I got a Serpent Elevate the other day and I have to say that their coily tool rip-off is quite handy. I’ve always used the handle on my Coil jig to measure off ‘drop in’ coils but I find this to be easier. I probably would have never bought the Coily anyway but I certainly can’t justify dropping $11 (plus tax and s/h) for one now. Mike Vapes said that SMM didn’t want Wotofo to package that in. He wanted the little bar tool. I’ve seen other companies with these knockoffs being packed in. How do you all feel about this? Does bother you? Could you care less?
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Chinese counerfiets?
Say it aint soooooo.
A friend of mine designs and builds stuff in China. He was designing an item largely in secret and had heard of a really good craftsman in a small village there. Turns out the guy was making counterfiet stuff in small batches that were better than the original items (that my friend had designed originally)
Say it aint soooooo.
A friend of mine designs and builds stuff in China. He was designing an item largely in secret and had heard of a really good craftsman in a small village there. Turns out the guy was making counterfiet stuff in small batches that were better than the original items (that my friend had designed originally)
I have a Chinese coily knock off in the mail.
Why? Because I can’t get in the Facebook X1s and because they’re not sold here yet. (Recently there was a Canadian retailer that was designated to carry them but hasn’t received any to sell yet.)
I’ll buy a real one once it becomes easier to get one.
We always talk about people buying clones because of cost. But in a lot of cases it's because of availability. I think the coily is $11? The Chinese knock off was $3. I would have bought a real one for $8 more if it was just as easy to get.
Why? Because I can’t get in the Facebook X1s and because they’re not sold here yet. (Recently there was a Canadian retailer that was designated to carry them but hasn’t received any to sell yet.)
I’ll buy a real one once it becomes easier to get one.
We always talk about people buying clones because of cost. But in a lot of cases it's because of availability. I think the coily is $11? The Chinese knock off was $3. I would have bought a real one for $8 more if it was just as easy to get.
Why would anyone care either way? It's just a cheap plastic tool. Convienient and easy to use but not genius level innovation imo.
How did you feel about Coil Master ripping off Kuro Koiler?
The Coily Tool has .5mm increments, so I guess it's better?
I made my own "Coily Style Tool" long before it was invented.
It's really not a ground breaking technology.
The Coily Tool has .5mm increments, so I guess it's better?
I made my own "Coily Style Tool" long before it was invented.
It's really not a ground breaking technology.
Agreed. Chinese e-cig manufacturers have been ripping off each other's intellectual property since the eGo. I don't think they even bother to patent their stuff any more because the government seems to encourage counterfeiters.
The Coily is convenient and cheap. But it's not tough to make, and the price is certainly low, but if the creator can't get it distributed while the knockoffs have no problem getting them out, the creator has some flaws in their business plan. A limited edition high priced item like a tank doesn't really have much to worry about as they sell out regardless and many clone buyers would have never been in their market to begin with. This is a cheap plastic item. I don't understand why the Coily people have had such a tough time getting it sold all over the place. A missed opportunity on their part. That said, I still don't have an original or fake as I can cut for postless decks without it.
I think it's because they were originally 3D printed. They take a while to print, and making $5-10 each and having to fund, what I am guessing, $500-2000 for a printer makes it hard to scale. It's not like he's making billetboxes and selling them for nearly $300. The price is simply too low.
Last I heard he was getting another version made using injection molding (in China). Makes more sense. Would cost less than a dollar per unit and could sell for 10* the cost. Could get thousands of them made per batch. I think he's selling them now but they're also way too slow getting to store.
Coily tool is not a need, I only have one because it came with the elevate. I appreciate it but doubt that I would have bought one.
It's something that people buy for a cool replacement of spectacles after they find out they can't eyeball the leg length correctly.
They don’t seem to to me. The problem is China is a very large country with a fairly small government. Laws are followed more strictly in core cities, but outside of them there is little or no legal oversite. As a result it is trivially easy to arrange to be lost in the shuffle.
The "rip off" is is the customary code of conduct in the vape industry. I can't get too worked up about this over priced tool of minimal utility and innovation.
Have a bunch of coilers and they work reasonably well with thick straight wire. But you can wind a reasonably well formed, i.e. bent as opposed to strained, close contact or spaced coil just with finger pressure as you turn with an ordinary cheap instrument screwdriver. They do come with really neat standard size bit collections tho. So there's something.
To get elegantly precise standard true contact (or closed) micro coils you need to wind with strain (tension). That too is cheap, and predictably repeatable.
Good luck and Happy Holidays.
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To get elegantly precise standard true contact (or closed) micro coils you need to wind with strain (tension). That too is cheap, and predictably repeatable.
Good luck and Happy Holidays.
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3D nylon printing something that can be made in a mold for less than $0.05 in batches of thousands??
Yeah, that's a losing business model. Now the best he can hope for us the next batch can sell relying on the "from the original Coily company".
And forget ever getting $10 on that when widely available now that multiple knock offs are already out there.
Could try to get "innovative" by making it from polycarbonate so you can "see" through when cutting the legs to save you a step in flipping it over to look where your wire clipper should be.
Granted, that'll be knocked off with a few weeks but at least he could get some brand recognition and try to build consumer loyalty (a freebie for all the original high priced buyers maybe?) so he San get some sales out of it. But let's face it, he'll probably end up competing with the same company making them for him selling it through FT.
u can't even call it knock off, no patent, copy right n so on, but definitely fail business ....
Agree! And after you've snipped the legs a few times using the tool you don't really even need it anymore as you can snip the leg length off of memory...
One came with my Elevate as well and I used it twice. Now I can just eyeball length, snip and it's good to go!
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