Hi Folks, registered here as concerns regarding teeth with this new ecig of mine..advice plz

[Rainbow39]

Hi Folks,

I was looking for a place online today and searching in the hope that I may find some advice/share. Found this one and just registered. Just started to do some research today as I have concerns now with my teeth. Since I separated over 2 years ago I found the ecig, and begun it over a year ago, it was a revelation to me, as I originally found myself resorting to smoking heavily with all the new changes. No horrible smells, waking up in the morning much brighter, fresher all the time, not having to nip outside anywhere for a puff. However, I did find dry mouth, and lips for periods of time, but with all the other changes I was going through I didn't make the link. Now that I have settled into my new home since xmas, and focusing much better on my new life I have noticed how poor my teeth have become in appearance. They have become pale, their whiteness has faded. The ends of my teeth are almost transparent. On reading some new information today I read that the nicotine intake from the e-cig, and particularly with the higher mg (on 18mg), reduces the flow of red blood cells to the mouth and gums. Like ordinary cigarettes except of course but no smelly odours. This explains a lot for me. I had neglected to consider the harm still of the nicotine. And am disheartened as the appearance of my lovely teeth, has become so affected. I was never a heavy smoker only occasional, but with the crisis in my life, cigarettes were my vice. It seems it has increased the ageing process on my teeth, and on my skin. I probably puffed much more with the e-cig, as you can do so inside and anywhere, when driving wherever, however I didn't consider just how much of a hit my body was taking. And it has got me down. So therefore, I will reduce the levels of nicotine, to zilch if possible!!! The nicotine does the body no favours. I just wanted to mention this, in the hope others wishing to check out advice regarding e-cigs, yes they are much cleaner, and a great substitute however, be careful with your nicotine intake, and reduce consciously as you go with the levels of nicotine in your efforts to give up. I just wanted to pour my heart out here as am vexed with the transformation. This has hit me hard and will now source for zilch nicotine flavours if there is such a thing. As still feel that need for a vice of sorts, as I feel I am almost there with myself in this new life. Thank you any one in advance for any additional information/support/advice. x

 

[jwoode]

It is a mistake to attribute changes in your dental health to vaping before you have seen your dentist.

 

[Marc411]

I just had a dentist appointment Monday and we discussed at length people using ecigs. He was happy to hear that I moved away from conventional cigs and that ecigs are believed to be a much safer alternative. As it stands today he has not heard of any negative reports regarding oral health attached to e cigs. He went on further to state that they are seeing overall improved dental health from people that moved away from smokes to electronics.

So as jwoode said, you might want to go see your dentist.

 

[30+Years]

The added stress in your life may have something to do with it?

 

[Glenn_K]

Greetings, welcome to the forum.

Not sure why e-cigs would be any worse than tobacco regarding dental health, can you post links to the studies to which you're referring?

-- Glenn

PS: Paragraph breaks are free on ECF, and you're welcome to use as many as you want

 

[Amraann]

I agree with jwoode. Without going to a dentist there is no way to know if this has to do with vaping or not.

It is important to drink plenty of water when vaping. You said that you smoked a lot prior to switching to e-cigs. That could easily be the cause of your dental problem. Or other life style changes like your diet.

 

[Arnie H]

Hi Folks,

I was looking for a place online today and searching in the hope that I may find some advice/share. Found this one and just registered. Just started to do some research today as I have concerns now with my teeth. Since I separated over 2 years ago I found the ecig, and begun it over a year ago, it was a revelation to me, as I originally found myself resorting to smoking heavily with all the new changes. No horrible smells, waking up in the morning much brighter, fresher all the time, not having to nip outside anywhere for a puff. However, I did find dry mouth, and lips for periods of time, but with all the other changes I was going through I didn't make the link. Now that I have settled into my new home since xmas, and focusing much better on my new life I have noticed how poor my teeth have become in appearance. They have become pale, their whiteness has faded.

Welcome to ECF. I know coffee and analogs were said to stain ones teeth. Mine are so far gone its not a major concern for me. But perhaps this bears looking into.

 

[mkbilbo]

Hi Folks,

I was looking for a place online today and searching in the hope that I may find some advice/share. Found this one and just registered. Just started to do some research today as I have concerns now with my teeth. Since I separated over 2 years ago I found the ecig, and begun it over a year ago, it was a revelation to me, as I originally found myself resorting to smoking heavily with all the new changes. No horrible smells, waking up in the morning much brighter, fresher all the time, not having to nip outside anywhere for a puff. However, I did find dry mouth, and lips for periods of time, but with all the other changes I was going through I didn't make the link. Now that I have settled into my new home since xmas, and focusing much better on my new life I have noticed how poor my teeth have become in appearance. They have become pale, their whiteness has faded. The ends of my teeth are almost transparent. On reading some new information today I read that the nicotine intake from the e-cig, and particularly with the higher mg (on 18mg), reduces the flow of red blood cells to the mouth and gums. Like ordinary cigarettes except of course but no smelly odours. This explains a lot for me.

Have to stop you right there as, no, actually, it doesn't explain much of anything. Smoking cigarettes puts more than just nicotine into your mouth. How do you know how much was caused by the smoking, how much by quitting smoking, how much by vaping and how much by some totally different factor?

Two things that happened around the same time don't have to be related. I had a flat tire after starting vaping. Did vaping cause it?

You need expert advice. As in a dentist. Smoking heavily as you say you did could have caused damage that was going to show itself in time anyway. Or it's something totally unrelated to vaping or smoking.

 

[Brend]

I really regret not seeing dentist before vaping. I could have been a good case study for him.

My oral health/cleanliness has improved so much, so fast, it's shocking.
If I had known it was going to happen, I would have done a before & after visit just for documentation sake.

Nicotine is found in many plants & veggies - it's a pretty common thing found in nature.

We need a little of it just like we need a little salt & a little fat 8-o. Eat a tomato or puff your pv, you're gonna get
nicotine. We all have trace amounts of arsenic in our bodies. It's the tephlon in all of us that I have a problem with.
Read the directions & warning on your tephlon coated cookware - do not heat past med/med.high - poisonous
gases are emitted.

Is it really believed that the tobacco plant is the only plant in the whole world that contains nicotine?

There are science studies that show nicotine is not addictive (& it wears off fast) unless it's mixed with
some of the other chemicals that are put in cigarettes - they need to do a study without the nicotine and
just those dang chemicals!

We knew as far back as pre 1900 that smoking tobacco caused cancer. That is not new information. I guess
we've forgotten it was doctors promoting cigarettes in TV commercials.

Do we not remember the college kids that binged drank water thinking it was "safer than" alcohol and died?

Tea stains your teeth more than coffee. What?

Medical field don't even know/can't say if the ear infection your 2yr old contracts is contagious!

Too much of anything will eventually kill you. Everything in moderation.

For the OP - get your 5 posts in & head to the health forums we have here & see your dentist to get a handle on the issues
your having. Many Welcomes & good luck.

 

[Worzel]

I could see the concern with dry mouth. You need saliva to remineralize your teeth. I read that VG creates a barrier on your teeth, which isn't good either. But I vape VG, and my teeth have become noticeably whiter, and my dentist says my teeth are in good shape. The dental problems I had to have fixed stems from past neglect (not replacing lost fillings) and not have much to do with anything else.

 

[realsis]

Hi I am a RDA. In dentistry and have been for over 30 years. As Far As your mouth Is Concerned A Dentist OR RDA, would need to look at x-rays to see exactly what is going on. As far as vaping is concerned it does not cause tooth decay. If you are suffering from constant dry mouth there are some things you can do. Their are gums and mouth rinses to keep your mouth moist and help. They are made for suffers of dry mouth due to certain medications. If your mouth does stay dry on a constant basis like dry mouth from medications it can to a point make your teeth more susceptible to decay bur your mouth would have to be consistently dry and I've personally not noticed that kind of extreme dryness with vaping. Water usually solves that problem. The dry mouth that causes decay is a extreme condition which is usually brought on with the use of certain medications. The dryness in your mouth due to vaping would not constitute as that kind of severe condition so I would not worry.a little water will cure that right up. As for your dental issues I do highly doubt that they are related to vaping. The type of decay that occurs due to the severe dry mouth condition is usually localized to being at the gumline. And not on other surfaces of the teeth. It's a strange thing. I really hope this helps and I recommend you see your dentist. In the meantime drink lots of water and buy that product to keep your mouth moist if your uncomfortable. In my opinion vaping is likely not the cause of your oral troubles. So rest easy because it does not seem vaping is harmful to the mouth. This is just my educated opnion. Others might disagree but with what I know, I would say, no, it's not harmful. I really hope this helps and wish you the very best.

 

[glointhedark]

Hydration is your friend. Do not wait until you feel thirsty to drink something. I keep a glass of water (or juice, KoolAid, sports drink, etc.) close by. When I am vaping, I am drinking something. Vaping dehydrates you. I even keep water on the nightstand when I go to bed. You have been under a lot of stress, which does not help. I hope everything works out for you. Please see your dentist and doctor for any health concerns.

 

[Rainbow39]

Thankyou all for your generous responses.

I do appreciate yes that this major change certainly would have some contributing factors. There is no doubt about that. I have a healthy lifestyle, and diet intake, and regularly exercise, and an avid yoga member for several years.

Maybe its the age range I am in, that the reaction I experienced was the dryness of mouth. Others in my age group male and female expressed the same also when using the e-cig. I found when abstaining from the e-cig for a short period the dryness eased. Yes, I would drink lots of water, always had a full bladder when I experienced the dryness, water in every room and in the car! And maybe my nicotine intake was excessive, and too much of anything is never a good idea.

I only wish to research, and will certainly attend my dentist for further investigation.

I will add my herbalist did say the nicotine would reduce the levels of vitamins in the body. So go moderately on the nicotine, I may have had just too much going in, and too often!

PS. And Glenn good to know there is paragraph freebies!! ;-)

 

[Rainbow39]

Hi Worzel,

what is VG mean?

 

[Rainbow39]

I will also add my teeth don't have stains, I only drink tea or coffee so very rarely, am a herbal tea and water drinker. More and more as I read, I do appreciate that many factors have to be considered and no one item is fully responsible, but on reflection the only vice I have had and used probably excessively is the e-cig. Time will reveal more as I gather more information. Thnx again all.

 

[GPC2012]

If you are not hydrating the way you should it will affect you teeth and gums, one of the minor benefits of drinking more water is that you wash the germs and other not so savory things out of your mouth.

 

[Rainbow39]

Glenn I don't believe I am allowed to post links here...did try and it is disallowed. I included the last paragraph here from the webpage. You could google DRH it is a 'dot' org 'dot' uk site. Hope this is ok.

• E-cig still has nicotine content in it. Although one can vary the concentration to very minimal or to nothing. But in most cases than not, most smokers chose one with a high concentration of nicotine. Since to choose one with low nicotine concentration would defeat the purpose of actually smoking: the stimulation obtained from smoking is mostly the reason people smoke, it’s only in rare case do people do it for the gesture of it. Nicotine however small the concentration is, it is still a vasoconstrictor substance. This means it reduces the blood flow to your mouth. In effect the white blood cells around your mouth region are seriously hampered in fighting off infections from bacteria. Another effect is that less blood supply to your mouth means fewer red blood cells are supplied to your mouth tissues leading to deteriorating of mouth tissues and organs such as teeth and gums.

 

[mkbilbo]

Hi Worzel,

what is VG mean?

VG (vegetable glycerin) and PG (propylene glycol) are the two main liquids in vapor products which actually create the vapor. Nicotine and flavoring is mixed into the liquids to create the "juice" used in vaping.

I think there is a third one seen in Europe but rarely in the US called PGE or PEG? I'm not sure. I know nothing about it.

 

[Rainbow39]

VG (vegetable glycerin) and PG (propylene glycol) are the two main liquids in vapor products which actually create the vapor. Nicotine and flavoring is mixed into the liquids to create the "juice" used in vaping.

I think there is a third one seen in Europe but rarely in the US called PGE or PEG? I'm not sure. I know nothing about it.

And having did a further read today if I could get some clarification, one of these i.e. VG &/or PG provide a better 'throat hit'... and one associated with the vapour amount..? So therefore I will check this out before my next purchase.. thnx for this.

 

[Stosh]

Using 18 mg eliquid is not excessive, and has been subjected to studies

The complete article is here....Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarette use: comparison between first and new-generation devices : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group

Some of the takeaway surprised me...

New-generation EC devices were more efficient in nicotine delivery, but still delivered nicotine much slower compared to tobacco cigarettes. The use of 18 mg/ml nicotine-concentration liquid probably compromises ECs' effectiveness as smoking substitutes; this study supports the need for higher levels of nicotine-containing liquids (approximately 50 mg/ml) in order to deliver nicotine more effectively and approach the nicotine-delivery profile of tobacco cigarettes.