How safe do you think Ejuices really are?

[peterforpats]

I don't think it is a question of vendors intentionally doing any thing wrong- stuff happens. I know I am going to catch heck for this statement: if the FDA has to regulate something I wish it were the supply chain and not the marketing and selling areas of vaping. there are a lot of small vendors and the worst publicity and harm to the cause would be something getting into juice and causing harm. you know what the reporting would be like. we all take a leap of faith ordering and I am willing to take that risk until something happens-and then plenty of people will want to know "how could this happen?" and "what can we do about it?"
better to be ahead of the curve than be behind it. there should be a standard and it should be met by all who sell to the public...

 

[Ryedan]

Burning question here..Are the majority of Ejuices made in professional, quality controlled labs like products you would find in a grocery/drug store or made by mom and pop shops in their basement? I'm new to vaping but the juices I have bought don't look like professional products at all (no ingredients/labels/etc other than what the flavor is). What goes into the PG/VG mixture to give it say..a tobacco flavor/vanilla flavor/peach flavor? How safe do you think the typical ejuice you buy off the internet really is and where is it typically made and by who?

My feeling only and I have no data on this, most US made juices come from small shops and I doubt they have the type of sanitary and quality controls that the big companies have.

I am not aware of anyone becoming sick from juice.

I didn't worry about it when I was buying pre-mixed juice. I now make my own and I don't take any special precautions other than basic cleanliness and care to not contaminate things.

 

[tj99959]

I make my own juice ..... problem solved.

 

[Butters78]

I make my own juice ..... problem solved.

Same here brother. I still can't believe what people pay for vendor juices. It's mind boggling.

 

[peterforpats]

I make my own juice ..... problem solved.

except where do you get the ingredients to make your juice? you buy that stuff don't you? or do you make your pg, vg or flavorings? how about the nicotine(if you use it)?

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

As some have mentioned, safety in the absolute sense won't be known for years at a minimum, and probably decades. In the meantime, one does as they do in most every aspect of life: play the odds.

How do you know you won't suffer a lethal fall in the shower? How do you know the can of creamed corn you eat for dinner isn't laced with botulism? You don't, but the overwhelming probabilities are clear.

This you know: the number of deaths or serious illness associated with vaping since they hit the market in 2004 is zero. You can't even say that about Chantrix, let alone cigarettes.

 

[PinoyBoy]

As long as the guy who makes my juice has better standards than this, then I'm happy. I'm convinced that vaping is alot safer than smoking. What I want to know is how dangerous vaping the flavors is in the long run. I think this will be fairly difficult to provide info for, since we use many types of flavors from different sources. When they come up with a peer reviewed research with as much bias removed, only then we will find out.

 

[Train2]

Here you go. As long as you buy your juice from China, it should be safe.

 

[RosaJ]

except where do you get the ingredients to make your juice? you buy that stuff don't you? or do you make your pg, vg or flavorings? how about the nicotine(if you use it)?

There's a huge subforum for diy ejuice...

 

[TLS01]

If your that concerned about inhaling any of these ingredienats, you should quit right now. Just kick the habbit all together. We dont know of the long term dangers. We wont know for years. These forums seem to show every report and test that comes down the pike ( love ECF because of this ) Ive not seen anything that would sway me yet, but thats my decision. The day I do read something that concerns me enough to quit, then I will have a decision to make. Each of us will.

*Edited*Sorry, didn't mean to be an ....

 

[BardicDruid]

For 4 years now I've stuck with Dekang, they're the only lab I know of that invites people into the factory.

Dekang bio - YouTube

DEKANG

 

[DoogieTony]

Are the majority of e-liquids made in clean rooms by people on hazmat suits?

No.

But some are made in clean lab conditions by people in proper safety attire. I'm sure some aren't, but I seriously doubt they're mixed in a dumpster by hobos.

If you think the things you buy at the grocery and drug stores are all (or are even mosty) made in clean rooms, you're fooling yourself. Go look up the allowed amount of animal feces for food processing plants. Seriously.

Flavorings can be artificially created or naturally extracted. These are the main cause for uncertainty for inhalation, but I for one feel safer vaping than walking downtown breathing in automobile exhaust.

PG has been inhaled for years in asthma inhalers with no ill effects. Nicotine seems relatively harmless in small quantities.

I would wager that most e-liquids online are reasonably safe, but I do take the time to research vendors first and make an educated decision on their legitimacy.

If you think about it, most vendors do have an ingredient list on their bottles. Pg/vg ratio, nicotine content per mg, and flavorings
Look at the ingredients on your processed foods, its disgusting, you don't know what half of the ingredients are....but you eat it without a second thought.

That being said. If sanitary conditions for mixing is your main concern, mix your own juice at home. Read up, educate yourself on DIY, and be safe while mixing. That way you know the what, when, where, and how your juice is made.

 

[ScottP]

Burning question here..Are the majority of Ejuices made in professional, quality controlled labs like products you would find in a grocery/drug store or made by mom and pop shops in their basement? I'm new to vaping but the juices I have bought don't look like professional products at all (no ingredients/labels/etc other than what the flavor is). What goes into the PG/VG mixture to give it say..a tobacco flavor/vanilla flavor/peach flavor? How safe do you think the typical ejuice you buy off the internet really is and where is it typically made and by who?

Let's see, if you are vaping, then you are most likely a former smoker. This means you were paying probably hundreds of dollars per month to inhale tar , poisonous gases, and nearly 4000 chemicals. Many of which were put there purposely by the manufacturer. Yet now that you are vaping and inhaling a product with NONE of those things, suddenly safety is a primary concern? Don't get me wrong. I am not picking on you, as you are not the first person to ask this. I just don't understand that logic. The way I see it, unless your juice was mixed in the toilet at the local 7/11 and stored in bottles dug up out of the ground in Chernobyl, then it is going to be infinitely safer than smoking.

 

[snork]

For 4 years now I've stuck with Dekang, they're the only lab I know of that invites people into the factory.

Dekang bio - YouTube

DEKANG

I've seen quite a few smaller vendors offer invites. My favorite, Jerry Green from Aroma Ejuice has a standing invitation and I took him up on it. Check my blog posts if you're interested. I gained a very different perspective of his unique operation and made a good friend as well. Going to try to get back there before the end of the year.

If the conditions in which a person's juices are created are a concern, really the only way to know for sure is to see them.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

You don't need to worry about getting an infectious disease from e-liquid. PG is used in hospital HVAC systems to prevent the propagation of airborne bacteria. Germs can't survive in a liquid with zero Oxygen content and nicotine (which is a natural antiseptic with insecticidal properties).

Even if something manages to survive in that hostile environment, then it has to make it through being vaporized on a coil of glowing resistance wire.

PG and VG have so many commercial uses that you have probably rubbed more of it on your skin, ingested more of it and inhaled more of it than you will ever inhale using your PV.

Yes, our liquids are safe. Or, as safe as they could possibly be.

 

[XeniaMike]

The only issue I've had is the occasional flavoring I'm allergic to. Might just be whatever plant they extracted the flavor from or something odd. I'm sure it's not a reflection on the manufacturer's cleanliness. I smoked Pall Mall's for years, and when money was really tight, I'd buy off brand cheap cigs probably made from factory floor sweepings or something. Yuk!

 

[irwink]

Quit vaping right now. Go back to smoking cigarettes. End of problem.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

Burning question here..Are the majority of Ejuices made in professional, quality controlled labs like products you would find in a grocery/drug store or made by mom and pop shops in their basement? I'm new to vaping but the juices I have bought don't look like professional products at all (no ingredients/labels/etc other than what the flavor is). What goes into the PG/VG mixture to give it say..a tobacco flavor/vanilla flavor/peach flavor? How safe do you think the typical ejuice you buy off the internet really is and where is it typically made and by who?

Without exaggeration here, about one thousand times safer than inhaling a burning cigarette!
and if you want an even better experience, buy from a vendor who contributes his, her, thoughts and experience with this forum.

 

[wv2win]

Why are these type of threads almost always started by someone with 10 or less posts, who then never responds to any of the replies???

 

[AngiBe]

I think talking about our concerns/safety/potential health issues is awesome. Last time I mentioned a "concern", I got my you kno what chewed out on here! It was disturbing... I believe we all on here LOVE vaping and hate cigs/BT companies. But, we need to be realistic and know its a newer industry and not enough studies yet. And we can learn and grow from both positive and negative experiences. I hate to say it, but I'm sure there's more negative stuff going on with people we don't know about because they are fearful from the backlash when they discuss it.

If we share our experiences, BOTH good and bad w/out negative reaction, we can hopefully keep improving and make it as safe as possible. We can maybe demand from our suppliers safer coils (no silica) or safer ingredients , glass tanks or safer plastic, or what have you. WE take control versus what BT companies did w/cigs. If you never heard about the TAME project/XA project..google it. BT was more concerned w/lawsuits and profits versus people like us. SHOCKING..LOL I know some suppliers are awesome and want vaping to kick off as much as we do, but folks, it's called a business and the main concern is profits. I just hope we can dictate the safety WE EXPECT and DEMAND before companies or suppliers decide for us.