Honey flue cure??

[Mayasveil]

The only flue cured I've tried is from MFS, which they get from China. With everybody's buds being different, and were vaping different manufactuer's flavorings using various hardware will this experiment still work? Thoughts??

Max, I know the Guaiacol is very strong. What amount are you using? I use a 1 euro drop for 10ml of liquid to give a spicy, kind of smokey sensation. Does it give you the same experience? Will lowering the amount help or hinder the process? I've never tried the Oakwood, but have wanted to for a spell now. Would you want to trade a sample for a sample if you can spare it? Clove ... really??? I would have never thought of that! I will make some up without the oakwood and see what I come up with tonight and post my impressions here.

Bass, does Liquidexpress make heir own HFC or is it imported? I've never tried their brand. Would you want to trade a very small sample for a sample of my MFS flue cured? Virgina and honey .... hummmm I wonder what burley, virginia, honey, maple, clove and a needle tip drip of Guaiacol would produce. I think I'll mix up a batch of that too.

Hey Max, thank you guy for giving us a starting point.

 

[mindtwist69]

Having reread my post, I'll just edit it to say, we do not make our own flavors by hand, but our flavor makeup was generated by our own chemist.

v/r

Rob

 

[Mayasveil]

That's good to know. thanks for the info Rob.

 

[MaxUT]

The only flue cured I've tried is from MFS, which they get from China. With everybody's buds being different, and were vaping different manufactuer's flavorings using various hardware will this experiment still work? Thoughts??

I think we'll get some worthwhile information even if it turns out that we can't duplicate the particular flue cured liquids we're interested in. Might come up with a great smokey clovewood Virginia recipe!

Max, I know the Guaiacol is very strong. What amount are you using? I use a 1 euro drop for 10ml of liquid to give a spicy, kind of smokey sensation. Does it give you the same experience? Will lowering the amount help or hinder the process? I've never tried the Oakwood, but have wanted to for a spell now. Would you want to trade a sample for a sample if you can spare it? Clove ... really??? I would have never thought of that! I will make some up without the oakwood and see what I come up with tonight and post my impressions here.

Amount of guaiacol? Durned little... one mini drop (est. 0.015mL) from a 25 gauge syringe needle, and that's still too much in a 2mL batch. Thinking that pre-diluting the G-col would be a good idea, likewise the Oakwood, at least in the case of mixing small batches. (I knew I should have included those little sampler bottles on the last Perfumer's Apprentice order)

Guaiacol reminds me of the aroma of Liquid Smoke flavoring but without the hickory part. Lowering the amount used might help the process. I had thought that a combo of clove/oakwood/smoke, without any one component being individually recognizable, could be the key to that "flue-cured twang" that I perceive. If that doesn't do it, I have some Decadent Vapours Malt Whisky flavoring to throw at it. (is anyone getting skeered yet?)

I have about 2.5mL of Oakwood, I'll split it with you. PM me with a mailing address and I'll pick up some padded envelopes when I go out later today. Got any whipped cream flavoring?

Bass, does Liquidexpress make heir own HFC or is it imported? I've never tried their brand. Would you want to trade a very small sample for a sample of my MFS flue cured? Virgina and honey .... hummmm I wonder what burley, virginia, honey, maple, clove and a needle tip drip of Guaiacol would produce. I think I'll mix up a batch of that too.

I have some LiquidXpress Flue Cured flavoring left. I could add a sample of it together with the Oakwood.

Hey Max, thank you guy for giving us a starting point.

No prob, I like doing this kinda stuff.

 

[bassthumper]

Having reread my post, I'll just edit it to say, we do not make our own flavors by hand, but our flavor makeup was generated by our own chemist.

v/r

Rob

Well your chemist is a God Rob.
I'm still gonna figure out your secret recipe lol

 

[bassthumper]

I don't taste any clove in the HFC??

Neither do I, but to me there's a spicy bite in LX HFC, similar to that in Best Ecig flue cured; this is what I consider to be the difference between "flue-cured" and Virginia. (I don't get the same taste from Dekang Flue Cured) I'm thinking that the right balance among Maple, Clove, Oakwood and Smoke (guaiacol) could come close to this taste.

I'm glad we FINALLY have found a few other people that share the same interest and know how to DIY.

Hey, it's my new project!

I have this Dekang USA mix e-liquid. It's OKAY at best, but I noticed when I load it into a cartomizer, it tastes ALOT like the HFC from Liquidxpress. ALOT.

Interesting. What kind of cartos are you using? Maybe the flue (air passage) is cured.

I'll keep testing different recipes and you guys keep on experimenting and we'll get this recipe down eventually!

Be prepared to make like Thomas Edison.

Good work guys! We'll call ourselves the HFC team lol!

Yay team!

Who wants to apply for cheerleader?

I only use Boge cartomizers. Like I said it's close, but not QUITE like HFC.
I want to add- I don't plan on making any kind of money or selling anything. This is strictly for my own personal vaping.
We'll figure it out!

 

[bassthumper]

The only flue cured I've tried is from MFS, which they get from China. With everybody's buds being different, and were vaping different manufactuer's flavorings using various hardware will this experiment still work? Thoughts??

Max, I know the Guaiacol is very strong. What amount are you using? I use a 1 euro drop for 10ml of liquid to give a spicy, kind of smokey sensation. Does it give you the same experience? Will lowering the amount help or hinder the process? I've never tried the Oakwood, but have wanted to for a spell now. Would you want to trade a sample for a sample if you can spare it? Clove ... really??? I would have never thought of that! I will make some up without the oakwood and see what I come up with tonight and post my impressions here.

Bass, does Liquidexpress make heir own HFC or is it imported? I've never tried their brand. Would you want to trade a very small sample for a sample of my MFS flue cured? Virgina and honey .... hummmm I wonder what burley, virginia, honey, maple, clove and a needle tip drip of Guaiacol would produce. I think I'll mix up a batch of that too.

Hey Max, thank you guy for giving us a starting point.

I would totally do a trade, however I JUST ran out (hence the urgency in my posts ha ha)
I'll probably order some more soon and I will be in touch on this thread. I will let you know when I get some more because I'd like to try yours

 

[MaxUT]

Well, if we come up with anything good, I'm going to sell some to a friend at work who's always asking if I've come across any new flue cured juices. That'll teach him.

 

[Hoosier]

Thoughts anyone?

Please keep in mind that I am unfamiliar with the juice flavor you folks are attempting to re-create and I am coming from what I remember as a lad that worked tobacco for spending money...

Flue cured is a sweet burley, rather a method for sweetening burley, typically.

My thought would be to go with a Burley/Virginia mix 50/50 at 7% if the just-Virginia at 7% was getting close and drop your smoke tone just a tad.

The Burley may add enough bite so that clove can stay at the same level and give a general spicey tone that hangs in the background for the maple to bring out.

Just thoughts and I would have remained silent if you hadn't asked Max...

 

[MaxUT]

Burley... now there's a Thought.

I'll do it. My wee bottle of FA Burley has been standing in the unemployment line of the flavoring rack for too long. In fact I think I've only made one batch and that was soon after receiving it many milliliters ago. Seemed somewhat floral at that time but that was when I still believed in FA's "1-2%" recommendations. Bite huh? Okay, I'll bite.

In fact, I don't want to quit until incorporating at least a dozen flavorings in the brew... the more the merrier, men.

Glad you showed up. I had a funny idea about quick-steeping juice, something about swaddling the bottle in a cylinder of foam packaging wrap and placing it in a plastic bin in the trunk of the car. What with the warm weather and the way I drive, it should be ready in a jiffy. What do you Think?

 

[Hoosier]

Ah, just throw it in my trunk. If I'm not pulling at least 0.8G turns it because I'm on the way to the chiro. And I always take the most curves possible...I like my women that way too...

(My oldest son was holding a 12 ton bottle jack and looking in my trunk and said, "Dad. I don't think I should put this in there with the way you drive." I had to put it in and it still crushed some stuff by the time we made it back to his truck that popped a tie rod. Broken ladder ball anyone?)

I find a hot water bath and occational shaking works pretty well. About 5 days of steep in about an hour. Give or take.

 

[MaxUT]

Ah, just throw it in my trunk. If I'm not pulling at least 0.8G turns it because I'm on the way to the chiro. And I always take the most curves possible...I like my women that way too...

Confucius say: landscape with many curves will entice man into heavenly ditch...

Broken ladder ball anyone?

I like that game but I no longer have the balls to play it.

 

[DM]

Max, Bass, Mayasveil and everyone else.....I'm not throwing in the towel yet... but! I have murdered about 200mil of base and about 40mil of flavoring trying to get this honey flu cure down.. aaaaahhhrraaaa!!! The hell with it, I'm going to order up another 30mil of it from Rob while I continue to test. Anyone figure out Rob's artisan recipe?? Just kidding Rob....LOL

 

[MaxUT]

Holy vapes, DM! That's a lot of murder in the pursuit of a flu cure!

 

[DM]

Tell me about it......My wife is ......... LOL!

 

[mindtwist69]

Don't worry DM, when you get your bottle of it, you'll enjoy it like always.

 

[DM]

Hey Rob,....you got that right !! Thanks for the great juices I mean, Thank your chemist for me LOL!

 

[MaxUT]

Testing Hardware
Notcigs Buzz and newly-seasoned Joye 510 atomizer at 2.1Ω

Batch #1 revisited -- http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/189838-honey-flue-cure-2.html#post3353433
At 4.2 volts: V² /Ω = 8.4 watts
The smokey taste has faded a bit, the maple is slightly more noticeable, but otherwise it's much the same. We can safely forget about this one.

Test Batch #2, 3mL
2.4mL FA Virginia base, 7% flavoring, 24mg, 45/55 PG/VG
0.3mL FA Honey............ 10%
0.2mL FA Maple Syrup... 6.6%
0.1mL FA Clove............. 3.3%
0.02mL FA Oakwood...... 0.6%
0.02mL PA Guaiacol....... 0.6%

Impressions at 4.2 volts
Now, this is better balanced and doesn't have the excessive wood smoke character of #1. Maple is still surprisingly faint (although it leaves a definite scent in the air) and the honey is still missing in action. Clove must be around here somewhere... It has a somewhat dry taste. Hmmm.

Impressions at 4.8 volts -- 11 watts
Wowee! A little more voltage makes a big difference, now It's Alive! (sorry Doc V)
***Unfortunately, it's still only distantly related to flue cured.***
The taste I'm getting is smooth, full-bodied pipe-like tobacco, slightly dry, very very slightly sweet, with smokiness tempered by maple and yes, the barest hint of honey. It ain't too bad -- for a mistake.

I'm going to let this one steep some more, do a bit more testing and perhaps tweaking (some Perique Black, m'sieur?) and eventually put it up in the recipe section as "Oakey Smokey".

So, back on the path to Flueville...

Thoughts
The Oakwood gots to go.
The Guaiacol can stay if it behaves itself.
The Honey needs to show up for the performance.
I'm still thinking that Clove has a place in the crowd.
Perhaps we should invite Ethyl M. to the party?

Hoosier has suggested incorporating FA Burley into the tobacco base. -- http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/189838-honey-flue-cure-3.html#post3355144
I've been remiss in working with this particular variety so I'll defer to his superior knowledge and say, "Arrgh, why not?"

Thoughts anyone? Bueller? Hoosier?

 

[bassthumper]

I'm not familiar with the Guaiacol and I've been interested in the "wood" flavors as I like Applewood from BWB quite a bit. Might have to try some of that-
STILL the closest I've gotten is a DEKANG USA MIX that I added FA HONEY to and it was the closest mix I've had thus far.
And it still wasn't good enough IMO.
*sigh*

 

[DM]

bassthumper.......I just vaped one I made yesterday. I used in a 5mil bottle - .8mil TFA honey. 1 drop TFA hickory smoke.
4 drops TFA tobacco. 1 drop Loranns caramel and 1 drop of vodka. The base I made before mixing is 80%VG 20%distilled water.
It didn't even come close to Robs 'chemist' mix but it was tasty