How long have you hardcore vapers been planning for the "Vapeocalypse"?

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YoursTruli

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I have been "accidentally" stockpiling ever since I started vaping 5 years ago :rolleyes: mech mods, kicks, fuses, regulated mods, mod parts, a multitude of different drip tips, attys, rba, rda, rta, cartos, rebuildable cartos, clearos, tons of blister pack coil heads, rolls of wire, ss mesh, miles of silica, cotton pads galore, a liter+ of nic in the freezer, glass bottles of all sizes... I will probably buy some more nic but then I would need a bigger freezer and a few more RTAs and spare glass tubes to match the ones I already have.
 

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There is a way to seal the liquid from all contact with oxygen by putting a blanket of argon gas on top of the exposed liquid in the bottle. There is nothing exotic about this. You can get a can of argon on amazon for 10=15 dollars that would probably last forever. The gas is inert and heavier than air so it would settle on the liquid and displace the air, which would float to the top above the argon. I suspect argon molecules are so large they won't absorb into the liquid either. Wine collectors often do this to preserve opened bottles. Some DIYers around here think it's a wast of time. May be, but it does no harm.
Yep, that should help, but it doesn't totally eliminate oxidation because there's going to be some oxygen already dissolved in the PG or VG base. I do buy all my long-term nic argon-purged though.

The "wine preserver" has you can buy on Amazon is not straight argon; it's a mixture of gasses, probably including nitrogen and carbon dioxide. And by no means will one can last forever; those flimsy cans are simply incapable of holding much pressure and therefore don't contain a whole lot of gas. I went through an entire can rebottling four gallons of VG and PG into quart sized amber boston rounds.

Yes, kids, I have a doomsday stash of VG and PG. :)
 

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You have given me a new way to look at my box of unused stuff. I was preparing for the future, I am comforted by this thought.

I have been "accidentally" stockpiling ever since I started vaping 5 years ago :rolleyes: mech mods, kicks, fuses, regulated mods, mod parts, a multitude of different drip tips, attys, rba, rda, rta, cartos, rebuildable cartos, clearos, tons of blister pack coil heads, rolls of wire, ss mesh, miles of silica, cotton pads galore, a liter+ of nic in the freezer, glass bottles of all sizes... I will probably buy some more nic but then I would need a bigger freezer and a few more RTAs and spare glass tubes to match the ones I already have.
 

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Transfer it to amber glass bottles with as little air in it as possible. Cutting it to 50mg/mL (PG only) or less is best for long term storage.

I think the opposite is true, better to store nic more concentrated. PG (or VG) will have some dissolved oxygen, so the less PG, the less oxygen the nic is exposed to.

I totally agree on the glass bottles with little headspace.
 

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Yep, that should help, but it doesn't totally eliminate oxidation because there's going to be some oxygen already dissolved in the PG or VG base. I do buy all my long-term nic argon-purged though.

The "wine preserver" has you can buy on Amazon is not straight argon; it's a mixture of gasses, probably including nitrogen and carbon dioxide. And by no means will one can last forever; those flimsy cans are simply incapable of holding much pressure and therefore don't contain a whole lot of gas. I went through an entire can rebottling four gallons of VG and PG into quart sized amber boston rounds.

Yes, kids, I have a doomsday stash of VG and PG. :)

I understand PG and VG have a shelf life of like 3 years but honestly I have the better part of a gallon of VG that 5 years later now remains unchanged since the day I bought it. I do think how you store things has a lot to do with how long it stays good.
 

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I understand PG and VG have a shelf life of like 3 years but honestly I have the better part of a gallon of VG that 5 years later now remains unchanged since the day I bought it. I do think how you store things has a lot to do with how long it stays good.
Yep, hence the glass bottles with the air in the head space displaced using an "inert" mixture of gasses.

Unlike nic base, I don't *expect* PG or VG to become difficult to get, but my total cost was under $100 for seven to eight years worth of it, so it's cheap insurance.
 

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2&1/2 yrs. It's fine. When storing eliminate all air..
how would you mix/shake it up before use if no air? I just pre mixed mine and left just where the threads are so there is something there to mix the pot. Please enlighten as I have not put them in freezer yet and have enough left over in last bottle to top the other 4 all the way to top.
 

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If things do go south on the regs ...

ECF will be flooded with new members trying to find out what just happened to the eLiquid situation


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I know this might sound a little out there but I have been wondering about the future of ECF if the regs do go south, affecting a lot of businesses that might cease to exist who at present help fund ECF to keep it going... they would need a lot of supporting members to fill that gap..... ?
 

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I know this might sound a little out there but I have been wondering about the future of ECF if the regs do go south, affecting a lot of businesses that might cease to exist who at present help fund ECF to keep it going... they would need a lot of supporting members to fill that gap..... ?
Or a few who are in a position to be more than just "supporting members"... ;)
 

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I have a large supply of nicotine in the freezer. I re-bottled my stuff into Red Stripe beer bottles then capped them with caps from my beer brewing. I prep for all kinds of prohibition, the nannies, do-gooders and taxers are everywhere. There may be 15 cc or less of dead space above the liquid line, I am not worried about 3.15 cc of oxygen in that dead space with 739 ml of VG nicotine solution below it.
I have since changed to Nude Nicotine Armour in smaller bottles for my more recent purchases. It's a lot easier.

Yep, that should help, but it doesn't totally eliminate oxidation because there's going to be some oxygen already dissolved in the PG or VG base. I do buy all my long-term nic argon-purged though.

The "wine preserver" has you can buy on Amazon is not straight argon; it's a mixture of gasses, probably including nitrogen and carbon dioxide. And by no means will one can last forever; those flimsy cans are simply incapable of holding much pressure and therefore don't contain a whole lot of gas. I went through an entire can rebottling four gallons of VG and PG into quart sized amber boston rounds.

Yes, kids, I have a doomsday stash of VG and PG. :)
 

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I know this might sound a little out there but I have been wondering about the future of ECF if the regs do go south, affecting a lot of businesses that might cease to exist who at present help fund ECF to keep it going... they would need a lot of supporting members to fill that gap..... ?

We might have to stop talking about our nicotine stashes too. Maybe we could talk about "hand lotion" and sneak under the radar.;)
 

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Not too worry about it... vaping as I go with my home made DIY and wires. Got enough for some time to come. One order last for over 6 months... I may double my next order but no plans for years... If I have to stop vaping, I'll be just proud to say I don't smoke anymore! I won't live forever, with or without nicotine, so one day at the time as long as I still breathing.
 
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Wouldn't that be somethin'? All of my nic stockpile goes up in smoke.:eek:

Irony at its finest! OMG :shock: But yet :lol:

There is a way to seal the liquid from all contact with oxygen by putting a blanket of argon gas on top of the exposed liquid in the bottle. There is nothing exotic about this. You can get a can of argon on amazon for 10=15 dollars that would probably last forever. The gas is inert and heavier than air so it would settle on the liquid and displace the air, which would float to the top above the argon. I suspect argon molecules are so large they won't absorb into the liquid either. Wine collectors often do this to preserve opened bottles. Some DIYers around here think it's a wast of time. May be, but it does no harm.

Nude Nicotine sells bottles that are ready and prepped for long term freezer storage. A company that is planning for the future of vaping for us.
 

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I have enough kanthal to last me a very long time, lots of backup parts for my Subtank Mini's, VG? Can get it pretty much at any pharmacy, flavoring? not a problem always going to be around, Nic? Going to order some fresh stuff the second that any mention of legislation regarding it is announced so it will last longer...
 
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So you would recommending cutting a litre of 100mg 100%PG nic with a litre of plain PG then freeze?

I have some 50mg and 100mg VG nic in the freezer but have a litre of PG based 100mg nic coming. Went PG only as I find it easier to work with.

The only downside to mixing down to 50mg in my case is doubling the physical volume to be stored.

Yes

This really makes no sense. The amount of available oxygen in the bottle is what it is, you have no control over that, but it's probably a lot less than the amount of nic. Let's assume a bottle of 100mg has 10x the number of nic molecules as oxygen available. The worst case in that bottle is that 10% of your nic ends up oxidized. But of it's only 50mg, the worst case is 20% of the nic ends up oxidized.

I agree that in your "worst case" where someone uses a two year old open bottle of PG to cut the 100mg and keeps the bottle in a cupboard and shakes it once a day it would not matter.

The amount of oxygen in the airspace is far higher than the amount of dissolved oxygen in fresh PG. A lower Nic concentration will be less reactive to the air in the bottle in still cold storage.

Say we put 50 blindfolded people in a room 100' x 100' and have them wander around very very slowly for X amount of time. You put one 6' table in one corner. How many people will touch the table.

Now put 25 blindfolded people in the same room with the same 6' table and have them wander around very very slowly for X amount of time.

Statistically out of the 50 person group 10 people will bump into the table in time X. In the 25 person group only 2 people will bump into the table.

The longer the time period the larger the statistical gap gets.

Now of course at -60*C the difference over 6 years would be on the order of 4% vs 1% which nobody would really notice. My models went out to 50 years and the difference was 10% vs. 2%

I think the opposite is true, better to store nic more concentrated. PG (or VG) will have some dissolved oxygen, so the less PG, the less oxygen the nic is exposed to.

I totally agree on the glass bottles with little headspace.

see above ;)
 

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Yep, that should help, but it doesn't totally eliminate oxidation because there's going to be some oxygen already dissolved in the PG or VG base. I do buy all my long-term nic argon-purged though.

The "wine preserver" has you can buy on Amazon is not straight argon; it's a mixture of gasses, probably including nitrogen and carbon dioxide. And by no means will one can last forever; those flimsy cans are simply incapable of holding much pressure and therefore don't contain a whole lot of gas. I went through an entire can rebottling four gallons of VG and PG into quart sized amber boston rounds.

Yes, kids, I have a doomsday stash of VG and PG. :)
Ha Ha, I only have six gallons of Pg and Vg on hand...about enough for only half of my nic ;)
 

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I know this might sound a little out there but I have been wondering about the future of ECF if the regs do go south, affecting a lot of businesses that might cease to exist who at present help fund ECF to keep it going... they would need a lot of supporting members to fill that gap..... ?
You are not alone in these thoughts. This occurred to me a long time ago, that is why I have many times suggested to folks that are stockpiling, learn how to use these things now, while the getting is good. The info is currently abundant an easily searchable, in the uncertain future...?
 

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Quoting this post cause it matches where I'm at most, though not exactly.

In first month of my vaping (back in 2012), I learned that devices need backups for your backups. I learned this the hard way, but the lesson I think was better learned for the long term than simply being told this.

I think with devices, it is reasonable to think it would be hard going forward to find something you for sure want/like and get it under a restrictive market. Though, I wouldn't say impossible. But compared to the other items it takes to make vaping happen, I think of this as item you (alone) have to bring to the table.

With eLiquid, it is clear one can DIY and/or stock up (on pre-made) to try to overcome potential restrictions. Because the FDA has a) taken a long time to get to actual deeming and b) announced a period for vendors that wish to stay in the game a grace period, I have not chosen to stock up yet. But not my only reasoning here, and more on that moment. I figure once the FDA stuff is actually announced, there will be 'going out of business' sales, left and right and would be a decent time to consider stocking up on eLiquid.

The other item, I just mentioned, is that I think an underground market will be about many things, some of which I think is not possible to predict. But one item I am currently banking on is that in that shadow market, vapers will want to help out fellow vapers, and thus distribute in the underground market. Hey, I could be sadly mistaken about this and all DIY'ers could be in fend for themselves mode. Plus there could be times when nothing appeals to me on open market, black market is completely dried up, and I've still not managed to go the DIY route. That could suck to be me, but I think it'll mostly suck to be a vaper at that time. Would tell me that things have changed so drastically that I can see me second guessing if I really wish to continue. I currently think it won't be like that for many years to come, but am willing to take the gamble, especially as I know DIY will likely always be an option. But to be clear, I think vaping survives if vapers stick together and look out for each other, and thus far I've seen no indications to suggest that won't occur. I think things could be very fascinating, in a good way, during the days of an underground market.

I think the people who are prepping for the worst and stocking up are doing a good thing and have reasons that I've probably considered, but don't exactly align with my outlook. I also think it will matter what the laws on vaping are, and a teeny tiny part of me is concerned with having too much of a heavily restricted substance around. I'd somewhat prefer to wait and see on that end, but I'm purposely writing things this way because I mostly feel it won't be a big deal and I am okay admitting to the idea that not stocking up is something that could backfire against me, if my end goal is to be a vaper for life.
Fire sales would be a plus, but if demand exceeds dwindling supplies, prices will rise.
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