Hmmmm .. Maybe not so safe?

[redddog]

Agree with DJ. The whole question lies with the inhilation of flavorings meant to be injested. The argument that they have been deemed perfectly safe for injestion has nothing to do with the safety profile when they are inhaled. It's perfectly safe to have someone dump a gallon of water on your head from a six foot ladder. Freeze that water and it's likely to eff you up if dropped on your head.

The other significant questions have to do with the amounts of VG/PG that we're exposing ourselves to and what happens to the 4 components found in juice when transformed from liquid to vapor through a heating process.

But these studies are not designed to rule out any level of harm from vaping. They only need to prove that vaping is magnatudes safer than smoking. And that, at least anectdotally, has already been proven daily through clinical presentation of health. Easier breathing, no more coughing, etc are all reported and can't be argued.

 

[Sally_]

Well so far the hard core results are not in....
But this Dr. has gone above and beyond to test the APV and the juice,,,,,,
so far it is 100% healthier than "burning tobacco" .
This Dr. appears to have devoted a lot of free time to the cause.

Exclusive ECF Interview: Dr Konstantinos Farsalinos - ECF InfoZone

It's unfortunate that this info isn't more widely available, but I guess it's not sensational enough compared to headlines like 'Selling Poison by the Barrel' for the media.

Who's fooling themselves. Maybe you should have a look around the forum and you will see countess threads and posts where it has been clearly stated that this is an unknown, and that it's likely not completely safe.

You will also see it mentioned countless times that we understand vaping is reduced harm. Keep looking and you will see many many others have questioned the safety, and the response is always the same: while vaping may have risks, it is almost certainly better than analogs so most everyone accepts the risk and chooses vaping. There is no reason to expect that your thread will illicit any different response than the hundreds before you.

Frankshim so your first response to this post 'Not expecting any "different" responses, just stating an opinion.' then you re-respond by cutting the post to just the first line 'Who's fooling themselves' with the response 'Really? Come on now'. Hmm makes me wonder if you're a journalist, because isn't that pretty much their stock and trade to take a sentence completely out of context to support their 'opinion'

 

[frankshim]

I'm always astonished to see the response this kind of questioning provokes.

It's as if every vaper was attacked personally. The reactions are dismissive and very defensive as a rule.
Is it so unreasonable to question the safety of vaping?

The usual responses are:
1-no matter what it's much better than cigarette.
2- PG is used in asthma medication, to create smoke at shows etc.

Personally I find those arguments very questionable. First how do we know that it's much better than cigarettes? How many of us have felt the bad effects of smoking after 1 or 2 years? It usually takes much longer to become noticeable. Second how can the amounts of PG contained medication or false smoke be compared to those we are inhaling while vaping? Personally i often vape close to 10ml/day. Don't think any asthmatic inhales anywhere close to that.

Why so defensive? I vape as said quite a bit and hope it's much better than smoking but to date nobody to my knowledge has demonstrated what happens to those large quantities of PG that I inhale.

Thank You.... I thought people would respond in this manner for the most part.

 

[PeppermintPatty]

I am unclear as to why people concerned with inhaling pg/vg do not just mouth vape? I mouth/nose vape about 90% of the time. Most people get plenty of nicotine via the mucosa in the mouth and nose, in fact, many report better absorbtion there than when they lung inhale.

 

[drksideken]

I'm running on the safer alternative. When someone comes out and flat out says I'm going to get a really negative health hit from them, then I'll quit. There is a lot of ongoing research into vaping going on. The trick is to find the research that is objective and honest. From what I've been seeing in the press thus far, I'd say that a lot of money is going into making vaping look horrible. So far there are people that have vaped for over five years now and I've not heard anything negative healthwise out of them as of yet. Are we all test subjects? You bet we are, but we're willing test subjects and if it cures the world of cigarettes, I'm all for it.

 

[MissBlue]

I am unclear as to why people concerned with inhaling pg/vg do not just mouth vape? I mouth/nose vape about 90% of the time. Most people get plenty of nicotine via the mucosa in the mouth and nose, in fact, many report better absorbtion there than when they lung inhale.

This. i was under the impression that this is pretty much the entire point of vaping .... that nothing needs to be inhaled, since the nicotine is absorbed through the mucosa.

maybe i'm missing something? I am very new, so that is entirely possible - but I thought that vaping is done so we DON'T inhale - as in, that's how we clear out the lungs and let them heal from all the smoking.

 

[PeppermintPatty]

I am not sure if the original concept was mouth absorbtion only, but the sad thing to me is that there seem to be many people that just don't know that they can avoid lung hits completely if they need or want to. I think to a lot of people, there is more physical satisfaction from a lung hit, it is more remniscent of the real thing. If that is what encourages people to give vaping a try, I figure they can always stop or decrease the lung hits at a later time if they wish. I really think that if imore info gets out to the public about the ability to completely avoid lung damage, real or percieved, then the medical community will be even more likely to back it as an option while it is still in early studies.

 

[jdm1982]

well, in my research, i must say that my hypothes.....


...who am i kidding, should stay in the theme of the thread.therefore, steve jobs uses a pc and the holocaust didn't happen.

 

[klynnn]

If I wasn't going to inhale I would not vape. I might as well eat nicotene candy which is about the same thing. Why bother.

 

[neutrontech]

This. i was under the impression that this is pretty much the entire point of vaping .... that nothing needs to be inhaled, since the nicotine is absorbed through the mucosa.

maybe i'm missing something? I am very new, so that is entirely possible - but I thought that vaping is done so we DON'T inhale - as in, that's how we clear out the lungs and let them heal from all the smoking.

Many people were able to quit cigs because they could inhale vapor. It was the simulation of smoking that helped me. That throat hit and the fulfilling feeling of inhaling a cig. If not for those things, I don't think I would have stopped smoking so quickly.

Despite inhaling, and continuing to inhale, I feel all of the benefits everyone else talks about.

So no, that's not the point of vaping for me, nor for many. The point of vaping is removing the carcinogens created from the combustion of tobacco. Mouth hit versus lung hit has little or nothing to do with it.

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[Ann48]

I really really appreciate these discussions. They are honest from all perspectives. And this is the reason I'm still stuck on the analogs that have 1000s of chemicals that are destroying my lungs as we speak....and on the fence about vaping. But if I run the numbers....and I like running numbers , I'm leaning toward giving it a shot. I mean it's GUARANTEED if I continue the analogs what is going to happen. I watched and helped my mom until she died...her last 10-15 years absolutely not quality life. She only hoped to get a good breath of oxygen every once in a while as she used her oxygen at night (all night long) and some during the day....and a nebulizer...and inhalers...and hospital stays, etc. As she continued analogs at an ever increasing rate until her death...hoping to get that "ahh" feeling again. The success numbers in comparison in beating this lifelong analog thing I've been doing have me leaning toward juicing up the eGo my sis sent me...and give it a shot. And if it doesn't give me immediate problems (that's where my anxiety comes in and causes me to fear starting the vape) then I will continue like others have said and if they come out and say "this is the FACT.." with proof (not just the BS we hear) then I will stop. That's my plan...and these posts help me take another step toward just doing it and quit analyzing it to death.

 

[Japple]

My Mother who is 70 and has COPD and Emphysema has been Vaping since I Bought her a Kit for Christmas. She no Longer uses an Oxygen Tank and the Death Cackle she used to have isn't Nearly as bad or Often!

 

[Ann48]

That's wonderful Japple!!! Had I known about this when my mom was struggling, I would have helped her too. So I will ask you the infamous question....does she inhale into her lungs? Just like an analog? what kind did you get her?

 

[ouzel]

i'm like most people, if i don't vape then it's back to smoking and to hell with that.
vaping is probably not 100% safe but cigarettes are 100% dangerous
besides every time you smell perfume, air freshener, scented candles, shampoo, deodorant, aftershave, etc etc, you're inhaling chemicals what's one more? (instead of 4000 more)
also people who wrinkle their noses (non smokers, non vapers) and think you're ruining your health either way, think nothing of eating processed foods with six or seven chemicals in them i can't even pronounce.

safe, not safe, your life, your choice. quit if you think it's unsafe. and then move to mars where there's no chemicals in the air (no car emissions, factory emissions, air fresheners, etc)

happy vaping everyone!!!

 

[Legolas]

I find it hard that this thread is still breathing

 

[Japple]

Yes Definitely into the Lungs!! I got her a Generic set up from a Tobacco Shop, .I had not myself yet committed to vaping and had no idea what I was Buying. It was actually like a Little Generic 650 mah e - joy set up with a Kanger t3S or Ts3 I cant Remember. She has Been Upgraded Now but she likes her Little Batteries! I must Say It Is Nice to Have A Vaping Buddy!

 

[dilznic]

While I'm an avid vaper and I feel that vaping is *probably* a lot healthier than smoking, I can't stand the constant pseudo science that is constantly being spewed by vapers left and right.
Anything from "it's just vapor" (...?) to talking in terms of "number of chemicals" (irrelevant, you can die just as easily with 1 chemical), to "it's just VG, PG plus flavor" (flavor, including "natural" flavors can contain anything, including toxic substances), to "it's the same ingredients we use in foods" (I don't vaporize my food).
The negative health effects of smoking cigarettes are very well studied. The effects of vaping in comparison are basically unknown as far as I'm concerned.

 

[RosaJ]

While I'm an avid vaper and I feel that vaping is *probably* a lot healthier than smoking, I can't stand the constant pseudo science that is constantly being spewed by vapers left and right.
Anything from "it's just vapor" (...?) to talking in terms of "number of chemicals" (irrelevant, you can die just as easily with 1 chemical), to "it's just VG, PG plus flavor" (flavor, including "natural" flavors can contain anything, including toxic substances), to "it's the same ingredients we use in foods" (I don't vaporize my food).
The negative health effects of smoking cigarettes are very well studied. The effects of vaping in comparison are basically unknown as far as I'm concerned.

I only have one question for you: Do you vape? And, if you do, why? Check out Dr.Konstantino Farsalinos, Drexel/Burstyn studies, CASAA website. Research is your friend...

 

[Burnie]

WoW, Needed some more Anyone need a refill?

Vape On
Burnie

 

[PrimeKB]

Has to be safer than smoking.