All right, undoubtedly most of you know by now that I am A) starting my vaping journey & B) sort of freaking out that it doesn't appear that any stores have nicotine e-juice.
I've become rapidly increasing from upset to frustrated to angry to sad to ...... off & finally coming to rest on obstinately determined to get what I want. If that means I do some civil disobedience & creative thinking, so be it. All I can say is they ...... off the wrong political activist!
Health Canada wants to declare nicotine a drug &/or medical device, fine... They want to refuse to approve nicotine for this indication or delivery system, fine!!! However that does not mean I have to change my behavior ortherapeutic options. One thing they can't do say I need a prescription because no nicotine replacement therapy or delivery system requires a prescription in Ontario (i'm pretty sure its the same every where in Canada). The only thing Health Canada can do is manufacturers & retailers they can't advertise or sell it to society for those purposes...
So here's the loophole, a pharmacist (possibly other retailers) can sell the raw ingredients with a disclaimer stating they aren't for "x" purpose (the exemption to making that disclaimer is an individual that decides to make a personal decision about using it as a nicotine replacement device & purchases it from a pharmacist/pharmacy).
Basically a pharmacist has a right to provide smoking cessation therapy & prescribe appropriate nicotine replacement therapies. Its actually one of their duties that OHIP pays them for. They aren't allowed to recommend it but they are under no obligation to deny you the treatment if you want it (especially if you say its the only thing that works &/or is safe for you).
At the end of the day, e-cigs/ vapers/ APVs are all nicotine replacement devices & we have a right to the right nicotine replacement for each of us. If we want to vap that's out right.
Here's the thing all the basic ingredients are available to purchase through a pharmacist, especially compounding pharmacists. The plus is you are guaranteed a certain quality & safety factor. You can easily get USP grade vegetable glycerin, USP Grade Propylene Glycol & USP nicotine from any compounding pharmacist for sure. The other 2 nice things is they can compound up juice for you in any flavor/volume/concentration & get you wide selection of diy"volumes/concentrations of the raw ingredients.
I've got a call into my compounder & I'm placing an order for the raw ingredients, so I'll let you know how much, size, concentrations, prices, etc. I'll also check into costs for them to prepare juice. Think of it this way, professional custom diy juice at your finger tips without the hassle or danger of doing it yourself. Plus if you don't like it the first few times they'll reformulate the flavor for free until you like it or there is no saving that batch.
It shouldn't be too expensive & once you do it in larger quantities it'll become much cheaper. You could also get just a basic juice & add your own flavoring.
As for other retailers, I'm not certain of the rules for if they could sell under that provision. I know other retailers sell other nicotine replacement devices but those are approved for that indication. Still as long as they sold it with a disclaimer saying not for internal/external consumption, then they aren't breaking the law. Afterall other general nicotine products are sold in a wide variety of stores for non medical use. As long as they still use USP grade ingredients nothing changes for the consumer.
I hope this helps someone...
Adam
P.S. I am not going to mention the specific name of my pharmacy but if people who have been around a while decide they want it, just PM me.
I've become rapidly increasing from upset to frustrated to angry to sad to ...... off & finally coming to rest on obstinately determined to get what I want. If that means I do some civil disobedience & creative thinking, so be it. All I can say is they ...... off the wrong political activist!
Health Canada wants to declare nicotine a drug &/or medical device, fine... They want to refuse to approve nicotine for this indication or delivery system, fine!!! However that does not mean I have to change my behavior ortherapeutic options. One thing they can't do say I need a prescription because no nicotine replacement therapy or delivery system requires a prescription in Ontario (i'm pretty sure its the same every where in Canada). The only thing Health Canada can do is manufacturers & retailers they can't advertise or sell it to society for those purposes...
So here's the loophole, a pharmacist (possibly other retailers) can sell the raw ingredients with a disclaimer stating they aren't for "x" purpose (the exemption to making that disclaimer is an individual that decides to make a personal decision about using it as a nicotine replacement device & purchases it from a pharmacist/pharmacy).
Basically a pharmacist has a right to provide smoking cessation therapy & prescribe appropriate nicotine replacement therapies. Its actually one of their duties that OHIP pays them for. They aren't allowed to recommend it but they are under no obligation to deny you the treatment if you want it (especially if you say its the only thing that works &/or is safe for you).
At the end of the day, e-cigs/ vapers/ APVs are all nicotine replacement devices & we have a right to the right nicotine replacement for each of us. If we want to vap that's out right.
Here's the thing all the basic ingredients are available to purchase through a pharmacist, especially compounding pharmacists. The plus is you are guaranteed a certain quality & safety factor. You can easily get USP grade vegetable glycerin, USP Grade Propylene Glycol & USP nicotine from any compounding pharmacist for sure. The other 2 nice things is they can compound up juice for you in any flavor/volume/concentration & get you wide selection of diy"volumes/concentrations of the raw ingredients.
I've got a call into my compounder & I'm placing an order for the raw ingredients, so I'll let you know how much, size, concentrations, prices, etc. I'll also check into costs for them to prepare juice. Think of it this way, professional custom diy juice at your finger tips without the hassle or danger of doing it yourself. Plus if you don't like it the first few times they'll reformulate the flavor for free until you like it or there is no saving that batch.
It shouldn't be too expensive & once you do it in larger quantities it'll become much cheaper. You could also get just a basic juice & add your own flavoring.
As for other retailers, I'm not certain of the rules for if they could sell under that provision. I know other retailers sell other nicotine replacement devices but those are approved for that indication. Still as long as they sold it with a disclaimer saying not for internal/external consumption, then they aren't breaking the law. Afterall other general nicotine products are sold in a wide variety of stores for non medical use. As long as they still use USP grade ingredients nothing changes for the consumer.
I hope this helps someone...
Adam
P.S. I am not going to mention the specific name of my pharmacy but if people who have been around a while decide they want it, just PM me.
