replicate.

 

[the ob]

update.

I just got done running around and finding the right tools to grind down the needles so that they are blunt instead of sharp since I am 100% positive I would inadvertently stab myself (that is the ONE percentage I am sure of). One thing I figured out is to grind them down just so they are blunt and not all the way. That give me a bigger opening since the hole was cut at a slant.

I am going to start on my pre-mix soon. I think I will do one 30ml 70/30 and one 80/20. I like vapor and flavor and think both of those serve me better in those areas.

Once that is done, I will mix 5ml bottles of just PG/VG and add flavor without nic to test.

stay tuned for crying. Or if you do not hear from me, assume I smashed my computer in anger

 

[vicsan]

update.

I just got done running around and finding the right tools to grind down the needles so that they are blunt instead of sharp since I am 100% positive I would inadvertently stab myself (that is the ONE percentage I am sure of). One thing I figured out is to grind them down just so they are blunt and not all the way. That give me a bigger opening since the hole was cut at a slant.

I am going to start on my pre-mix soon. I think I will do one 30ml 70/30 and one 80/20. I like vapor and flavor and think both of those serve me better in those areas.

Once that is done, I will mix 5ml bottles of just PG/VG and add flavor without nic to test.

stay tuned for crying. Or if you do not hear from me, assume I smashed my computer in anger

Good luck and HAVE FUN!

 

[the ob]

Good luck and HAVE FUN!

I would not exactly call it "fun" unless by fun you mean torture

glad your pet is going to be ok. Some time Ill tell you about the major spinal surgery my pooch had about three months ago. It was sheer torture.

 

[vicsan]

I would not exactly call it "fun" unless by fun you mean torture

glad your pet is going to be ok. Some time Ill tell you about the major spinal surgery my pooch had about three months ago. It was sheer torture.

Thanks ob. I'm just so relieved she's OK for now. Getting ready to go pick her up in a few minutes.

I can't imagine what it was like having to go through a major spinal surgery with your dog.

I hope your he/she came through the surgery and is doing well?