Here we go again NY Times article - I can't stop

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Where the heck are the parents of these kids, do they even care? Evidently from the parent teacher meetings they don't even show up for those, so I guess a blind eye is ok.

So when are they going to crack down on flavored vodka and hard lemonades :sneaky:.
If my parents ever got wind of anything I was doing that went against the rules I'd still be grounded at 59..lol
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‘I Can’t Stop’: Schools Struggle With Vaping Explosion
 

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In his four years at Cape Elizabeth, Mr. Carpenter says he can’t recall seeing a single student smoke a cigarette.
‘If I handed you a cigarette would you smoke it?’ And 100 percent of them look at you like you’re absolutely crazy for even suggesting that they’d do that.”
Sounds like it has totally displaced smoking. I'd call that a huge win.

But vaping is suddenly everywhere.
So? Where's the harm? No, BS conjecture; actual evidence of harm please.

Right. You don't have any.
 

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Where the heck are the parents of these kids, do they even care? Evidently from the parent teacher meetings they don't even show up for those, so I guess a blind eye is ok.

So when are they going to crack down on flavored vodka and hard lemonades :sneaky:.
If my parents ever got wind of anything I was doing that went against the rules I'd still be grounded at 59..lol
jmtc..

‘I Can’t Stop’: Schools Struggle With Vaping Explosion
May be most of the parents are relieved that the kids are playing with vape toys instead of smoking. vaping is a funding threat to public education. It's not a funding threat to families with kids.
 

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Oh, for god's sake. ARGH.

Thank god it wasn't written by my brother's ex GF (whom I loved, LOL at times more than my brother) she was working for the NY times online for a while.

Any kid, who gets caught doing anything, will often use the "I can't stop/I couldn't help it." Defense. It has NOTHING to do with reality, and everything to do with putting up a defense.

Also, WTH?????????????? If nicotine is so damaging and addictive, then why is this school official "working hard" to obtain the patch, gum or lozenge? Don't they have nicotine TOO? Isn't she just continuing/enabling the kid's "nicotine addiction" rather than reporting him to the authorities regarding having a stolen vape???????

What is this world coming to?

Also, I want to know what the parents have to say in this apparently "parentless" piece. If it were me and that kid, we'd be having a ton of words/consequences, but the bottom line is, if a teen wants to do something they will find a way (even if later in life) but honestly, you don't replace VAPING with THE PATCH, and then go on about how vaping is MORE HARMFUL than the patch, they both contain nicotine so all *I* see is school administrator more intent on "CONTINUED" harm, not harm reduction, which would be to lock the kid in a room for about a week with their "work" to complete, having been searched for "vape items" after he received his first juvenile felony. That one is always fun (been there, and most of the "ways out" of it involve the parents TOO, but clearly needed in this case.

I could go on but I won't although I am THOROUGHLY disgusted by almost every sentence I read.

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I'm ancient, but the high school I went to actually had an outside smoking area for students.

We did too.. had to get parental permission to smoke, but there weren't many kids who weren't able to secure said permission.

I know i had parental permission and we had three smoke breaks a day where a teacher supervised. (Simply to make sure it was cigarettes being smoked.. lol)
 

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I'd love to know what school admins would've done had it been any other illegal substance.

And I guess it has come to that, there's 0 rationality in that piece. I so, SO so wish I were the parents, I would totally have NO OKAYNESS with replacing the deadly "nicotine" substance with another (more expensive) deadly nicotine substance.

Around here, at least they are somewhat tough on kids. The charter school I sent my kiddo to certainly was, they had great team of behavior specialists, and for the most part they dealt with things really well (in school suspension, SO GREAT, compared to rewarding the kid with an "at home" suspension.)

A couple kids (this was in middle school too) got arrested and expelled, one for having an "illegal" (to anyone at the time, not just minors) substance. The other one I remember was a kiddo stabbing a teacher with a pencil, that got some charges and an expulsion.

Even though they pretty much accepted "the worst of the worst" kiddos that had been expelled already from various schools, I always thought they were pretty great (well, apart from the "robot picture== deadly shooting picture." dealio I had to suffer) with behavioral interventions and keeping things simmering under control. I was somewhat disappointed that the kiddo wanted a public school for HS, for many of the reasons I see above (LOL, seemed like part of your "how was your day" question routinely involved some deprogramming.)

But his public school was a bad experience and I had to yank him swiftly due to a lot of nonsense like this.

I guess it's sad that vapers go, "WTH!!!!!!!" and the rest of society knows so little about nicotine and etc. that they see it as "awesome" that the kid will "quit" (LOLOL, the vape will just stay at home) and get dosed with the patch at other times.

Vaping== other nicotine delivery system== still, the "addiction" is going to continue.

I am going to hope the administrator gets to "wean" the kiddo from nicotine, after 12 weeks, (and watch a return of the vape to school) but I guarantee we won't hear about THAT.

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I’m going to go out on a limb here and say as a parent in the age group discussed here, parents would rather their kids vape nicotine than do drugs\cigarettes\alcohol\ gangs. Parents really need to be involved in their children’s day to day activities, but sometimes kids are just gonna try stuff.
 

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Parents these days are a lot younger than I was as a parent. And, it's not that I personally, would rather see my kid vaping than smoking (which I would, and was happy to comply with) but a lot of parents these days haven't smoked at all and do consider nicotine a deadly poison they have been informed to do so by the media.

I didn't really "care" (in a way it was more like I expected it) that my kiddo tried a bunch of illicit substances (and he certainly had the genetics for it, and I didn't expect him to "learn" much from being dragged to various and sundry al-anon/AA meetings, etc, he knew about the dangers.

Interestingly, he sort of "actively" sought them out, but cycled through them rather quickly and after his first "big" consequence (it was major) was really able to stop everything, but it was more like he wanted to try everything.

I just prayed a lot, mainly that he would get "through" his tendencies without killing himself or someone else. Facing a bunch of felonies, going through the court system and probation is what sealed the "it's not worth it" for my kid. Not anything I said and did mattered much. I watched the train wreck, intervened when I could, but I had ZERO expectation that he would stop until HE was ready.

As he's fairly smart, along with the addictive tendencies, his first brush with the law has been his last. And it knocked out that last little bit of arrogance in him without me being required to punch him in the face a bunch, and getting arrested for child abuse/whatever, well the legal system did a nice job, and while it was a HUGE pain, well, at least the kid learned what he needed to.

I realize the more hands off approach can be scary (and I was scared) but I also knew that trying to do anything OTHER than allow the kid to reap his consequences, which he did, because I certainly taught him enough about addiction from a very young age and whether he "listened" or not was kind of "his" deal. You can't MAKE an adolescent agree to, and sign on to a parental agenda most of the time.

So, nothing surprised me. THE SHEER NUMBER of drugs he reported to his PO ever "trying" that was a bit eye opening, but he clearly wanted to try everything.

The odd part is, he's not really an addict, he never really "latched on" to one thing, and doesn't even like to drink more than a beer or two. When he quit vaping, he didn't make a huge deal over it like I might. I don't think the kid was so much a "genetic addict" as someone who knew enough about drugs to know he wanted to "try them all," but the stuff that got him in trouble (psychedelics) was also non addictive.

So, I don't know how parents today "feel," but I definitely feel, past a certain point, parents are going to have to allow their kids to "leave the nest" in a way, and make their mistakes. I think they worry far too much about the wrong things (parents) and I don't think they calculate "what is" "better" than what.

In today's society, using a stick as a "gun" in play is bad news, in schools.
In today's society, "All substances are equally bad, harmful, etc."

It's odd, but that is sort of seeming to be the way it goes.... ANYTHING is bad and must be removed and all kids "should" comply. If they don't, bad things happen OR WEIRD ONES like this article, etc.

But, I don't think some of today's parents really understand "risk" calculations, nor teachers or schools, either. They are making some "disturbingly faulty" risk calculations, and some flat out erroneous ones.

Also, (and I hate to say it, but it is a fact) some teens will make deadly mistakes, for themselves and/or others. I don't know that we as a society (in general) enjoy accepting that fact. I certainly don't love it, but I also don't love the opposite pole entirely either. Teens will make some awful and deadly choices and it's awful.

But, as I like to say, "safe spaces are a myth." There is nowhere on this Earth to find a "safe space." Being born is a suicide mission, from the moment you emerge into it, we must become prepared to die, eventually,so what matters more to me than a safe space is a genuine, authentic life experience. So I mourn my mistakes, (and those of my kid) and just keep on moving forward.

There is literally, nothing else to do. I don't believe in protective bubbles, for kids, for parents, for anyone.

There may be things we could do to make kids as a whole safer, but given our current climate, I don't know that we CAN do much nor has it ever been "so different." I highly doubt. At least in an industrialized society etc.

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I'm ancient, but the high school I went to actually had an outside smoking area for students.

In the high school I went to, during the carefree sixties era, it was normal for us all to smoke in the canteen, and some teachers smoked as well in the class rooms (full of students).
 

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My favorite prof's definition of addiction:

"The right drug... meets the right brain." LOL, it remains the best definition I ever heard, I am totally bemused at folks who can take opiates (for some time) and just stop them with very few problems. I guess they have a "better" or at least, "less addictive" brain than mine. I seem to have a "joy" spot for many, many possible "drugs." Etc.

Oh well, at least I'm not a gambling addict, they sometimes "treat" gambling with ........ I'm not kidding, either, I can't imagine what it's like to be addicted to YOUR OWN adrenaline. :(

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