sorry to say but as a diesel techh for many years i can aruge that a cig is more then likly worse then diesel exhaust. with the advent of dpf/doc/scr combo exhaust they burn very clean. also they nolonger clatter and produce loud noise
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sorry to say but as a diesel techh for many years i can aruge that a cig is more then likly worse then diesel exhaust. with the advent of dpf/doc/scr combo exhaust they burn very clean. also they nolonger clatter and produce loud noise
Oh oh oh, sorry.......guess i am the OP........just got that. I have not disappeared at all.......i read everything....and I am extremely concerned. 14 days vaping now, no cigarettes. I was rolling my own, sooo no loose tobacco all over my computer desk and floor.
And nothing has exploded on me, nor has the e-liquid burned any holes in my fingers or lungs. I gotta tell you, I really did not realize that they were trying to make vaping illegal when i posted. That is just insane!
dpf = Diesel (exhaust) particulate filter ?
doc = diesel oxidation catalyst
scr = selective catalyst reduction
Diesel exhaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I agree; I'd pick vaping over sticking my nose up (down?) a semi's exhaust, but I'd prefer it to smoking
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Right On being 2 Weeks Cigarette Free. That is a Major Milestone.
Whereas I do Not think that Vaping is 100% Safe, and there Could/Can be hazards with the Components of an e-Liquid. I don't think there are very many people who would not Agree that Vaping is MUCH Better for a Person that Smoking Cigarettes.
I think you may have missed my point. The point I'm making is that we cannot wait 30 years to make a decision that must be made now, nor was my post directed at your comment. Since the chances of a cancer diagnosis increase by how long and how much we smoke, the decision to quit smoking now is the one in front of us. Really the question is not whether to quit or not, it's whether to quit and vape, quit and use some of cessation aid, or just quit....the point is to quit. If you feel that it is not safe to vape until studies completed 30 years from now are ready for analysis and review, you should probably just quit and not vape. If you believe the anecdotal evidence and limited studies already completed regarding vaping as a safe smoking cessation or substitution "therapy," the quitting smoking and vaping may be the right choice for you. Again, my point is that we don't have 30 years to wait before we quit smoking, not that studies 30 years from now won't be valuable then, because they will be.
I didn't read all 11 pages of this thread... so stop me if you've heard this one...
If nicotine gum and inhailers are considered safe, "approved" cessation therapies/replacements, I can't imagine vapor is any less safe. Most of the ingredients in all three are close enough to be considered "similar". Of course unless we're making our own juice and we know our materials sources are pure and "safe", there's always that outside possibility that the juice we buy contains ingredients we're not privy to, and there could always be long term side effects in the hypothetical. All that said, we KNOW tobacco use has side effects and potential long term consequences. I think if knowing this you continue to dance with the devil you know to spite the devil you don't know, you're only hurting yourself in the long run.
If nicotine gum and inhailers are considered safe, "approved" cessation therapies/replacements, I can't imagine vapor is any less safe. Most of the ingredients in all three are close enough to be considered "similar". Of course unless we're making our own juice and we know our materials sources are pure and "safe", there's always that outside possibility that the juice we buy contains ingredients we're not privy to, and there could always be long term side effects in the hypothetical. All that said, we KNOW tobacco use has side effects and potential long term consequences. I think if knowing this you continue to dance with the devil you know to spite the devil you don't know, you're only hurting yourself in the long run.
this thread is one of a few different types of thinking, and that is great.
one poster suggested because the ingredients are cooked to a point of making a steam availble to inhale, he would not (never want to) put into his lungs is cool I guess, but I would answer that the same ingredients are there in a lot food cooking we do over the stove, and it gets heated up and cooked at a higher tempurature, and while it cooks it too gives off a vapor (steam) which we can smell, there it goes into our lungs..
I also know that I don't even have to inhale the vape to get what I crave, because it will do it's thing just from being in our mouth, throat and nose.
I read the first 6 pages of this thread so far, now I will read some more, the word has to get out..
Today's scientific studies can also gather evidence of effects 10 times faster than the days of ten years ago also.
one poster suggested because the ingredients are cooked to a point of making a steam availble to inhale, he would not (never want to) put into his lungs is cool I guess, but I would answer that the same ingredients are there in a lot food cooking we do over the stove, and it gets heated up and cooked at a higher tempurature, and while it cooks it too gives off a vapor (steam) which we can smell, there it goes into our lungs..
I also know that I don't even have to inhale the vape to get what I crave, because it will do it's thing just from being in our mouth, throat and nose.
I read the first 6 pages of this thread so far, now I will read some more, the word has to get out..
Today's scientific studies can also gather evidence of effects 10 times faster than the days of ten years ago also.
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With all this intelligent conversation, my brain is rebelling and I want to share an observation that I have found most unsettling and have not found a way to avoid. Any suggestions are welcome.
When a person passes gas, when a horse or cow empties his/her bowels, when a garbage dumpster has odoriferous contents, what are we smelling? Isn't odor just particulates of the original substance that are airborne? So, we are inhaling little, bitty, tiny pieces of the original substance. This thought does not make me smile. Now, if we breath through our mouth, we don't really "smell" the particulates, but we are ingesting them. It gives a whole new take on the saying "ingest excrement".
I am not trying to be gross. Honestly. I have thought of this once and it raises it's ugly head now and then. This thread brought it back to the forefront for me. Thanks guys. If I have to think about it, I just thought it only fair to share the joy.
If I am in violation of any of the rules of the forum, I apologize. I think this is acceptable to post if not to experience.
With all this intelligent conversation, my brain is rebelling and I want to share an observation that I have found most unsettling and have not found a way to avoid. Any suggestions are welcome.
When a person passes gas, when a horse or cow empties his/her bowels, when a garbage dumpster has odoriferous contents, what are we smelling? Isn't odor just particulates of the original substance that are airborne? So, we are inhaling little, bitty, tiny pieces of the original substance. This thought does not make me smile. Now, if we breath through our mouth, we don't really "smell" the particulates, but we are ingesting them. It gives a whole new take on the saying "ingest excrement".
I am not trying to be gross. Honestly. I have thought of this once and it raises it's ugly head now and then. This thread brought it back to the forefront for me. Thanks guys. If I have to think about it, I just thought it only fair to share the joy.
If I am in violation of any of the rules of the forum, I apologize. I think this is acceptable to post if not to experience.
I think this previous post made my thoughts very obvious about vaping versus analogs...
How many of you that are so concerned about this eat organic? Cause if you don't I assure you that your food is poisoning you much faster than vaping.
That's why I need to close my windows and stop the fan when driving behind a Diesel truck? To avoid all that goodness coming from their exhaust?
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Stop smoking and only vape for a month and see how you feel. Your body will tell you how it feels I guarantee it. We are all the product of 250,000 years give or take for homo-sapiens of evolution and thus are actually fairly resilient and adaptable to far worse. This is not meant to be offensive but way too many people give way to much credit to media when in fact 99% of it while in part true is really driven by multiple motives.
Could e-cig's/vaping be dangerous? YES you can make yourself sick from too much nicotine if you go to extremes, then again your body will tell you through light-headedness, dizziness, nausea, & ......... On the same note can most food most american's eat be dangerous? YES and it kills and shows in most people daily. Is the daily drive you take dangerous? YES Is the air we breath in metropolitan areas dangerous? YES
Bottom line we are all going to die of something. Use common judgement, gather information from multiple sources and draw your own conclusions not only on this but on anything, oh and in the information age we all live in while on your computer, tablet, smartphone, ect...we all have the blessing of being able to search and read/watch multiple sources of information since the government hasn't fully censored it quite yet.
Whatever you do never take any 1 person/companies view on anything.
Could e-cig's/vaping be dangerous? YES you can make yourself sick from too much nicotine if you go to extremes, then again your body will tell you through light-headedness, dizziness, nausea, & ......... On the same note can most food most american's eat be dangerous? YES and it kills and shows in most people daily. Is the daily drive you take dangerous? YES Is the air we breath in metropolitan areas dangerous? YES
Bottom line we are all going to die of something. Use common judgement, gather information from multiple sources and draw your own conclusions not only on this but on anything, oh and in the information age we all live in while on your computer, tablet, smartphone, ect...we all have the blessing of being able to search and read/watch multiple sources of information since the government hasn't fully censored it quite yet.
Whatever you do never take any 1 person/companies view on anything.
If you think that human beings have been around for 100,000 years or something, but only started jogging for exercise in the late 1960's, it makes you wonder if all those that came before weren't wrong. If a person jogged say 10 miles every day for 20 years they'd have travelled 73,000 miles on foot. That's a lot of wear and tear on a persons leg joints and cartilage.
They say jogging is good for you and keeps you fit. Well it does in the short term but they never mention the long term affects.
I don't jog, i cycle !. I don't smoke, i vape !
They say jogging is good for you and keeps you fit. Well it does in the short term but they never mention the long term affects.
I don't jog, i cycle !. I don't smoke, i vape !
Along these same lines...
--When I was smoking I could hold my breath for around 30 seconds
--After 12 months of vaping I could hold my breath for around 90 seconds
--After 17 months of vaping I got a Pulmonary Function test and my results were ABOVE normal
--After 30 months of vaping I could hold my breath for around 110 seconds
--When I was smoking I used to get sick at least twice each year, with the more mild colds lasting about a week from beginning to end
--Since I started vaping four years ago I have only been sick once, and instead of lasting about a week, it lasted one day
All I know is that my Dr. had been trying for years to get me to quit; and I tried everything under the sun and then some. So one visit when talking about not being able to quit he tells me to get a "digital cigarette". Fast forward a few months and where do I start with the difference in the way I feel (energy, lungs, stamina, on and on and on). That one little piece of advice from my Dr. while not maybe saving my life sure the hell will extend it and vastly improve its quality.
My doctor's PA was quite happy to hear I was vaping instead of smoking and he said he as other patients that have switched. There is no doubt that it is safer. I really don't think there is any question about that. Glad to hear that so many have seen such improvements since they switched. I have seen improvements as well. My breathing is not improving as quickly as it did the last time I quit smoking and didn't vape, but then I smoked for another 6-7 years since then.
My dentist has been recommending e-cigs for a couple of years, and has observed the benefits to his patients that switched to vaping. Less tartar, healing of chronic mouth ulcers, and certainly less staining ...
A good dentist observes a patient's overall health as well as the condition of his teeth. I think we will see more dentists and oral surgeons come out in favor of vaping ...
A good dentist observes a patient's overall health as well as the condition of his teeth. I think we will see more dentists and oral surgeons come out in favor of vaping ...
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