How are you preparing for the vapocalypse?

[Bob Chill]

The thing that really burns me to no end with the push for heavy regulation is the fact that the government wants to control yet another aspect of my life. Another decision being made against our freedom and liberty. With a recreational vice that is likely not much worse for me than drinking my morning coffee no less.

The ANTZ and any anti anything crew is nauseating. Heaven forbid they get something taken away from them that is important to them. As loud as they are about something that they don't participate in or are affected by, I can only imagine megaphones in the streets. I really wish people would stay the heck out of my life and stop making decisions for me. And it's not just anti-vaping that ticks me off. I have a laundry list.

 

[Rickb119]

The thing that really burns me to no end with the push for heavy regulation is the fact that the government wants to control yet another aspect of my life.

And it's not just anti-vaping that ticks me off. I have a laundry list.

I have a database.

 

[Str8vision]

.........It's obvious we have no control over the BIG Federal Goverment...What happened to "We the People"...really sad to see this happening!

Some say "We the people" would now be more accurately read as "We the subjugated". Many believe the federal government has been spiraling out of control for decades, made possible by a gullible, complacent and "willfully oblivious" citizenry more focused on the exploits of tabloid celebrities than the malicious, reckless actions/deeds of their elected officials. Others claim the final remaining vestiges of the great Republic we once were collapsed when the SCOTUS ruled that corporations were "people" and their unlimited cash bribes to politicians was considered "free speech". They infer that under today's thinly veiled corporatocracy, the rule of law is all but sold to the highest bidder(s). That Mr./Ms. BT and BP have been very verbose exercising "considerable" free speech with our elected officials each and every year. This could explain why the FDA, without any tangible, credible scientific evidence, is pointing the regulatory shotgun in our direction. State and local governments can smell potential revenue sources from great distances and are circling above like ravenous vultures waiting for the kill. We've already witnessed the draconian tax rates many states have in mind. One can - almost - see their buns clenched in euphoric anticipation of such a monetary windfall. The optimists amongst us believe that science, truth and fact will prevail, the realists believe that money, power and greed always win. I believe that "time will tell" who's right and who's wrong but certainly see no harm in planning/preparing for all potential outcomes. My freezer is well stocked, is yours?

 

[Bob Chill]

I have a database.

If an anti crew of anything can freely admit that they are ok with other people knowing what's best for them and that they themselves are incapable of making their own personal correct choices in life then I'll still disagree with their statements but accept who they are because they aren't a hypocrite. For all the rest of the busybody mosquitoes...I hope you have a horrific super glue accident that renders you speechless and typeless for the rest of your time on earth.

 

[Bad Ninja]

It's about control. We need to address this together, locally, everywhere.

There are more of us (rational, thinking adults) than them, regardless of the propaganda they preach.
People might be a little lazy, but most aren't dumb.
Crush them with logic. Bury them with facts.

ANTZ shouldn't start quarrels with boots.

 

[caramel]

I propose we create a gallery of shame website for the ANTZ - name, photo, affiliation and scientific fails.

 

[ItTechy]

In a way I think "they" are pouncing on vapers to avoid having to deal with the legalization of FISH!

We can thank the Nixon administration for it's classification...ignoramuses!

It's so all about the monies!

Greedy 'tards!

 

[Stinkytofus]

When it comes i switch to 0nic, they cant touch me

 

[mauricem00]

fortunately we live in a global economy and the internet gives us access to the global market. people have been buying prescription drugs online from foreign companies for years because the can not afford to buy them from domestic drug stores.if nicotine becomes too expensive here this will just create an opportunity for some business man in china or india to sell us what we want at a fair price.they can't stop dangerous drugs from coming here. how are they going to stop nicotine

 

[Woofer]

This assumes "they" want to stop it, I think it is more like "they" want to control the market and "sell" starting at ~ 1 buck a mil.
I could be wrong but don't bet on it imo.

 

[CMD-Ky]

The mushy headed among us tell us that diversity is our strength. To the Machiavellian among us diversity is the tool used to divide us. There is truth in the nugget, "Divide and conquer".

They think there is a problem with the Arowana black market..HA!

They do not have clue!

I personally know a vape shop owner who is stock piling the "essentials" and will offer his mixology services under the table if need be!

All prohibition or heavy taxation will produce is yet another avenue of corruption and crime!

As mentioned in a few posts previously, be wise who you vote for, learn how to DIY, and prepare!

It doesn't take a fortune to stock pile for yourself, this is not food or water and essentially does not take up a ton of space if you have a deep freezer.

There is more to this that just ignorant politicians, there are politicians as always on the take from big pharma, and big tobacco...

The bill (s) they are considering in California are sponsored by the American Heart Association, Lung Association, and at least one pharmaceutical company that I remember!

While people in the U.S. are "outraged" and this and that, we also as people have been intentionally un-unified by government influneces, because there is power in unity, and numbers.

If people do not put all their differences aside and start to realize who the real enemies are and become unified, our governing bodies will do whatever they want.

Before WWII there was no federal income tax; do you all realize that today there are over 1000 plus various taxes that did not exist 100 years ago!

Indeed we are losing not only our freedoms, and liberties, but eventually our way of life as we know it!

The only resolve is to work towards getting real representation in your local and state elected officials!

It's obvious we have no control over the BIG Federal Goverment...What happened to "We the People"...really sad to see this happening!

 

[ItTechy]

As long as we have people (the masses) that want hand outs we will have controllers!

I personally detest any government assistance programs because they are all funded by the many of us that never get any of the benefits!

I cannot get ANY government assistance for anything because "I earn too much" note that word...EARN, yet it's ok for people like myself to pay for those that are lazy and will not help themselves!

If our government was really by and for the people many, if not all "things" would be legal, and moderately taxed to fuel the beast, but then there wouldn't be any control and discord sewing!

OUR FOUNDING FATHERS ARE ROLLING IN THEIR GRAVES!

 

[Rossum]

There are more of us (rational, thinking adults) than them

Sadly, I don't think that's true anymore.

 

[Rossum]

This assumes "they" want to stop it, I think it is more like "they" want to control the market and "sell" starting at ~ 1 buck a mil.
I could be wrong but don't bet on it imo.

I don't think you're wrong; I just think your numbers are off. Try $5 a ml, in sealed, tamper-proof cartridges, with at least half the revenue going to the goobermint.

 

[skoony]

When it comes i switch to 0nic, they cant touch me

yes they can. if it mimics smoking it is considered as derived
from tobacco.

mike

 

[tj99959]

I don't think you're wrong; I just think your numbers are off. Try $5 a ml, in sealed, tamper-proof cartridges, with at least half the revenue going to the goobermint.

Oh and don't forget all those spent "sealed, tamper-proof cartridges" laying all over your favorite camping spot.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Quote Originally Posted by Bad Ninja View Post

There are more of us (rational, thinking adults) than them

Sadly, I don't think that's true anymore.

Rossum, I read the news, I see the polls, I listen to people. These three activities are rather discouraging and, certainly, validate your thought.

 

[beckdg]

As long as we have people (the masses) that want hand outs we will have controllers!

I personally detest any government assistance programs because they are all funded by the many of us that never get any of the benefits!

I cannot get ANY government assistance for anything because "I earn too much" note that word...EARN, yet it's ok for people like myself to pay for those that are lazy and will not help themselves!

If our government was really by and for the people many, if not all "things" would be legal, and moderately taxed to fuel the beast, but then there wouldn't be any control and discord sewing!

OUR FOUNDING FATHERS ARE ROLLING IN THEIR GRAVES!

Lucky you.

For most... if they were as blessed as those with this stance, they wouldn't be crying about it.

Again, the few making a bad name for the many.

Do you have any idea how hard many of the people portrayed in this idealism work... for nothing... With no light at the end of the tunnel... and no opportunity to be where those whining about giving so little?

These programs are about as far and away from allowing someone simple comforts as one can get. There are no luxuries.

Consider this...
Wally World is the largest employer in the US. Yet something on the order of 90% of their employees are forced to receive supplementary gov't benefits because the wages are too low and the benefits packages aren't adjusted for it. Now consider the parents working there. How do they afford to house and feed their children on those wages?

They don't. They work their fingers to the bone in unappreciated positions on second and third jobs. Hopefully under the table so it doesn't retract their benefits so they don't lose the roofs over their children's heads.

And there no surf and turf dinner at the end of the week.

How insulting to constantly be lumped together with a bunch of greedy miscreants who are screwing the system because you were never given the break others have had handed to them... While working twice as hard as the privileged, judgemental finger pointers just to question every day if the nutrition lacking food you can afford will be enough in quantity to feed your family.

This attitude disgusts me. And I sometimes leave my family to go to for for 3 weeks to a month at a time...

Tapatyped

 

[Bob Chill]

I don't think you're wrong; I just think your numbers are off. Try $5 a ml, in sealed, tamper-proof cartridges, with at least half the revenue going to the goobermint.

That part definitely concerns me. 1 Blu disposable = 1+ packs of cigarettes. Which is absurd but it's what is being advertised. The math will certainly not be in our favor. Even if self refilling is allowed, the tax math could get ugly.

 

[mctess]

I'm not concerned about nicotine, as I have a big stock in my freezer. I don't have any flavorings and hoping those aren't banned - don't think they would be. I read someone say they need to stock up on PG - is straight PG going to be an issue to purchase if a ban goes into effect?? I don't DIY right now, as I don't have any interest in it. I have several eliquids I purchase that I'm really enjoying right now. I'm more concerned about hardware, but I purchased some Clouper box mods and a Nemesis. Those will just go in my drawer for safe keeping. I also bought a bunch of Protank Mini II's - hearing those are pretty easy to rebuild and I can live with the vape from those. Have 3 Kayfun Minis, 2 Kayfun Lites and a bunch of coil and wicks. Bought a Plume Veil the other day because I think I want to try dripping at some point. Just bought a Lemo Drop (and plan to try to rebuild this one right away). I will probably continue to use my Nautilus tanks and Aspires until I run out of replacement heads - but I probably have about a good year of replacement heads right now (that is, unless I run into more boxes of duds like I have been recently... hate these things really...). Now that I type this up, I'm probably ok - minus some small essentials that I need. I don't plan on quitting vaping. I was a 2 pack a day Marlboro Light smoker. I do support CASAA, but know that sometimes you just can't fight the government, no matter what. I don't have much faith in what's coming down the road.