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Need help from former MFS (MyFreedomSmokes) customers
Has any found a supplier or company that has tobacco e-juice like or very similar to MFS Turbosmog, Tall Paul, or Red Luck?
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that would be kewl, I really miss watching that show every weekend
anyhoo, that was well said Mike... and I agree with you. I myself being a noob to rebuildables, I own an iAtty and an Odysseus. all the peeps that came out and designed and make their own did it for a reason, to create something that would better enhance juice flavor, better vapor production, and lower cost of materials.... there's some good one's out there, and then there's some not so good ones....I won't get into it so plz dont ask me which are in my opinion... I do like Imeo's atty designs, but, they are tedious to say the least....wrapping NR and R wire together, around a flimsy ceramic or silicon wick, assembling the myriad parts...just to have a finished and working unit. yes they work great, but then, I love Zen's design more. easy to build, and only 2 parts to add...the coil and wick...no regular wire to deal with, no half dozen to a dozen parts you have to assemble to throw it together.... murphy's law states, the more things that can go wrong, the more likely it is to.... I myself am looking forward to recieving my Z-atty Pro, G and Zenesis mod... who knows what happens from there, but I know I'll still be vaping those....
Been away for a few and looks like I'm gonna have to go back and read about the Z-atty. I'm gonna need one for my Icon and Prodigy V2 lol. I'm gonna need to get me a Mini Zen too.
Zen your work looks so professional. I totally agree with all that you have written. I love reading well thought out and explained info. Thanks for you time and your love of the vape.
Zen your work looks so professional. I totally agree with all that you have written. I love reading well thought out and explained info. Thanks for you time and your love of the vape.
I'm sorry to be a pest-as I've asked this question before-but didn't get an answer.
There is quite a contigent of avid reo users, including myself. I'm in line for a mini zenesis-but really also want a bottom fed gensis atty that would work on my reo. Not really sure how it would work-perhaps it would just be a 510 atty, with a SS horizontal wick and rebuildable coil. Wouldn't make a lot a sense to have a vertical ss wick, as you wouldn't have to wick into the tank-as you can just squeeze up the juice.
Any thoughts about this Zen. Any chance at all for this.
Thanks. ddd
There is quite a contigent of avid reo users, including myself. I'm in line for a mini zenesis-but really also want a bottom fed gensis atty that would work on my reo. Not really sure how it would work-perhaps it would just be a 510 atty, with a SS horizontal wick and rebuildable coil. Wouldn't make a lot a sense to have a vertical ss wick, as you wouldn't have to wick into the tank-as you can just squeeze up the juice.
Any thoughts about this Zen. Any chance at all for this.
Thanks. ddd
Just let the Z-Atty-U feed the Reo from the top tank.
Any tank I've ever used on my Reos had to have an adapter (510/510) though because of the deep wells around the connectors. The Z-Atty-U would just be filled with liquid and feed the Reo from the top instead of the bottom. Just leave the bottom feeder bottle empty, or leave it filled to use later with a carto, regular atty or carto/tank. Perhaps Zen~ can speak to using an adapter with the Z-Atty-U? Would it be an issue? I dunno.
When I use a tank on my Reos, I just leave the bottom bottle full and when the tank runs dry on top, I just put on a carto and vape the bottle. It's nice! 11ml (6ml bottle and 5ml tank) of juice lasts a LONG time.
The Queen Thanks Zen!!! Finally Somebody Else Is Saying This Too...
I Totally Understand Those Who Haven't Had The Pleasure Of Enjoying A Genesis Atty Yet Not Knowing This, And I'm Very Happy For All Of Those Who Will Be!!!
What I Don't Understand Are Those Who Have Experience With Genesis Attys Who Do This, And Even Promote It?
No Reason To Complicate That Which Is Simply Perfect Already...
With A Zenesis You Will Have The Perfect Mod = A Variable Voltage, All Mechanical And The First Of It's Kind Made With Surgical Grade, Stainless Steel!!!
I've been saying VV or HV is just not necessary with a Genisis mod for AGES. So many people disagree with me on this that have either never had a Genisis mod or are just starting out. I just smile now and blow out a cloud of warm tasty vapor on a 3.7V battery.
I figure one day the epiphany will hit them and they will realize I was telling them the truth.
Ya Can Trust The Queen On This...
It Won't Only Be An Addiction...
It Will Become The Only Way To Vape!!!
Once You've Vaped With A Genesis Atty, There's NO Going Back...
+1 on this for sure
It sounds like you are not taking into account the internal resistance of your multimeter. If you touch the leads together while set to measure ohms you will see a reading of between 0.4 - 0.6. If you add that to what you measure with the meter you will get exactly what the provari reads. Wrap your coils so they read 1.0 or 1.1 on your multimeter then test on the provari and tell me if you don't end up at 1.5 or 1.6. I'd be quite surprised if you still feel the need for high voltage at that point. If you do, take one more coil off and hold on to your hat
It sounds like you are not taking into account the internal resistance of your multimeter. If you touch the leads together while set to measure ohms you will see a reading of between 0.4 - 0.6. If you add that to what you measure with the meter you will get exactly what the provari reads. Wrap your coils so they read 1.0 or 1.1 on your multimeter then test on the provari and tell me if you don't end up at 1.5 or 1.6. I'd be quite surprised if you still feel the need for high voltage at that point. If you do, take one more coil off and hold on to your hat
If the coil reads 1.0 on his meter, it's probably closer to a .6 ohm carto... If the leads read .4 added to the atty at .6 it will read 1.0....
But seriously... Throw the meters away... You can't vape a number! If I've said it once I've said it a hundred times! Start with 4 wraps of kanthal... If its too hot, add a coil... Too cool, remove a coil...
On a ProVari that is severely current limited, start with 5 wraps then follow the above procedure!
I promise...it works.
Really!
In short... There is zero chance of me making a horizontal coil BFA.. (bottom feeding atty)
Your best hope for that is Scubanatdans BFG if it ever goes to coop. I've seen the prototype in person and I have vaped it. I can honestly say it works very well as a silica atty... It's pretty finicky as a mesh atty.
The following statement is my opinion. It's based on research and experience with Mesh/coil attys.
I feel that bottom feeding PVs do not lend themselves to performing well with mesh/coil attys (which I will now call MCAs from this point forward)
Here's why... The MCA works best when the wick is fully soaked and in full contact with juice at all times. The mesh commutes the juice to the coil using capillary action, and when it is fully soaked, it does this remarkably well.
The reason I supply pre rolled and oxidized wicks already pre-soaking in PG or VG is because it takes a little time for a dry wick to fully saturate, and during this break in time the vaping experience can be poor. I avoid that entirely with this pre-soak.
An MCA has limited ability to store juice in its pores... When it is in full and constant contact with juice the capillary action takes over. Traditional thread on attys have a bit of fluid storage built into them, and they can hold a little juice. They work well with bottom feeding or dripping for this very reason, because they will hold a couple drops in the system between pumps of the bottle. An MCA lacks this ability, as stated above.
The Reo is a fine PV when used as designed, but this feed system does not provide for constant juice contact, nor was it designed to. I currently have a mini in my possession for research purposes, and thus far, the best vape I have had with it is using it as designed with an HH357 atty, close second is an IKV 306LR. Every mesh atty I have tried on it presents a lackluster vaping experience... One or two good hits, then it quickly goes downhill from there as the wick is expunged of juice. The resultant dry wick condition is a harsh alternative to a well performing MCA.
I'm not capriciously attacking the idea... I've worked on a couple designs that hold juice in an internal cup, but more often than not that juice ends up needing replenisment long before a standard atty would. Then you're in harsh hit city, and I hate that town!
I'm not saying it will never happen... I just don't see the solution on the horizon just yet.
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It sounds like you are not taking into account the internal resistance of your multimeter. If you touch the leads together while set to measure ohms you will see a reading of between 0.4 - 0.6. If you add that to what you measure with the meter you will get exactly what the provari reads. Wrap your coils so they read 1.0 or 1.1 on your multimeter then test on the provari and tell me if you don't end up at 1.5 or 1.6. I'd be quite surprised if you still feel the need for high voltage at that point. If you do, take one more coil off and hold on to your hat
Appreciate all the help and knowledge here, but I don't feel the need for high voltage either, only for my WANT to have the ability to make a minor changes in voltage between 3.3-4.5vdc. I have been an electronics tech going on 30 years. I understand how a multimeter works. Mine (at home) has a 0.3 offset in its readings, but typically use the ProVari to check resistance cause it is easier to screw it on, click 10 times and watch it. But I used to use the xmeter all the time when building atos, or checking them.
I am ONLY adjusting for slight differences in coil resistance, because IMO there is a noticeable performance difference with a .5Ω diff in the coil. I also have been using/building genisis atomizers off and on since 27Jan2011, so not an expert, but I know what I like. I understand making coils and how to do so, and have been doing so for almost two years. But sometimes I will make that coil and it will be to low or high in resistance, maybe due to connections to the posts, length to the posts, or maybe not a good oxidation for my mesh. On my ProVari I can simply adjust the voltage down if it is to hot or go up if it is to cool to my liking, vice wrapping another coil or trying to adjust the one I have on there. Call me lazy because I WANT that capability, have it, and use it. But high voltage? No, I am not saying that.
And that's cool if that's what you want to do...
The trouble with all the tech talk, is that it causes the non-techies to feel as though this stuff is needed to get it to work, and nothing is further from the truth.
The Zenesis concept is to take the MCA to the people... people that don't want to roll mesh wicks, or oxidize them with a torch. It's all about making something that was originally in the exclusive domain of handyman technical types and making it easy and accessible for the average Joe or Jill to setup and use. And doing it without a performance compromise... these attys are not only the easiest MCA to use... I'm told by folks that have pretty much everything available in this class, that they ALSO perform the best... probably because they are the easiest to setup correctly.
I'm not saying there isn't technology behind the decisions that are being presented, I'm just saying that to use the system it is not in any way necessary to have a technical background, or even an interest in technology at all!
For some folks, the numbers, calculations and the technology is really exciting... for others, and in fact for many, the numbers are frightening. There is real fear that they will get it wrong! Each time I see a post mentioning meters on the thread, My PM box gets hit with a few questions asking if this is complex to learn how to use. The fear is real!
Well the truth is, there IS science and math behind all of this, and if you want to know how it all works that information is available here... but I want to ASSURE people that they CAN do this, and they can do it while knowing NONE of the technology... this as as close to plug and play as an MCA can be, and so far absolutely nobody has failed when trying one of these PVs!
Can you use this with VV? Absolutely, that's why I've created the Z-Atty-Pro... is it needed? No sir... The ZPVs work great as straight up mechanical devices with no electronics whatsoever.
Definitely, I can understand the want of having the ability to adjust voltage and I didn't mean to imply you didn't know what you were doing. My wife uses a provari for the same reason. She does not want to have to tune the atty and does not have the capability to do it herself so I setup the atty for her and she can dial it in to her liking with the adjustments on the provari.
So here we are. No offense taken honestly, we don't know each other personally... but we have some of the same interests for sure.
Zen~ I was not trying to imply we need VV to enjoy an atty like this and apologize if that was the impact. In fact some have PM'd me and I explained how you have essentially made it easy peasy to wrap a coil and go. So get busy building these PVs so the masses can enjoy them
Zen~ I was not trying to imply we need VV to enjoy an atty like this and apologize if that was the impact. In fact some have PM'd me and I explained how you have essentially made it easy peasy to wrap a coil and go. So get busy building these PVs so the masses can enjoy them
JR, no need to apologize!
I just want to make sure nobody gets the idea that just because some people enjoy using VV on these attys, it in no way means that VV is needed... and also, the tech stuff frightens the hell out of the very people that this device was designed to engage!
The good news is... this is a rebuildable that can be enjoyed by newcomers, mavens, and all folks in between... and that can only be a good thing!
I just want to make sure nobody gets the idea that just because some people enjoy using VV on these attys, it in no way means that VV is needed... and also, the tech stuff frightens the hell out of the very people that this device was designed to engage!
The good news is... this is a rebuildable that can be enjoyed by newcomers, mavens, and all folks in between... and that can only be a good thing!
good discussion fellas! i always enjoy reading the MCA veterans opinions on these things
Thanks so much for the reply. I had thought about those issues and it makes sense. I guess one silica solution is to get a bulli and drill a bottom hole in for the feed. Perhaps the only way to get a true MCA is to rewire the reo (and the grand is bigger-more real estate, and a 6 ml juice bottle) so that the top 510 connector is actually a genesis set up with leads and a ss wick that goes directly down into the juice bottle-which can easily be replaced with a glass bottle. That's way out of my electronics league. Wish someone would attempt though, as the reo is pleasant to hold and indestructible. It would hold 6 mls of juice in a screw top bottle, and relative large battery size.
FWIW--That has been my experience as well. The 357 is the winner, but it's hard to come by lately and it's more than Double the cost of the Ikenvape iO306.
The 357, as much as I hate saying it, is by far the best thread-on disposable atty I have ever used. It is, however, oppressively expensive, hard to acquire and better than the IKV306. The 306 is an exceptional atty as well, but after using the 357, knowing that I'm missing performance seems less than adequate. It's funny... it was MORE than adequate before the 357 came along.
MCAs are better, though... and once the initial price has settled, they are inexpensive to maintain, but Rio owners just don't have the opportunity to experience it in the way they would like.
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