How are you preparing for Vaping Armageddon?
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Well, yeah, I watered it down a bit. But the gist is that "banning" a particular item in one state vs. legal in another by the simple enactment of state level legislation is astonishingly easy. I would not want to test sending a 30 round magazine to a friend in a "banned" state. Plus, I NEED those for myself
.Notice "banned" is in quotes. Of course such types of legislation have enormous loopholes such as we've discussed. However, the (IMHO) intended result is further "demonization" and marginalization of vapers and anything vape related. That, I believe, is the true intention of proposed legislation.
funny you should mention the washington post article. there's been two CASAA calls to action in maryland in as many weeks concerning 3 bills. that's not to mention the postponed, but not taken off the table proposed bill in PG county to ban vaping in all public places.
They said the Utah AG will go after the businesses that ship here. Not to crosspost but I commented in this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...grade-nicotine-require-license-make-sell.html
I find the provision against an individual "advertising" that e-cigs can help you quit smoking to be fully unconstitutional and don't know how they can pass such a law.
I was not able to attend the committee meeting today but I listened to the audio and could not believe the outright lies and non-logic that I was hearing.
TBH I am completely discouraged about our situation here in Utah.
Brambie,
I think it's funny I'd love to live in Utah for its laws on firearms are much more in line with my own. I can't wait to leave Massachusetts as it is such an oppressive state. Now I really don't want to move to a state that will attack one of my other hobbies nor do I want to stay in a state that pretends to have such lofty ideals... Guess it's newhampshire or texas.
I think it's funny I'd love to live in Utah for its laws on firearms are much more in line with my own. I can't wait to leave Massachusetts as it is such an oppressive state. Now I really don't want to move to a state that will attack one of my other hobbies nor do I want to stay in a state that pretends to have such lofty ideals... Guess it's newhampshire or texas.
I've been trying to bulk up on premixed juice from favorite vendors. The same with carts and coils. Been educating myself about rebuildable coils and tanks.
I'm a little nervous about DIY juice, all I've personally tried really sucked, lol. If I had a good "Ecto Plasma" recipe, I'd definitely give it a shot.
These regs are coming from everywhere, people better inform them self.
I'm a little nervous about DIY juice, all I've personally tried really sucked, lol. If I had a good "Ecto Plasma" recipe, I'd definitely give it a shot.
These regs are coming from everywhere, people better inform them self.
By doing what exactly? Sending an out-of-state business a strongly worded letter that they're violating a Utah law?
I have no interesting making juice. I'd spend thousands before I made a juice I like. So, is the any way to long term store premodern juice? I can't stand this country and the filth that runs it.
I don't DIY yet, but I have about a year's worth of e-liquid on hand right now. I also have about 1000' of round and flat Kanthal in various gauges in my vape lair, and have learned to rebuild the coils on every "factory-built" atomizer I own, not to mention the dozen or so rebuildable atomizers I have.
Other than the two Ego's I have, every device I own takes replaceable batteries, and even though the variable devices I have may not last forever, I'm pretty sure that I can keep my 8 or 9 mechs working for a while.
If schoolchildren can find a regular supply of illegal pharmaceuticals, I think I can scrounge up a few liters of nic base after Vapocalypse.
Other than the two Ego's I have, every device I own takes replaceable batteries, and even though the variable devices I have may not last forever, I'm pretty sure that I can keep my 8 or 9 mechs working for a while.
If schoolchildren can find a regular supply of illegal pharmaceuticals, I think I can scrounge up a few liters of nic base after Vapocalypse.
Kanthal spools, RBA's, mechanical mods, wire mesh, working on DIY.
I figure I'll need a few liters of 100mg/ml nic to keep me vaping for the rest of my life, that shouldn't be all that hard to come by in the next month or two.
If I see the nic supply going dry, well, I'm between 4&8mg/ml now, I'll just go a bit lower.
Maurice
I figure I'll need a few liters of 100mg/ml nic to keep me vaping for the rest of my life, that shouldn't be all that hard to come by in the next month or two.
If I see the nic supply going dry, well, I'm between 4&8mg/ml now, I'll just go a bit lower.
Maurice
Realistically if nic became unavailable I would DIY 0 nic juice and slap a patch on to handle the nic needs. Where there is a will there is a way.
By doing what exactly? Sending an out-of-state business a strongly worded letter that they're violating a Utah law?
LOL well... they didn't exactly say what they would do... and coming to think of it how will individual online stores even know they're not supposed to ship to Utah... As an ecommerce dev geek, I'm thinking about a large offshore site like Fasttech that sells a variety of items... they would either have to refuse to sell anything to utah, or they would have to go through their whole inventory and implement logic that would determine item by item what can be shipped here. And reject an order containing those items, but as carts normally work, this would not likely happen until the checkout process. In some platforms this would have to be a custom mod, most of them are not designed to work that way. What a mess.
Supposing then Fasttech decides to just ship to Utah anyway, how would anyone know if my package (eheheh she said my package) contained any e-cigarette items? Are they going to come to my mailbox and demand to see what I bought? And arrest me for buying things that are perfectly legal for me to have?
Definitely they will have some enforcement issues with this. These attempts at online sales bans are all going to fail because no one consulted me. Why am I not rich yet, that's what I want to know.
Nothing in this law will change anything for me anyway, except possibly force me to re-route my shippables to people who live in less oppressive climes.
Well hell, maybe them nicotine patches will come in handy for something after all—once the nic in the freezer runs out.
I'm fairly neutral on the whole gun issue but the very same people who would advocate that anyone here should be able to have a gun, are now screaming to ban online sales of e-cigarettes. Because they really hate government intrusion and because e-cigs are dangerous ... or something ...
If schoolchildren can find a regular supply of illegal pharmaceuticals, I think I can scrounge up a few liters of nic base after Vapocalypse.
Yes, I also think this is correct. On the other hand, this situation will stop people who have not yet switched to e-cigs from doing so easily and that sucks.
I'd like to say some more about this:
Until very recently I was an innocent. You guys may have read my posts where I say that now I have found the holy-grail I can relax, I'm not faced with the fear of cessation leading me to nrt, and then the fear of that product's timescales leading me to go too fast, and blow it, and go back to smoking. I've been round this cycle more than a few times.
Before I found this forum, and started reading here and other places, I wouldn't have believed that someone would create a cure for cancer, only for people with financial interests to lobby to ban it. I wouldn't have believed that evidence from research would be tampered with, and then used by the EU government to back the case for over regulation – the open letters from scientists incandescent with rage prove me wrong though.
It's clear to me now that this sort of Orwellian, conspiracy theory stuff is not only the stuff of strange books and films; it is our reality! There is indeed a push to devalue the 'e-cig' (yeah I've gone off that term too) to the point where it becomes unattractive to the still smoker, meaning that big pharma and tobacco get to keep their billions of income at the sake of our health.
They want to chip away from it all: less shops, less liquid producers, no tasting in shops (public smoking), no mail order, no internet order, higher prices, only devices that don't work very well, no flavours (only tobacco so you don't go too far), not enough nicotine to work... I've prob left loads of target points that the money men are aiming at out, but you get the idea: Lobby government to devalue e-cigarettes to the point where it becomes unattractive to the still smoker.
So the Chinese guy has a good idea, and not big business, that idea is improved upon by modders and tinkerers, it's sold, evolved, improved.... the little folks invent their own cure for cancer, and it is suppressed and devalued.
This is all old news to a lot of you, but you'll excuse my torrent of words I'm sure; I only just realised this was a reality.
Last night I did the write to my MP (Member of Parliament) thing. And all MEPs too (M of European P). Good letters they were, and not simply angry rants. I believe you guys would have been proud of my letters. Will it help...I doubt it.
So, I've concluded something. I have a clean driving licence you know, I've never been arrested, or anything like that. My old mum taught me that if I pass a lady on the pavement it should be me that walks nearest the road, and I still do that But you know what; I think that in this situation I have a right to protect my own life, and therefore they can poke their laws where the sun don't shine. I'm going to hoard, if I need to I'll use the black market, I'll smuggle past the UK borders...I've decided that it's appropriate for me to do whatever is necessary.
I'm advocating civil disobedience on all levels for this. I'll be polite to the innocents, and not blow vape in their faces, but everything else is on the table here as far as I'm concerned.
Until very recently I was an innocent. You guys may have read my posts where I say that now I have found the holy-grail I can relax, I'm not faced with the fear of cessation leading me to nrt, and then the fear of that product's timescales leading me to go too fast, and blow it, and go back to smoking. I've been round this cycle more than a few times.
Before I found this forum, and started reading here and other places, I wouldn't have believed that someone would create a cure for cancer, only for people with financial interests to lobby to ban it. I wouldn't have believed that evidence from research would be tampered with, and then used by the EU government to back the case for over regulation – the open letters from scientists incandescent with rage prove me wrong though.
It's clear to me now that this sort of Orwellian, conspiracy theory stuff is not only the stuff of strange books and films; it is our reality! There is indeed a push to devalue the 'e-cig' (yeah I've gone off that term too) to the point where it becomes unattractive to the still smoker, meaning that big pharma and tobacco get to keep their billions of income at the sake of our health.
They want to chip away from it all: less shops, less liquid producers, no tasting in shops (public smoking), no mail order, no internet order, higher prices, only devices that don't work very well, no flavours (only tobacco so you don't go too far), not enough nicotine to work... I've prob left loads of target points that the money men are aiming at out, but you get the idea: Lobby government to devalue e-cigarettes to the point where it becomes unattractive to the still smoker.
So the Chinese guy has a good idea, and not big business, that idea is improved upon by modders and tinkerers, it's sold, evolved, improved.... the little folks invent their own cure for cancer, and it is suppressed and devalued.
This is all old news to a lot of you, but you'll excuse my torrent of words I'm sure; I only just realised this was a reality.
Last night I did the write to my MP (Member of Parliament) thing. And all MEPs too (M of European P). Good letters they were, and not simply angry rants. I believe you guys would have been proud of my letters. Will it help...I doubt it.
So, I've concluded something. I have a clean driving licence you know, I've never been arrested, or anything like that. My old mum taught me that if I pass a lady on the pavement it should be me that walks nearest the road, and I still do that
But you know what; I think that in this situation I have a right to protect my own life, and therefore they can poke their laws where the sun don't shine. I'm going to hoard, if I need to I'll use the black market, I'll smuggle past the UK borders...I've decided that it's appropriate for me to do whatever is necessary.I'm advocating civil disobedience on all levels for this. I'll be polite to the innocents, and not blow vape in their faces, but everything else is on the table here as far as I'm concerned.
If it becomes illegal (it won't), it won't be very hard to find. When they start to tax the crap out of it, it still won't be very hard to find internationally. I used to order my cigarettes online for $15/carton duty free, shipped from overseas, waived through customs, and delivered to my door by the good ol' USPS. Never had a problem.
They can't regulate the hardware we use to make our own devices. Can you imagine a federal ban on organic cotton balls because they might be used as wicks? What were "mods" originally? Modified flashlights mostly, no? Do you see a ban on flashlights looming in the future?
Extracted nicotine is the ONLY thing they can (and I think will) regulate and tax into tomorrow.
What do I plan to do? I'm thinking about investing in a nice stash of 100mg. Freeze it. Wait. Perfect my DIY recipes in the interim with my personal stash. Once retail eliquids are taxed and above the board retailers are forced to charge a few bucks per ml, I'd be there to take care of you at half the price and twice the yumminess.
They can't regulate the hardware we use to make our own devices. Can you imagine a federal ban on organic cotton balls because they might be used as wicks? What were "mods" originally? Modified flashlights mostly, no? Do you see a ban on flashlights looming in the future?
Extracted nicotine is the ONLY thing they can (and I think will) regulate and tax into tomorrow.
What do I plan to do? I'm thinking about investing in a nice stash of 100mg. Freeze it. Wait. Perfect my DIY recipes in the interim with my personal stash. Once retail eliquids are taxed and above the board retailers are forced to charge a few bucks per ml, I'd be there to take care of you at half the price and twice the yumminess.
I smoked for 37 years. I now vape zero nic juice, made myself pretty much independent for all my hardware and support CASAA. No one can stop me from getting my supply of DIY juice ingredients. The only way they can stop me from vaping is if they make vaping zero nic juice in my own home illegal and that ain't gonna happen.
Like I said before, the downside is this crap will make it really hard for smokers to switch easily. Stay strong and keep fighting the good fight. We will persevere!
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