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Need help from former MFS (MyFreedomSmokes) customers
Has any found a supplier or company that has tobacco e-juice like or very similar to MFS Turbosmog, Tall Paul, or Red Luck?
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How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes
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Yes, but e-cigs are NOT tobacco products; just because they may end up calling them that, doesn't make it true.
Andria
Not Saying it Does. Or Doesn't.
Just commenting on what Will Happen. Because I think there is Almost Not Chance that e-Liquids that Contain Nicotine will not be Deemed a "Tobacco Product".
Sure... A Comet could hit Washington DC between Now and say August or September of this Year. But the Chances of that happening is Kinda Small.
So we might as well start thinking about what Will Happen with e-Liquids that contain Nicotine.
A Nice Phrase from an Era when there was Little Representation of the Common Person.
That is, In the USA.
Tax is a slippery slope....
I am sure that if the government says "you know what you all are being taxed a lot already, we will impose a flat $0.01 tax per mil of liquid regardless of the nic level" Most people will say, "sure why not, its not that much".... seems reasonable.
A few months later they will put through a bill for roads, however somewhere in the 500th page of this bill it will say "to help pay for these roads, we will increase the tax of juice by an additional 0.01 per mil" Most will not even catch it, but since it is already being taxed they can do this (think of cost of gas and the 0.009 per gallon).
A few months later they cant balance the budget and decide that they need to increase the tax again. Then again. Then again. before you know it, the taxes on it will be higher than the cost of the product as it is with analogs.
Do not say it cant happen. It has happened and will continue to happen as long as we allow it to START.
I am sure that if the government says "you know what you all are being taxed a lot already, we will impose a flat $0.01 tax per mil of liquid regardless of the nic level" Most people will say, "sure why not, its not that much".... seems reasonable.
A few months later they will put through a bill for roads, however somewhere in the 500th page of this bill it will say "to help pay for these roads, we will increase the tax of juice by an additional 0.01 per mil" Most will not even catch it, but since it is already being taxed they can do this (think of cost of gas and the 0.009 per gallon).
A few months later they cant balance the budget and decide that they need to increase the tax again. Then again. Then again. before you know it, the taxes on it will be higher than the cost of the product as it is with analogs.
Do not say it cant happen. It has happened and will continue to happen as long as we allow it to START.
I mean shut it down in that cig alikes will be the only e-cigs left on the market and those will be sold by BT. I do believe that's their objective. They still get the taxes whether the consumer struggles with getting what they need from a cig alike or gives up in frustration and goes back to smoking. And,as a bonus to their BP buddies, when consumers can't quit with what is left to them to work with and they decide to try again they'll head back to BP for Nicorette, chantix or whatever the current "cure" is at that time. Only to relapse back to cigarettes again with nothing to show for their efforts but a thinner wallet. That's been their status quo over the past couple of decades and my belief is that they want to maintain it.
That's exactly why only one single taxation rate should be applied to all products.
Otherwise it creates the conditions to oppress minorities through the taxation system.
Otherwise it creates the conditions to oppress minorities through the taxation system.
Then it sound like we had better Big Time Oppose this Bill then.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/450/text?q={"search":["s450"]}
BTW - That is where I got the $1.01 per day value. Because the Average Smoker is a PAD Smoker. And the Federal Tax on Cigarettes I believe is $1.01 per Pack. Regardless of what State you live in.
++++++++1,000,000,000,000...
Like, like, like, love!!!!!!!! Where's that "Standing Ovation" button?!?!?!
Andria
You hit on the very organization I thought of - the Mother's March of Dimes. These groups won't declare victory and go away, too many jobs are dependent and it became not a movement but an organization. The analogy is absolutely apt.So very true -- when the polio vaccine(s) were finally a reality and polio basically went the way of the dodo, what was The March of Dimes to do? They "adopted" muscular dystrophy, but that's a really rare condition; I suppose they may also work to raise money for ALS (gehrig's disease) research, but that's also fairly rare. They're still around, but by vanquishing polio, they nearly put themselves out of business. And that's exactly what's going to happen to the various charities that have been screeching and whining for years about quitting smoking; now there actually is a way that millions might do that easily, but are they happy?Of course not; a) they didn't invent and patent it, and b) the cure for smoking might easily put them out of business -- they will very shortly have outlived their usefulness. What hypocrites. And yes, I did just compare vaping to the polio vaccine; I think the analogy is quite apt. I don't think anyone thought that polio victims, since they were silly enough to catch it, deserved to just die, and that's the msg we need to be spreading, shouting, hollering from the rooftops.
If we ever manage to get the dimwits in DC (and other hotbeds of that virulence called government) to figure out that vaping is NOT smoking, then yeah, it might be time for me to go my own way, but it appears that this might be a lengthy battle. Good thing that switching to vaping gives us all a much longer life expectancy.
Andria
Oh, you. I read "Alice in Wonderland" ; a word means what the government says it means. :>)
I am somewhat appalled. It is a "nice phrase" from the past. Well, I will stop there [self-regulation] I will save Robino1 the effort of deleting my post.
It was his way of not answering the question.
However, the avoidance in itself says that he couldn't find it not reasonable.
So I'll take his answer as an Yes It's Reasonable.
At which point, in exchange to the special taxation regime, I would ask for 20% seats in Congress to be reserved for the stakeholders - The Smokers and Vapers Party.
If you believe that to be true then cease referring to vaporizers as e-cigs.
I just don't see that the phrase "No taxation without representation" is very Relevant in Todays USA.
Verses when it was coined in the 1750's.
Please show me an Example of an e-Cigarette/e-Liquid Tax where the Taxed do not have a Right to be Represented. Once again, an Example in the USA.
Calling them e-cigs doesn't make them any more a tobacco product than the gov't is trying to do. I generally refer to my own, around here, as mods, since they're not cigalikes, but when speaking of vaping in general, then e-cigs is perfectly legitimate, because it conveys meaning to those who don't themselves partake. Conveying meaning is the entire point of communication.
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