Honest question. is vaping bad for you/ your lungs?

[DaveP]

"Correct"? Correct to who exactly?

*Citation Needed*


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It makes perfect sense that anything you inhale into your lungs has consequences compared to clean air. Not that vaping will cause serious consequences or specific illnesses, but if you limit heavy inhalation you lessen potential dangers.

I inhale more than I want to, but it's a natural thing after smoking for 40+ years. I'm trying to condition myself to do like Rolygate recommends and keep most of it out of my lungs.

Link from Rolygate's (ECF Forum Manager below) post. .
mouth inhaling versus lung inhaling NEED HELP PLEASE

 

[Zutankhamun]

I agree with others.
If athletics is your thing, don't risk it.
I feel better, much better. But my lungs have had their fair share of smoke so they are bound to feel better now.

On the other hand, if you are giving up cigs I have heard that drawing only to the mouth suppresses the cravings of nic. just don't draw to the lungs.

 

[DaveP]

I agree with others.
If athletics is your thing, don't risk it.
I feel better, much better. But my lungs have had their fair share of smoke so they are bound to feel better now.

On the other hand, if you are giving up cigs I have heard that drawing only to the mouth suppresses the cravings of nic. just don't draw to the lungs.

I agree. Athletes shouldn't suck clouds into their lungs. Vaper in small amounts may even have a cleansing effect on the lungs. Thing is, we really don't know. PG fog is used as a carrier in breathing treatments for lung patients, but it's a carrier for medicine and it's used twice a day for short periods in the hospital.

Then there's the 1940 era study where lab rats lived in a PG fog for two years while an equal number of rats lived in open cages in ordinary laboratory air. At the end of two years, the PG fog rats were healthier and all their organs were pink and healthy upon autopsy.

 

[Mazinny]

Then there's the 1940 era study where lab rats lived in a PG fog for two years while an equal number of rats lived in open cages in ordinary laboratory air. At the end of two years, the PG fog rats were healthier and all their organs were pink and healthy upon autopsy.

I wonder what color is the organs of the max vg crowd !?

 

[zoe m]

Thanks for everyones input. I used to smoke a lot but i am a dedicated athlete and stopped smoking cold turkey. at least where im from vaping is a HUGE social thing. everyone has one (ok every boy has one) you bring them to parties, when you hang out with friends, or even to school. Its fun to talk about, share flavors and builds. have trick contests. its a really really big social thing for teenagers, i just graduated high school so i would know

 

[Zutankhamun]

'everyone has one'.
That's quite nice.
In a weird way.

Remember though, being really good at athletics is waaaay more interesting and impressive than just 'if she vapes'.

Of course my girlfriend just has to vape.
But I'm older than you so that provides us with endless hours of nattering.
Otherwise, i can imagine she'll get really bored, really quick

 

[skoony]

If and until you think it's affecting your performance vape on.

Regards
Mike

 

[DaveP]

I wonder what color is the organs of the max vg crowd !?

Probably pink, grey, or some other normal shade. They probably end up with one leg longer than the other over time, though. (just kidding, guys).

 

[ENAUD]

Thanks for everyones input. I used to smoke a lot but i am a dedicated athlete and stopped smoking cold turkey. at least where im from vaping is a HUGE social thing. everyone has one (ok every boy has one) you bring them to parties, when you hang out with friends, or even to school. Its fun to talk about, share flavors and builds. have trick contests. its a really really big social thing for teenagers, i just graduated high school so i would know

I just got to ask, how many of them young folks do you think would take up smoking, also, what's the general attitude and perceptions amongst your peers regarding the whole vaping/smoking thing? Since you yourself are an admitted teenager, and you brought up this subject, know that we here are under a magnifying glass, so my asking for some sort of contextual background regarding attitudes about smoking vs vaping amongst your peers might prove enlightening. It is stated by the FDA that they have suspicions that teen vaping may lead to more teens taking up smoking.

 

[Bob Chill]

An intriguing question:

If someone lives way out in the country where air quality is always good and vapes for 30 years, would their lungs (or general health) be in better or worse shape than a never smoker/vaper who lives in LA or NYC for 30 years?

No way to answer that of course. My money is on the vapin' country boy or gal. lol

 

[Alien Traveler]

I agree. Athletes shouldn't suck clouds into their lungs. Vaper in small amounts may even have a cleansing effect on the lungs. Thing is, we really don't know. PG fog is used as a carrier in breathing treatments for lung patients, but it's a carrier for medicine and it's used twice a day for short periods in the hospital.

Then there's the 1940 era study where lab rats lived in a PG fog for two years while an equal number of rats lived in open cages in ordinary laboratory air. At the end of two years, the PG fog rats were healthier and all their organs were pink and healthy upon autopsy.

Interestingly, PG rats were much fatter that usual rats. In 1940 era it was also interpreted as an indication of health.

 

[Belhade]

I had started smoking in high school while I was running cross-country and track, and had asthma.

Switched to vaping twenty years of smoking later; while I don't run anymore (unless chased) I can blow up an inflatable kayak and paddle it across the Hudson River while puffing away, so I've found that while much better than smoking, vaping has minimal if any effect on my lungs.

 

[Eskie]

I had started smoking in high school while I was running cross-country and track, and had asthma.

Switched to vaping twenty years of smoking later; while I don't run anymore (unless chased) I can blow up an inflatable kayak and paddle it across the Hudson River while puffing away, so I've found that while much better than smoking, vaping has minimal if any effect on my lungs.

You can fully blow up a kayak? Good enough to paddle in? With your mouth and lungs alone?

I guess you don't have to worry about your tire pressure or flats then.

 

[Belhade]

Well, it's a but squishy, but still feasible. Maybe just a top-off with the hand pump.

 

[zoe m]

I just got to ask, how many of them young folks do you think would take up smoking, also, what's the general attitude and perceptions amongst your peers regarding the whole vaping/smoking thing? Since you yourself are an admitted teenager, and you brought up this subject, know that we here are under a magnifying glass, so my asking for some sort of contextual background regarding attitudes about smoking vs vaping amongst your peers might prove enlightening. It is stated by the FDA that they have suspicions that teen vaping may lead to more teens taking up smoking.

Well in my high school, smoking cigs wasn't unheard of, but hardly ever would u go to a party and people were smoking cigarettes. No one batted an eye if you did, but everyone vaped so why would u smoke a cig. also kids would bring their vapes to school everyday. you would see vape come out of the boys bathroom. kids vaping while walking into school, etc. my particular high school was quite 'open minded' to other substances . so i feel like vaping kind of trailed off or along with that, if you know what i mean haha. it was a side thing to do, after u lit up with your buddies. but its not surprising to see a girl who said she was disgusted by cigarettes, vaping with her bf at a party. or even puffing on her new juul he bought her.

 

[VNeil]

It makes perfect sense that anything you inhale into your lungs has consequences compared to clean air. Not that Vaping will cause serious consequences or specific illnesses, but if you limit heavy inhalation you lessen potential dangers.

I inhale more than I want to, but it's a natural thing after smoking for 40+ years. I'm trying to condition myself to do like Rolygate recommends and keep most of it out of my lungs.

Link from Rolygate's (ECF Forum Manager below) post. .
mouth inhaling versus lung inhaling NEED HELP PLEASE

2000 years ago some guy sat on a rock and decided that it makes perfect sense that objects fall at a speed proportional to their weight. And for almost 2000 years everyone agreed and apparently no one bothered to test that idea.

Considering that sooooo many believe what you do, it proves that humanity has never moved forward from that guy sitting on a rock making stuff up as he went along....

To the op... since your question has never actually been tested (as it should have been long ago) no opinions here are worth more than the free bits used to post them here.

 

[DaveP]

2000 years ago some guy sat on a rock and decided that it makes perfect sense that objects fall at a speed proportional to their weight. And for almost 2000 years everyone agreed and apparently no one bothered to test that idea.

Considering that sooooo many believe what you do, it proves that humanity has never moved forward from that guy sitting on a rock making stuff up as he went along....

To the op... since your question has never actually been tested (as it should have been long ago) no opinions here are worth more than the free bits used to post them here.

Newton, Copernicus, and a host of others made discoveries along a lengthy time period. Vaping is a relatively young activity and there's more to discover.

So, you don't believe that vaping flavorings, PG, and VG could be worse than just breathing plain old clean air? Air isn't exactly clean to start with and we are adding something to it when we vape. I'll probably vape until I die because I enjoy it, but I still want to know what's in the vapor.

I look for testing just to make sure that I understand what I'm vaping. We all think it's perfectly safe, but when you heat the components of e-liquid other chemicals are produced. I think it's light years safer than smoking cigarettes, but it's not 100% without iffy chemical content. It's not just PG, VG, flavorings, and nic. There are byproducts produced when you heat substances. I'm not saying they are going to kill us, just that they are there and we need to be aware of that. Check out the Spectrographic testing results of e-liquid in the link below. You have to side scroll to see it all.

http://www.restek.com/pdfs/ecigvaporposter.pdf

 

[VNeil]

So, you don't believe that vaping flavorings, PG, and VG could be worse than just breathing plain old clean air? Air isn't exactly clean to start with and we are adding something to it when we vape.

I look for testing just to make sure that I understand it. We all think it's perfectly safe, but when you heat the components of e-liquid other chemicals are produced. Check out the Spectrographic testing results of e-liquid in the link below. You have to side scroll to see it all.

http://www.restek.com/pdfs/ecigvaporposter.pdf

Eating green beans for 40 years could be a major cause of colon cancer and I dare you to prove otherwise.

I strongly believe we do not know what has not been tested. Your original argument is ANTZ playbook bullet point #5: There must be something wrong with it. Faced with the fallacy of your assertions, you've now turned around your own argument by playing ANTZ playbook point #6: I dare you to prove a negative.

It is equally likely, without any evidence to the contrary, that vaping has positive health benefits. As was pointed out previously by referencing an old PG study with lab rats. Dr Polosa in Europe has already published evidence that vapars recover from COPD better than non-vapers who quit smoking. But that does not directly apply here to a healthy young man with only a short smoking history. Hopefully Dr Polosa will get more funding to pursue his research but he'll never see a cent from the US gov't, who is quite content to perpetuate #5 and #6 in its propaganda war on vaping.

In fact most of the replies here are straight out of the ANTZ playbook and sometimes I wonder who everyone is here. But most likely most vapers are heavily influenced by ANTZ BS and I strongly believe that is why we are losing this war so badly. Not even most of the truly devout here can see past the ANTZ lies, so how can we expect the rest of the world to be any different?

Why is it so difficult to accept that, despite all the research that has actually been done (much swept under the carpet due to vaping positive results), not one single vaper has ever been shown to be harmed by vaping?

 

[DaveP]

VNeil, I don't know why you insist on thinking I'm an ANTZ supporter. Vaping took my cigarettes away in a relatively short period of time 6 1/2 years ago right after joining ECF. I'm a vapor proponent from the word go. I haven't smoked a cigarette since I quit.

That doesn't mean I vape blindly. We quit smoking for harm reduction. As with anything else, I want to know the pros and cons. After reading the cons, I'm still vaping. I just try to inhale infrequently. to make my lungs last as long as the rest of my body. I vape at 10W to prevent acrolein formation. I do as Rolygate suggests and I avoid inhaling deeply and often. Still, in the 2000 some odd puffs I vape daily, I probably inhale 1/2 of those in some manner. It's one reason I look for testing to see what's going into my lungs since I quit smoking tobacco.

Facts are facts. We can't hide from the truth. If you doubt the spectrometer testing I posted, I'd be glad to see how they rigged the test to make vaping produce byproducts.

We will all die from something. We just want to make sure it's not something we could have controlled.

 

[Alien Traveler]

2000 years ago some guy sat on a rock and decided that it makes perfect sense that objects fall at a speed proportional to their weight. And for almost 2000 years everyone agreed and apparently no one bothered to test that idea.

Considering that sooooo many believe what you do, it proves that humanity has never moved forward from that guy sitting on a rock making stuff up as he went along....

To the op... since your question has never actually been tested (as it should have been long ago) no opinions here are worth more than the free bits used to post them here.

Today we have another guy sitting on a chair (?) who decided that vaping a priory is 100% harmless. We should believe him, I suppose...