House of Hybrids featuring the Zenesis PV

[QueenofHearts]

Bloody Hell!!! The Queen Has Gone From A "Monkey Junkie", To A "Total Zenfidel"!!!
This Definitely Looks To Be "THE Place To Be"...
Between The Zenesis, And "This Most Amazing Cast Of Fellow Zenfidels"
All Together In "The Den Of Zeniquity"!!!

 

[Drottwiler]

Right there with ya.Just wish I hadn't waited so long to try the rebuildables.It's a good thing though cause the Zenesis is the easiest one I've seen to rebuild.

 

[Drottwiler]

Mike hows the Pyrex tanks coming.Will you be offering SS tanks in the future?

 

[vicsan]

Ya Can Trust The Queen On This...
It Won't Only Be An Addiction...
It Will Become The Only Way To Vape!!!
Once You've Vaped With A Genesis Atty, There's NO Going Back...

I had a feeling that would be the case! Will we be called Zenaholics? We'll have to attend ZA, Zenfidel's Anonymous, meetings and have Den of Zeniquity 12 Step Program.

 

[aziffel]

I had a feeling that would be the case! Will we be called Zenaholics? We'll have to attend ZZ anonymous and have Zen of Inequity's 12 Step Program.

Its the zenfidels!

 

[DapperDan]

Ahhh! Finally got my name on the list. I feel like a huge weight was just lifted off my shoulders!...odd how that works.

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[QueenofHearts]

Right there with ya.Just wish I hadn't waited so long to try the rebuildables.It's a good thing though cause the Zenesis is the easiest one I've seen to rebuild.

Not Only That, But Ya Literally Have $aved Yourself A "Queen's Ransom" On "Prototypes" By Starting Out With The Best!!!

 

[Zen~]

I had a feeling that would be the case! Will we be called Zenaholics? We'll have to attend ZZ anonymous and have Zen of Inequity's 12 Step Program.

Ahemmm... "Den of Zeniquity"

And why would you need a twelve step program? There's no need to quit!

 

[Zen~]

Mike hows the Pyrex tanks coming.Will you be offering SS tanks in the future?

Working on that... I had a local glass worker make me one... It didn't fit! Trying another person that hopefully can measure.

 

[rshack]

Hello campers. You guys are like the friggin' Borg, and I am about to surrender via PM as soon as I can make a decision about which one...

In the meantime, I have a question: Since this enlightened approach makes VV unnecessary and therefore presumably obsolete, why oh why are the custom Z-atty's designed for noteworthy VV devices such as Provari's and Buzz Pro's and not for equally noteworthy 3.7 devices such as P18's and Silver Bullets? ('Not trying to cause trouble... just wondering about it as I sit here staring at my equally noteworthy 3.7 devices ;-)

 

[UA72Riddle]

Hello campers. You guys are like the friggin' Borg, and I am about to surrender via PM as soon as I can make a decision about which one...

In the meantime, I have a question: Since this enlightened approach makes VV unnecessary and therefore presumably obsolete, why oh why are the custom Z-atty's designed for noteworthy VV devices such as Provari's and Buzz Pro's and not for equally noteworthy 3.7 devices such as P18's and Silver Bullets? ('Not trying to cause trouble... just wondering about it as I sit here staring at my equally noteworthy 3.7 devices ;-)

VV doesn't necessarily mean 5-7v. Some use a VV mod to regulate consistent voltage throughout the vape. Plus...some people dial the volts way down first thing in the morning for a cooler vape, then turn it up during the day.

I use AW IMR batteries to achieve consistency....but I really never was a fan of high voltage. I keep my infinity set between 4.0 and 4.7......not much more than that.

 

[Brewzz]

VV doesn't necessarily mean 5-7v. Some use a VV mod to regulate consistent voltage throughout the vape. Plus...some people dial the volts way down first thing in the morning for a cooler vape, then turn it up during the day.

I use AW IMR batteries to achieve consistency....but I really never was a fan of high voltage. I keep my infinity set between 4.0 and 4.7......not much more than that.

To add a bit to Riddle's response; I believe Zen is in the process of developing Z-Atties for all of the popular mods, as well as a universal 510 Z-Atty. If you go back a few pages, you'll see an early prototype of the Z-Atty-G, for the GGs, which (I think) are non-VV PVs.

 

[Drottwiler]

I'm excited about the universal 510 Z-Atty I'm on the list.Have several woods and tub mods this will rock on.

 

[rshack]

To add a bit to Riddle's response; I believe Zen is in the process of developing Z-Atties for all of the popular mods, as well as a universal 510 Z-Atty. If you go back a few pages, you'll see an early prototype of the Z-Atty-G, for the GGs, which (I think) are non-VV PVs.

Yeah, I saw that. I've read everydamnthing here, and I can even remember most of it ;-)

The main problem with the custom GG Z-atty is that I don't have a GG. I was gonna get one just as soon as Whatshisname got some more in, but then I ran into this thread and, well, you can guess the rest.

The reason I asked about the custom ones is that Zen mentioned the issue of unsightly gaps between mod and atty as one motivation for doing custom versions. That was the first time I ever heard (saw) anybody say it out loud. I want a gapless Z-atty for one or two things I've already got (in addition to the Zenesis mod I'm gonna get on the list for).

Given all that, I can be patient... especially since there's no good alternative to being patient. If my great-grandfather was alive, I'd ask him if it was like this back when cars first came out...

 

[JollyRogers]

I'll throw a wrench in the "I don't need VV" theory for Genisis. I have and do use genesis atomizers. When I build one I shoot for a 1.7-2.0Ω coil, and you know what, sometimes I don't get it. Seems I get a 2.2-2.6Ω coil a lot and with my ProVari, I can monitor my coil resistance, and adjust the voltage to where I need it for that coil... Instead of rebuilding etc. With a kick or Darwin (I have neither) you can set the wattage and go. Additionally, batts start to drain off with use and the vape will get colder.

Now with that, I am on the list for a Zenesis mini and a Z-Atty-G (daddy)(I just love the sound of that). Mini is for size... but the Z-Atty-G will go on my GGTS and have a Kick added in to compensate for my inadequacies in consistent coil wrapping. Just didn't want one for my ProVari as it is not my usual go to mod for some stupid reason.

 

[ken729]

that is exactly why i'm getting a kick for my zenesis jolly...i suck at making the proper resistance coil. hopefully regulated power will fix my fail

 

[Brewzz]

I'm aslo waiting (not so) patiently for a universal 510 Z-Atty, thanks to the Zenfidels , and a mini.
I'm really looking forward to using the mini, and think that I'll like it a lot, but I'm also planning to do plenty of experimenting with the Z-Atty on my VV box.

 

[Zen~]

I have several VV devices in my arsenal... I love VV... for what it's worth. I have A ProVari, A Lava Tube, An Infinity and an Infinity Pro. I also have a rather cumbersome and oversized Prototype of a VV Zenesis that will never be released, because I don't want to deal with being an electronics manufacturer when there are plenty of VV PVs on the market.

But you don't "need" VV for a Mesh/coil atty. You may want it... You can even benefit from it... but need?

I don't agree that there is "need" involved.

The biggest benefit of VV, as far as I'm concerned is Voltage regulation... I set it at 3.6v - 3.8v and it stays there... that's nice.

But an IMR battery without a VV circuit has a pretty smooth power curve, spending most of it's charge life ABOVE 3.6v... when the vape feels a little weak, I change the battery... That's after about 8 hours of vaping like my life depended on it... problem solved.

I've been working with Mesh/coil attys for quite a while... I've done a TON of experimenting. I don't claim to know everything, but I know a lot!

I have watched countless threads where folks have issues getting their atty to perform properly. But do you know what I've noticed? The people that have the hardest time getting them to work are experienced vapers... Newbs follow instructions... If they get it wrong, they read the instructions again. If that still doesn't work, they ask for help. No problem, but usually they get it right.

When a newb has trouble getting a device to work properly, they blame themselves and correct the problem... if a Maven vaper finds something to be difficult or problematic, they blame the device and dive head first into fixing what they perceive as design flaws. If you have been vaping 2 or more years (even a little less), you remember Pyramid Tea Bags, Blue Foam, Fluval... what a headache... but eCigs required tweaking back then... a lot of it! Then along came the carto... I remember the raised eyebrows... HUH? What's this? How do I tweak it? Ummm... I can't make it work! It tastes funny... how do I fill it? OH, and remember the taryn spin?

How fun!

When I first took the Zenesis to Vapercon in Richmond... I remember the questions... "Can I put 2 Cr123a Batteries in it?" "Can I use my NiMh 4.8v battery?"

The answer is YES... You CAN...

But here's why you shouldn't...

Watts are watts... I'm not going to break out with the math here... it's old news.

Trust me... We are working with the "LAWS" of physics here... not the "General guidelines" of physics or even the "Really Good Suggestions" of physics...

LAWS...

And it's always the Mavens that want to vape at higher voltages because THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED THE BENEFIT of doing so, with HR Attys and Cartos... And they KNOW how to get a consistent vape at those voltages, and more importantly, with the cartos and attys they are using it requires that kind of voltage to get that satisfying vape...

I'm going to repeat something important here...

"with the cartos and attys they are using it requires that kind of voltage to get that satisfying vape... "

But with a Mesh/coil atty, no such issue exists. In fact, twice as many wraps to get to higher resistance, thus higher voltage INCREASES the chance of having a shorted coil... More wraps = greater opportunity for failure.

More wraps costs more...

More wraps increases the liklihood that the juice will burn off the wick more rapidly, thus increasing wicking problems!

So back to VV... the regulation aspects are good, and useful... not needed, but good and useful. The higher voltages attainable with VV are not needed at all. The lower voltages for fine tuning are nice... but needed? Nah.

BUT...

If you HAVE a VV device and you want to be able to get into these attys without having to buy a whole new PV... The Z-atty line is there... and they are designed to fit specific PVs because I am an OCD idiot that hates unsightly gaps... The Provari is a Nice PV... The ScubaGen atty/tank is cool looking... Put one on top of the other... That's some goofy looking stuff...

I always say "Vape Proud"... but hey, Some Times it's hard to vape proud when your gear looks like you stole it off the set of Mystery Science Theater 3000

/Madman Rant Session...

 

[Brewzz]

Well said!!

Love the MST3000 reference!!!

I just might have to swipe that for a signature quote

 

[Zen~]

Well said!!

Love the MST3000 reference!!!

I should design a Tom Servo Signature model PV...