HV Liquid My Way

[Dkrom68]

Whats going on Switched, glad I remained neutral and it looks as if its all working out but when I seen 48% flavoring I wouldnt want to use a cost calculator on that liquid LOL.

 

[Switched]

Whats going on Switched, glad I remained neutral and it looks as if its all working out but when I seen 48% flavoring I wouldnt want to use a cost calculator on that liquid LOL.

Oh nothing much. This is a part of the forum I take very seriously for good reason. Many folks want to jump on the bandwagon to save money, which as we know is only partially true as the initial outlay could be quite expensive, After that initial influx of cash, it is indeed extremely cost effective.

I roll my own because of the exorbitant shipping costs, plus the inconsistencies of many commercially bought liquids, not to mention getting it here. There is no source that I am aware of for 50mg nic in Canada. That is all I particularly need. I do have some 555 and RY4 flavourings coming and when they do, if they work out I will be in vape heaven.

Some folks (not in this thread) believe that is is cost effective to purchase higher concentrations of nic, which as we both no isn't so, unless we are going pure, which I do not even want to fathom using.

No they have there place (50-100mg) especially when folks have reduced their nic intake around 4-6 mg, where flavouring becomes paramount importance, and the manipulation of recipes can be tweaked a little better with higher concentrations, which is next to impossible with lower concentrations.

As mentioned there is just too many variables, and although DIY might seem appealing, it needs to be respected. Tghe last thing I want is someone becoming a statistic, and not solely based on hurting the vaping community.

 

[ddavelarsen]

I never said anything about my taste buds being better, nor was I resisting your recipe. I just wanted to know which ones were good at that level as I might be passing over certain flavorings because I feel they're not effective. I have even tried dripping pure flavoring with some of my flavors that I felt were weak (such as PA's PB or FA's Whipped Cream) and they were still not particularly strong.

It's very possible that HV vaping destroys more of the top note flavoring chemicals, but that I do not know. That's why I say 'as far as I know' to avoid people misconstruing my statements as end all be all (no, I don't know everything).

Honestly I'm not sure that I can answer your question. Lorran's coffee is very strong, and by that I mean one or two drops per 6 ml is plenty. Lorann's chocolate not so much at all and it's one that I can use at percentages like 10-20% of flavoring, rather than drops per small batch. I use PA's PB in heavy percentages, like 50% or more of total flavoring. I think of PA flavorings as the concentration equivalent of Fairy's Finest, Capella's, like that. Generally I put Lorran's or FA in a higher-concentrated category though like you say not all are similarly effective. But I start out with that rule of thumb in mind and do drops of the heavy stuff and percentages of the lighter stuff, in 3 or 6 ml test batches.

A note about how I do taste testing. When trying to combine flavors into a 'recipe' I use a 3 ml bottle (or a 6 ml bottle if using something like Lorran's coffee that's quite strong), a baby syringe, a calculator and notes. I let a recipe test sit overnight before tasting to let the flavors 'bloom' (I don't know what that's really called, but the thing where flavors meld and find their final balance, which takes a day or so). And again, when tasting I don't use nic because I've thrown so much nic away doing that. More recipes get tossed than kept, by a long shot.

I'm not a baker or a wine taster, and I don't know what "top notes" means. Can you tell me? I don't know much, only what I've been figuring out in something of a vacuum, and from reading. That's something I've often wanted to ask about and have forgotten to. But if it means the primary flavor, then yes it might well be getting stripped off by voltage and that's what led me to pushing the flavor percent. I'm not that sophisticated to know chemically what's going on, just what my notes and taste tell me.

Maybe an example will give some insight. This is a recipe a friend developed that I really like (and adjusted a little), called Tiramisu Coffee. This makes about 2 ml of flavoring.

FA Tiramisu 1.5 ml
FA Chocolate 0.5 ml
Lorann's Coffee 2 drops
FA Mellow Sunset tobacco 4 drops

In this the Lorran's coffee is still pretty potent and up front. I could push the tobacco flavoring quite a bit, because in this mix it's pretty light, and probably will next time I mix it. For what it's worth, I think FA Tiramisu has a lot of potential and I'm going to be trying it with a lot of tobacco flavors coming up. I haven't tried it by itself but I probably should so I can know what it's doing in the mixes. I will.

 

[ddavelarsen]

How long have you been vaping Dave? How long have you been a smoker, what was your ciggy consumption and brand prior to vaping? You might be looking for love in all the wrong places

I've been vaping since November, smoked Pall Mall non-filters for about 45 years, sometimes two-three packs a day but more recently my lungs couldn't hack )) that. Vaping has been a godsend for me but it's been a love/hate issue because I've found it so difficult. The 'standard' approach has been totally useless for me; high nic and high voltage is more like it.

I'm not sure what that looking for love part is about, but I think I've found my niche. Now it's just a matter of making liquid that I like, and I'm getting there. Found that Health Cabin sells 555 flavoring that they call 'concentrated' and I'm going to give that a try soon. The 555 flavoring from Liquid Xpress is okay but not strong enough for my taste. Still, it's a step beyond most commercial 555 for me. I've been unable to replicate a decent 555, including the totally vapable recipe I found here. It's good, just not quite 555. Maybe as I gain experience with more flavorings I'll home in on that for myself. Not there yet though.

 

[Switched]

I've been vaping since November, smoked Pall Mall non-filters for about 45 years, sometimes two-three packs a day but more recently my lungs couldn't hack )) that. Vaping has been a godsend for me but it's been a love/hate issue because I've found it so difficult. The 'standard' approach has been totally useless for me; high nic and high voltage is more like it.

I'm not sure what that looking for love part is about, but I think I've found my niche.

Thanks Dave that answers a lot. I wasn't that heavy a smoker but do know where you are coming from. The only thing that worked for me for 5 weeks was laser therapy. I was doing shift work at the time, a demon showed up during the 1 hr long commute, well ya know the story. This is the longest I have been smoke free, and yes I can categorically say, that I smoked my last cig 08 Feb.

Looking for love......

To many new vapors, finding satisfaction at times is a hit and miss. Allot believe voltage will do it, others is nic concentrations. I just wanted to reassure myself where you were coming from so I can understand where you are headed.

I vape 24mg with morning coffee usually 18mg until noon. 24 mg mid day and 18mg during the evening. The odd evening I will toot Cuban Supreme at 30mg. But usually that will equate to 1 cigar. I am vaping less now than I smoked, which is good as I am using vaping as a cessation method vice an alternate lifestyle.

 

[ddavelarsen]

Switched, that last part explains a lot. I know what you mean about vapers running every which way thinking it's a holy grail. It ain't. Vaping takes more discipline than some people can muster; for a lucky majority it just works. For me it took work, but I really do not want to smoke; that's kind of the bottom line. If I have to find a rational way to make it work, then I'm on that path.

I made too many assumptions up front, and that started what might have otherwise been a different story. I'm glad we're both stubborn and have our hearts in the right place. Vape on man.

 

[stubear62]

Hi Dave, Switched...
I know where both of you are comming rom and why this thread went the way it did..
I would like to say something here that caught me off guard, I guess you can say..
The high nic.. I started with 24 and that didn't do it for me.. I went to the 36mg nic and it was what got me to quit the analogs for 3 weeks.. Well, with my problems @ home and my personal "space" being invaded and distroyed, I ended up going as high as 50mg, yes, 50mg.. For about 5 days, I did that and went back down.. I take meds for my high blood pressure (stress related) and to this day, I do anywhere's from 36 to 48mg nic.. If I get up in the morning in serious pain (due to my disability) its a 48mg day, all day.. Just my intake of vaping is cut by 1/3. If I tried to go the other route and do 30mg, I could easly go thru 6ml of liquid by 6pm (I wake up @ 5am).
Now, I do my own with certain flavors and buy the RY4 and some others as I can't (for the life of me) mix flavors to get it right (use to be an A Math student). So, I can do 48mg for like 12 hrs, then 36mg for a couple hrs, back to 48mg and then to 36mg b4 bed..
Sometimes I get up and pain not as bad, I start off with 36mg for a couple of hrs and go to 24 for the rest of the day up till bed time..
Everyone is diff and most people shouldn't be doing 48mg. But, some can't be with out that high of a nic Eliquid..
Oh, I use to smoke Marl reds from 1 to 3 packs a day.. (depending how busy I stayed)
Just my 2 cents.

 

[ddavelarsen]

Hi Stu, nice to hear from you. Cool that you read all that! Yeah, I know the high nic sounds awful to many people. Like you though, if it weren't for that I probably would not be vaping. Well, I could probably make it with dedication at 36 but like you said it'd be non-stop vaping and I'd break the bank. Or just give up. I'm too busy with my hands to be vaping full time, and frankly there's more to life and work than puffing. So it's 48mg for me for the foreseeable future. I've said before that I might be able to cut back to 36, and I'd actually like to do that to titrate to nothing; but every time I try it I'm so unsatisfied I want to start smoking again, so back up it is. Maybe I just need to nail down my conviction a bit more.

 

[Switched]

Dave,

Don't stress over it, let it come and it will. I am indeed fortunate, is that I am capable of fighting my demons. I'm in communication with a member as we speak who is going through a tough time. I hope I can see him through it.

But in the long run, whatever it takes to stay off the stinkies, it is what it takes.

 

[ddavelarsen]

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Simple recipe - Buttery Nipple, num, num. 2/1 ratio Butterscotch and Irish cream

for 10 mls @ 24mg

48% 50mg PG nic = 4.8ml
20% VG = 2ml
7% PG = 0.7ml
1% PGA = 0.1ml
3% H2O = 0.3ml
14 % Butterscotch = 1.4ml
7% Irish Cream = 0.7ml

...

I failed to mention it, but this sounds pretty good. I'll give it a try one day soon.

 

[Grenage]

I don't know everything; I hardly know enough to do what I'm trying to do. But that doesn't mean I don't just try to do it. As to the 'pure' nic thing, people telling me to be afraid isn't convincing

Ok, pure nicotine; for the love of God please don't ever touch the stuff. I can speak from real, first-hand experience that you do not want it anywhere near you. One mistake, one drop on your skin, and you're a dead man.

 

[ddavelarsen]

I'm not going to ask the experience, but that is a pretty sobering statement.

 

[Grenage]

Indeed. Pure nicotine is one of the most deadly liquids you can get, and it's absorbed through the skin very quickly.

 

[Switched]

I'm not going to ask the experience, but that is a pretty sobering statement.

Well Dave we know he is not talking from personal experience or he wouldn't be talking to us.

I know this thread took a tangent but it isn't about pure nic, it is about heavily flavoured HV liquid

 

[Grenage]

Well Dave we know he is not talking from personal experience or he wouldn't be talking to us.

The mice aren't.