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MADJ

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Just joined this forum today, I am from MO and have been vaping since July 16, 2013, the day I quit smoking cigarettees. I smoked cigarettes for 40 years. At age 13 it was only 1 or 2 cigarettes a week to age 53 smoking between 3 to 4 packs a day. I was waking up as hacking up a lung every morning, my husband was worried sick about my health. The day I quit I was on my way to store because I was down to 1 cigarette and needed to pick up a couple cartons. On my way there I stopped at this little store my sister was telling me about. I walked in and was there for over an hour. Drilling the poor women because I didn't want to start another habit that was going to be worse for me than cigarettees with all the chemicals tobacco has in it. She explained to me there is VG PG Nicotine(My choice on level) and what ever flavor I wanted. All the time there I was testing all the different flavors ect. and after an hour I realized I wasn't craving a cigarette, which was very unusual for me. Needless to say I bought a setup for myself and husband, tobacco flavor (nic 18). We haven't touch a cigarette since. We now have 200watt mods (never go over 60watt) and sub ohm tanks (much better hit), but our nicotine level is now 0 to 3. The majority of juice we vape I make but we do like to try out try other people's vape juice. I am 59 now, my doctor is pleased because my lungs are clear, and new doctors don't know I vape unless I tell them. I no longer cough up stuff every morning. I can go hours without vaping since I lowered level of nicotine to almost nothing. This is my only vice. I don't drink, don't drugs unless they are prescribed or legal.

Now I turn on the news and the government is trying to take my LIFESAVER away from me because there are parents out there that can't parent their kids. (I have 2 sons who don't smoke, I did my JOB as a parent and I was a heavy smoker). The news/talk shows are screaming on every channel that kids are dying because of vaping. But you have to read in the fine print on articles online that these kids were vaping THC and devices with HIGH nicotine levels. Where did they get it, parents buying, are they ordering on line (where did they get CC to pay). Don't you have to be 18 to get a CC. The government should be doing their job and monitoring what is coming in from China. I personally have ordered something but when I got it shipping label showed Jewelery not CBD oil I throw it out figured it wasn't checked or legal. Juul should be manufacturing ecigs with lower nicotine in them and package with better descrip of nicotine levels, I smoked 40 years and I couldn't vape a Juul, it made me dizzy from the level of nic in them but there are people who still need that high of level. Well I hope I haven't ranted to much but I am looking forward to reading others views and responses in other Threads.
 

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Welcome to ECF, and we're ALL upset!!

Yeah, lots of noise about vaping, little to none on WHAT is being vaped. And how the kids procure it. Seems most of the problems ARE coming from illegal street drugs, so obviously the technology must be banned. Not the contents of the cartridge, but the cartridge. Alcohol (misuse) causes lots of accidents and deaths, so ban glass bottles after you "deem" them to be alcohol. :facepalm:
 

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Just joined this forum today, I am from MO and have been vaping since July 16, 2013, the day I quit smoking cigarettees. I smoked cigarettes for 40 years. At age 13 it was only 1 or 2 cigarettes a week to age 53 smoking between 3 to 4 packs a day. I was waking up as hacking up a lung every morning, my husband was worried sick about my health. The day I quit I was on my way to store because I was down to 1 cigarette and needed to pick up a couple cartons. On my way there I stopped at this little store my sister was telling me about. I walked in and was there for over an hour. Drilling the poor women because I didn't want to start another habit that was going to be worse for me than cigarettees with all the chemicals tobacco has in it. She explained to me there is VG PG Nicotine(My choice on level) and what ever flavor I wanted. All the time there I was testing all the different flavors ect. and after an hour I realized I wasn't craving a cigarette, which was very unusual for me. Needless to say I bought a setup for myself and husband, tobacco flavor (nic 18). We haven't touch a cigarette since. We now have 200watt mods (never go over 60watt) and sub ohm tanks (much better hit), but our nicotine level is now 0 to 3. The majority of juice we vape I make but we do like to try out try other people's vape juice. I am 59 now, my doctor is pleased because my lungs are clear, and new doctors don't know I vape unless I tell them. I no longer cough up stuff every morning. I can go hours without vaping since I lowered level of nicotine to almost nothing. This is my only vice. I don't drink, don't drugs unless they are prescribed or legal.

Now I turn on the news and the government is trying to take my LIFESAVER away from me because there are parents out there that can't parent their kids. (I have 2 sons who don't smoke, I did my JOB as a parent and I was a heavy smoker). The news/talk shows are screaming on every channel that kids are dying because of vaping. But you have to read in the fine print on articles online that these kids were vaping THC and devices with HIGH nicotine levels. Where did they get it, parents buying, are they ordering on line (where did they get CC to pay). Don't you have to be 18 to get a CC. The government should be doing their job and monitoring what is coming in from China. I personally have ordered something but when I got it shipping label showed Jewelery not CBD oil I throw it out figured it wasn't checked or legal. Juul should be manufacturing ecigs with lower nicotine in them and package with better descrip of nicotine levels, I smoked 40 years and I couldn't vape a Juul, it made me dizzy from the level of nic in them but there are people who still need that high of level. Well I hope I haven't ranted to much but I am looking forward to reading others views and responses in other Threads.
I agree with you, the overwhelming attacks that nicotine vaping is recieving are abhorrent from a moral standpoint. Banning vaping (and flavors) is not about the physical harm it might represent, or even about underage addiction. The topic of underage addiction is a serious one, but it applies to many things, not just nicotine. The true motivators driving the political machine to using the ban hammer are regaining power, money, and control. The reasons presented are just a means to justify their actions.
 

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If you don't know how to DIY your own e-liquid, I suggest that you quickly learn and get stocked up on the supplies you'll need. If you can make a cake from a box, you can learn how to DIY.

You can go to our General E-Liquid Discussion to learn how, or do a search on You Tube. Members here will assist you, including where to get your supplies. Or you can play into our government's and Big Tobacco's hands and return to smoking. Not an option for myself.
 

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I guess they will have to start selling zero nic flavors and let people just add their own nic. Which is exactly what I do anyhow. If they have to the makers can just say it is for pouring over your food to flavor it. Idiots! I never would have quit smoking without my cinnamon bubblegum and apple flavors.
 

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I guess they will have to start selling zero nic flavors and let people just add their own nic. Which is exactly what I do anyhow. If they have to the makers can just say it is for pouring over your food to flavor it. Idiots! I never would have quit smoking without my cinnamon bubblegum and apple flavors.
I don't think you understand, or you didn't say what you meant to. They aren't banning nicotine e-liquid, but they are banning flavors in vape shops (exception tobacco flavors, possibly menthol). I would imagine "flavor shots" will be outlawed, too, because kids would learn to add their own flavors, too. They aren't dumb.

I guess you'll be able to find some flavorless nicotine e-liquids in shops, but you'll have to find your flavors elsewhere.
 
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Hi and welcome @MADJ We’re all rather ticked off about it as well.

For me, quitting was about not dying from smoking like my husband and his mother did, but also about not giving another penny to BT. I refuse to go back to cigarettes and I also refuse to buy vape gear that BT owns and profits from.

I agree with @Baditude that we should still be able to get flavorless e liquid, and it's not difficult to find and add flavors. At least for now. Hopefully it won’t become even more restrictive of a ban.

One issue you might want to consider is, a lot of shops are not going to make enough profit without those flavored juice sales to stay afloat. Think about getting extra gear while they’re still in business.
 

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We are all a bit worried,frustrated and pi**ed off but it is what it is, I have decided to learn how to DIY. I am going to see my current e-juice supplier (dealer if you believe the media) this weekend to ask about recipes.

However I am not as worried about the flavor ban affecting me as those coming after me, the people still smoking, they will have it tough to say the least.
 

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All good until you said this:
"The government should be doing their job and monitoring what is coming in from China. I personally have ordered something but when I got it shipping label showed Jewelery not ... oil I throw it out figured it wasn't checked or legal."

They do that for *you*. I personally don't want government sticking more of their nose in my business.

So, you ordered something from China and just threw it in the trash, because it wasn't labeled in a big bold label that it was e-cigarette stuff? Really?
 

MADJ

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All good until you said this:
"The government should be doing their job and monitoring what is coming in from China. I personally have ordered something but when I got it shipping label showed Jewelery not ... oil I throw it out figured it wasn't checked or legal."

They do that for *you*. I personally don't want government sticking more of their nose in my business.

So, you ordered something from China and just threw it in the trash, because it wasn't labeled in a big bold label that it was e-cigarette stuff? Really?

Yes I did throw it out. It wasn't labeled ... oil. Mods and tanks they don't have a problem marking that correct. Here is the full story...was trying to cut words down. When I got package I was aggitated because it was not marked right so I guess it is a way this company in China is getting things past Customs Regulations. Now I did taste a drop of it and it was not even close to what I got when I was in CA and I didn't trust it and wasn't going to put anymore into my system and I threw it out, $40 isn't going to kill me but that ... oil may of. I did email the company and informed them what I thought about them shipping stuff marked wrong on shipping label so they could get it past customs, it wasn't right. (Not in those nice of words) I requested from them a list of what chemicals was mixed with ... oil they sent because it tasted funny and there was no info on label. Needless to say they didn't answer me back. But they did refund my credit card. When it comes to stuff coming from another country and I am going to be putting it into my body, I would hope that Customs would have some sort of guide lines to protect me, which they do. My reason I guess for putting it in my rant was letting people know to pay attention to shipping labels from other countries if they can't put item name correct on label you may not want to digest or inhale. Now I don't have to order ... oil on line because there are shops in the area that sell it.

After reading my post I agree it didn't sound good about the government monitoring but I was trying to cut down words... Thanks for the feedback
 
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Deborah Greene

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Just joined this forum today, I am from MO and have been vaping since July 16, 2013, the day I quit smoking cigarettees. I smoked cigarettes for 40 years. At age 13 it was only 1 or 2 cigarettes a week to age 53 smoking between 3 to 4 packs a day. I was waking up as hacking up a lung every morning, my husband was worried sick about my health. The day I quit I was on my way to store because I was down to 1 cigarette and needed to pick up a couple cartons. On my way there I stopped at this little store my sister was telling me about. I walked in and was there for over an hour. Drilling the poor women because I didn't want to start another habit that was going to be worse for me than cigarettees with all the chemicals tobacco has in it. She explained to me there is VG PG Nicotine(My choice on level) and what ever flavor I wanted. All the time there I was testing all the different flavors ect. and after an hour I realized I wasn't craving a cigarette, which was very unusual for me. Needless to say I bought a setup for myself and husband, tobacco flavor (nic 18). We haven't touch a cigarette since. We now have 200watt mods (never go over 60watt) and sub ohm tanks (much better hit), but our nicotine level is now 0 to 3. The majority of juice we vape I make but we do like to try out try other people's vape juice. I am 59 now, my doctor is pleased because my lungs are clear, and new doctors don't know I vape unless I tell them. I no longer cough up stuff every morning. I can go hours without vaping since I lowered level of nicotine to almost nothing. This is my only vice. I don't drink, don't drugs unless they are prescribed or legal.

Now I turn on the news and the government is trying to take my LIFESAVER away from me because there are parents out there that can't parent their kids. (I have 2 sons who don't smoke, I did my JOB as a parent and I was a heavy smoker). The news/talk shows are screaming on every channel that kids are dying because of vaping. But you have to read in the fine print on articles online that these kids were vaping THC and devices with HIGH nicotine levels. Where did they get it, parents buying, are they ordering on line (where did they get CC to pay). Don't you have to be 18 to get a CC. The government should be doing their job and monitoring what is coming in from China. I personally have ordered something but when I got it shipping label showed Jewelery not CBD oil I throw it out figured it wasn't checked or legal. Juul should be manufacturing ecigs with lower nicotine in them and package with better descrip of nicotine levels, I smoked 40 years and I couldn't vape a Juul, it made me dizzy from the level of nic in them but there are people who still need that high of level. Well I hope I haven't ranted to much but I am looking forward to reading others views and responses in other Threads.

welcome I quit back 2011, my sister was sick with the lung problem and I didn’t want to go to her house and smoke cigarettes so I knew I would have to go without anything so I decided to go get a Vape pen and I haven’t touched a cigarette since it completely took away the desire to smoke I’m totally dependent upon my Vape and my juice I don’t much like the cigarette tasting ones I like the fruity ones so yes I’m quite ...... that the president is trying to put a stop to vaping but yet he will not stop people from smoking who are for sure to get cancer it is such BS I think it might have something to do with helping the tobacco industry which is suffering because of people vaping I think it’s sick that they’re doing this they know that it was a batch of THC that caused all this I am Also like you my doctor is happy that I stop smoking cigarettes although I was only smoking a pack a day I hope this doesn’t go through I am panicked right now.


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All good until you said this:
"The government should be doing their job and monitoring what is coming in from China. I personally have ordered something but when I got it shipping label showed Jewelery not CBD oil I throw it out figured it wasn't checked or legal."

They do that for *you*. I personally don't want government sticking more of their nose in my business.

So, you ordered something from China and just threw it in the trash, because it wasn't labeled in a big bold label that it was e-cigarette stuff? Really?

I wouldn’t throw away all the ‘filters’ and ‘Bluetooth speakers’ but that’s just me.

Also sent a ‘flashlight’ to someone in another country, glad he didn’t throw that away! :D
 

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Personally, I wouldn't buy anything from China to ingest or inhale, if I had any kind of option at all. I saw what they did putting melamine into cat food. Them putting a different label on it wouldn't change anything. This is where personal responsibility comes into the equation, in my opinion.
 
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