How bad is air for my diy?

[Troll from behind]

Been doing some stocking up for the possible regulations, but one question does bother me a bit.
How bad is air for me DIY-juices?
Should I get some gear winemakers have for removing air from winebottles (not so cheap) or just use smaller (50ml or less) bottles (much more work)?

 

[Whitaker2472]

Are you talking about the nic?

 

[Troll from behind]

Well anything with nic, be that ready liquids or just base.

 

[Whitaker2472]

If your steeping the juice its not to bad. I usually only have 1000 ml juice made up to use at a time. And I keep my nic in freezer and what I have in 60ml bottle to use out of in the fridge. The vg pg and flavors I just keep in a bottom cabinet.

 

[Troll from behind]

Is there any information about the effects of air (or oxygen though different thing) making your liquids "go bad" or how much opening and closing (=adding air) to your mixes effects the time your liquids, EVEN when stored in freezer, stay "good"?

 

[Whitaker2472]

Maybe try danny45 blog. And hoosier. There is alot of info already on here. There some under nic comparison thread

 

[dead not sleeping]

Most juice mfgs limit the shelf life to 1 year, probably for the lawyers. Yet, we can freeze nic for up to 4 or 5? Everything oxidizes eventually, and without any bacteria present, should not go bad. PG is used as a preservative in the food industry. If you are real worried about long term spoilage, minimize everything you can, sterilize in a pressure cooker all the bottles, etc. If you heat the stuff to around 160 or so, cap it up tight while warm and throw it in the freezer, it will create somewhat of a vacuum in the bottle.

 

[mightymen]

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[dannyv45]

Been doing some stocking up for the possible regulations, but one question does bother me a bit.
How bad is air for me DIY-juices?
Should I get some gear winemakers have for removing air from winebottles (not so cheap) or just use smaller (50ml or less) bottles (much more work)?

Air will ozidize the mix which is part of the maturing process so it's not nessessarly a bad thing. I wouldn't worry about it to much. Where you have to worry about air is in the nicotine solution. Expecially if storing it for long periods of time. Storing NIC in the freezer will drastically cut down the process of air, light and moisture oxidizing NIC. So for long term storage of raw 100mg/ltr nic or any MG strength for that matter, fill glass bottles to about a 1/4 from the top and store in the freezer. It will keep for 5 - 10 years. I buy my NIC by the liter then divide it into 120ml bottles for storage. I find 120mls of NIC last me 3 - 4 months. So while my 120ml bottle is out and working the rest are sleeping in the freezer.

As for pre-made juices it's not a good idea to store them in the freezer. flavor molecules may react in a negative way. I recommend storing them in a dark cool place or even the refrigerator but never freeze them. If your concerned about spoilage make no more then what you can vape in 3 - 6 months.

 

[Troll from behind]

So no help for me DIYs, eh?
The issue I've been running into is that my fav flavorings go tasteless once the bottle is opened in couple of weeks and the same happens, naturally, to mixes.
Problem with these is, that they are strong flavourings only needing from 3 - 5 %. They come in 15 ml bottles so one needs to make a batch of 300 - 500 ml each.

 

[Whitaker2472]

You dont have to mix the whole 15 ml bottle. Might have to play with the % to get flavor there