McSocker, these devices have definately helped me cut down on the nicotine jonesing- the nervous twithcing that comes when I'm down on nicotine- Yeah- these could definately use bigger instant nicotine hits, but in a way, if we can learn ot accept the levelthey give, it's a good thing as cutting down further will be not so hard- it's just goign to take time to try to cut down further, and it6 does indeed take some time to get used to hte smaller nic hits, but I'm definately gettign enough to calm the nervousness enough. I've had several instances when where I really felt I had to go have one, but begrudging smoked the ecigg, and the feelign did pass- it wasn't easy for sure, but I got htrough it and am glad I was able to- as it just reinforces- slowly- the psychological idea that I might be able to keep going and cut down further at soem point
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Someone here jokingly wondered about a nicotine suppository and Leaford's story brings that back to mind.
It was me and it came after watchign a medical doctor confirm an urban legend that one can become drunk with an alcohol enema- it's true but very very dangerous
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Not to mention an almost certain and gruesome death for the gerbil too.
Not to mention an almost certain and gruesome death for the gerbil too.
Yeh, but that's one happy gerbil who can make it through an entire movie without a single craving.
UM, for the record, I mentioned my LAP. Suppositories and enemas are the other side. That is all.
Who wants to go to that theatre? The movie's a load of crap and you have to sit next to an ..........
TB,
Couldn't have said it better myself. Although I do have access to liquid nicotine, I would never use it...it really is too dangerous even to handle let alone ingest. Now, as far as the tobacco liquid is concerned, I really do agree with Bob on this one. Look at it this way; it's the safest way I know of to include nicotine and help with tobacco taste and I really don't think it's very dangerous in and of itself, and it's certainly much less dangerous than smoking.
For me, what it really comes down to is the filtering process, plain and simple. This was the primary piece of the equation and the one that took me the longest to figure out. It took a long time (and the willingness to shell out ALOT of money) to acquire the apparatus to filter it to an extremely high degree. But, there's no doubt it was worth it. And as far as LN vs. tobacco juice is concerned, I will tell you that even if LN wasn't so dangerous, I would still opt to use tobacco juice. I just feel it ads (in addition to the nicotine) body and flavor. Like Bob said, of all the components to go into good smoke juice, obviously it's the tobacco juice that requires the serious filtering.
Hey Emp,
Yep, I'll ship internationally.
Here's my timeline as of now; I have a few more steps to take care of before I go "live" and will be ready to ship by 7/25/08 (including the samples). At this point most of the last steps involve the web site which will be a very easy-to-navigate and un-cluttered one!
The bottom line for me guys, is that although I would like to make some money, believe it or not, that its not the driving force behind me doing this.
Let me try to put it into perspective (and I know alot of you will relate to this!): I am 36 years old and started smoking when I was 20. I rather quickly got up to 2 packs per day and although it had not (yet) caused any physical ailment, I knew it was just a matter of time. And that's a pretty scary thought that consistently brought me down. What's more, I didn't feel there was any way that I would ever quit, so I had simply resigned myself to playing this game of Russian Roulette and I hope I don't lose. Pretty depressing, huh.
Well, when I very accidentally stumble upon e-smoking, I was seriously skeptical. I was convinced that there would be no way some little plastic cigarette-ish device would take away my cravings for those wonderful after-the-movie, after-dinner, after you-know-what, lovely little white sticks. So, imagine my utter astonishment when I convince myself to buy one and it actually works!! I was blown away! Standing there in my kitchen with what actually looked like smoke coming out of my mouth! Unbelievable. Well, you all know the story from there. So, this is a second chance for me and the fact that the second chance is heading my way at a relatively young age and in the form of something that I actually like better than cigarettes is amazing. Now, add to all of this the fact that I stumble on this forum and realize how many truly fantastic and genuine people there are here who want to share their own experiences with each other in an incredible welcoming and positive way, well it was simply the icing on the cake!
Well, that's my story
The final part comes from the fact that I can't stand the fact that anything would get in the way of me succeeding with this, like 2-month waits from China, or e-liquid that tastes like horse-pee. Nope, I'll make my own, thank you very much. And provide it to the people who are in this with me.
Let me try to put it into perspective (and I know alot of you will relate to this!): I am 36 years old and started smoking when I was 20. I rather quickly got up to 2 packs per day and although it had not (yet) caused any physical ailment, I knew it was just a matter of time. And that's a pretty scary thought that consistently brought me down. What's more, I didn't feel there was any way that I would ever quit, so I had simply resigned myself to playing this game of Russian Roulette and I hope I don't lose. Pretty depressing, huh.
Well, when I very accidentally stumble upon e-smoking, I was seriously skeptical. I was convinced that there would be no way some little plastic cigarette-ish device would take away my cravings for those wonderful after-the-movie, after-dinner, after you-know-what, lovely little white sticks. So, imagine my utter astonishment when I convince myself to buy one and it actually works!! I was blown away! Standing there in my kitchen with what actually looked like smoke coming out of my mouth! Unbelievable. Well, you all know the story from there. So, this is a second chance for me and the fact that the second chance is heading my way at a relatively young age and in the form of something that I actually like better than cigarettes is amazing. Now, add to all of this the fact that I stumble on this forum and realize how many truly fantastic and genuine people there are here who want to share their own experiences with each other in an incredible welcoming and positive way, well it was simply the icing on the cake!
Well, that's my story
The final part comes from the fact that I can't stand the fact that anything would get in the way of me succeeding with this, like 2-month waits from China, or e-liquid that tastes like horse-pee. Nope, I'll make my own, thank you very much. And provide it to the people who are in this with me.
You got it!! Developing new recipes is going to be the fun part!
(and I've already thought about TB's Kahlua!)
(and I've already thought about TB's Kahlua!)
TB and MacFan, I understand that it's probably safer than ciggies. So far as my question: How are the carcinogens removed? it sounds like that is too complicated for homebrewing - my interpretation of your replies.
Bob, you also said, essentially, that all our carts/liquids still contain tobacco carcinogens except Ruyan, as far as we know - do I understand that correctly? Doesn't this mean that the whole industry, except Ruyan products directly from Ruyan, is based on a lie, that we are only taking in nicotine and PG? And I've been repeating a lie to my family and friends? And propagating it here on the board to smokers who want to be off tobacco carcinogens? That matters to me a great deal.
MacFan, are you going to have your liquid tested (and disclose the results)? If you addressed this elsewhere, my apologies, and feel free to reply with a link. I've missed lots of threads.
Bob, you also said, essentially, that all our carts/liquids still contain tobacco carcinogens except Ruyan, as far as we know - do I understand that correctly? Doesn't this mean that the whole industry, except Ruyan products directly from Ruyan, is based on a lie, that we are only taking in nicotine and PG? And I've been repeating a lie to my family and friends? And propagating it here on the board to smokers who want to be off tobacco carcinogens? That matters to me a great deal.
MacFan, are you going to have your liquid tested (and disclose the results)? If you addressed this elsewhere, my apologies, and feel free to reply with a link. I've missed lots of threads.
Too much about e-smoking remains A Great Unknown. But I can go to E-Cig's site https://e-cig.com/shopping/shopcontent.asp?type=certifications and read a list of all ingredients in their liquid. Ruyan's ingredients were listed as tested in New Zealand. I have no idea what ingredients are in Freesmoke.
That said, we're back to the accurate statement that logic tells us this is far safer than inhaling tobacco smoke. Tars in e-vapor, if present at all, would be miniscule compared to those in cigarette smoke. For anyone who hasn't read the initial report on e-smoking -- the only testing on this -- please read it and digest its contents: http://theruyanmedia.com/uploads/REC-NZInterim_Report.pdf This interim report is very reassuring of our practice.
I've written before that much of what we are told in e-cig marketing materials is a lie. And I do think we have a problem with homebrew in not only unknown nicotine levels, but unknown levels of carcinogenic materials, and even purity of content. We brushed off one poster who asked about tars and I apologize for that. Several of us, as I recall, said tars were a byproduct of combustion so are not present in e-vapor. From my home experiments, I'm not so sure. They were present in my liquid and I bet we'd find some in E-Cig's (which are NOT the same as liquids tested in New Zealand). E-Cig uses at least four tobacco absolutes, which are fragrance oils extracted from tobacco and used as a perfume note by that industry.
Doesn't hurt that I happen to think Janty tastes best among cartridges, either, so I know what I'll buy when I weary of cooking tobacco!
That said, we're back to the accurate statement that logic tells us this is far safer than inhaling tobacco smoke. Tars in e-vapor, if present at all, would be miniscule compared to those in cigarette smoke. For anyone who hasn't read the initial report on e-smoking -- the only testing on this -- please read it and digest its contents: http://theruyanmedia.com/uploads/REC-NZInterim_Report.pdf This interim report is very reassuring of our practice.
I've written before that much of what we are told in e-cig marketing materials is a lie. And I do think we have a problem with homebrew in not only unknown nicotine levels, but unknown levels of carcinogenic materials, and even purity of content. We brushed off one poster who asked about tars and I apologize for that. Several of us, as I recall, said tars were a byproduct of combustion so are not present in e-vapor. From my home experiments, I'm not so sure. They were present in my liquid and I bet we'd find some in E-Cig's (which are NOT the same as liquids tested in New Zealand). E-Cig uses at least four tobacco absolutes, which are fragrance oils extracted from tobacco and used as a perfume note by that industry.
Doesn't hurt that I happen to think Janty tastes best among cartridges, either, so I know what I'll buy when I weary of cooking tobacco!
this might be off topic bob and its only my theory..
real smoke of any kind contains lots of solid particulates.. its these solid particulates that cause the problem..
vapour or steam dosnt carry the same solid particuates.. boiled water for example is distilled water when recondensed.. its pretty pure.. the junk stays in the kettle..
i think e vapour is like boiled water.. when re condensed in the lungs probably pure without the solid particulates which stay in the e cigs kettle..
i could be wrong.. but i think most of the possible e liquid contamination stays in the e cig kettle just like it would a real kettle..
trog
real smoke of any kind contains lots of solid particulates.. its these solid particulates that cause the problem..
vapour or steam dosnt carry the same solid particuates.. boiled water for example is distilled water when recondensed.. its pretty pure.. the junk stays in the kettle..
i think e vapour is like boiled water.. when re condensed in the lungs probably pure without the solid particulates which stay in the e cigs kettle..
i could be wrong.. but i think most of the possible e liquid contamination stays in the e cig kettle just like it would a real kettle..
trog
Out of all the cartridges I've tried, I have to agree that Janty is by far the best.
I don't know, TB. Some days I can make a logical argument like you have just done and some days my outlook is not so rosy. The lists of ingredients I've seen are not that reassuring and all of the liquid (including the carts) is apparently made in China which also doesn't reassure me that it is of the highest quality and/or that it may not have the actual stated ingredients.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't been able to find that Ruyan is continuing to test their liquid and guarantee that it is pharmaceutical grade and manufactured under GMP (Good Manufacturing Practice) guidelines. No manufacturer seems to assure this. I won't take nutritional supplements that are not pharmaceutical grade and GMP. Why would I inhale something of lesser quality? In fact, I'm starting to think were all a bit insane to be purchasing and using these products with no assurance of quality from the manufacturers. We should all demand assurances of quality clearly stated on their sites or refuse to buy their products.
I truly want to believe that e-smoking is safer than tobacco smoking but I'm not sure I can agree that it is logical that it is safer. We simply don't know. The manufacturers keep stating PG is safe but there is scant evidence for inhalation (animal only, that I know of) and no long-term studies that I'm aware of. The only information on long-term inhalation exposure to PG is from second-hand exposure in the entertainment industry and it might possibly have some notable side-effects. Some individuals have noted a significant decrease in lung capacity.
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