Or (AndriaD) you could just recognized that it is a pretty inconsequential thing that you enjoy, and that you have easy access to supplies etc now, and that if you make a big fuss people are going to notice and cause trouble.
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You did post a thread stating how vape shops are opening everywhere (I agree they are), so lets not act like vaping is going away, it's Not and there are plenty of ways to get nicotine (no one is taking that away either) like, tobacco, vaping, gum, patches, pure nicotine, inhalers, and even topicals you can rub into your skin.
I think the reason is that most people work, have lives, etc. While I commend those that can take time out of their schedule to fly around the country advocating, that's not realistic for most people.
I do agree, however, that people should be involved on the local level. Keep your ear out, listen to what upcoming legislation may be coming, and if it's something that will have a negative impact on vaping, be sure to let your legislator know your views. Be polite, but be passionate about how successful vaping has been in getting you off tobacco. Be sure to educate them with good information about what the real facts are. Write letters to your newspaper's editor, etc. There's lots of things one can do without taking to the streets.
We have one pulmonologist in my small town. He is on the record publicly in favor of vaping, as are some of the general M.D.s in the area. When I say "in favor" I mean they recommend their patients to try and vape as an alternative to smoking. So anytime you have LOCAL doctors in favor of vaping, it really helps the cause in that area. It's hard for legislators then to try and impose silly bans.
Also, if certain private businesses want to prohibit vaping in their establishments, that's their business. We shouldn't try and "enforce" our will on private citizens. If you don't like it, do not patronize those establishments. Just imo. Some businesses in my area have not specifically banned vaping, but I would never waltz in there blowing clouds in people's faces (or vaping at all). I am sure there are teenagers who do just that and they obviously give vaping a bad name. My rule is I only vape in establishments that allow smoking (mostly bars and nightclubs) unless an establishment has a sign posted that vaping is OK.
However, government bans are different, and as I said, people should keep their ear to the wall in their local areas.
I do agree, however, that people should be involved on the local level. Keep your ear out, listen to what upcoming legislation may be coming, and if it's something that will have a negative impact on vaping, be sure to let your legislator know your views. Be polite, but be passionate about how successful vaping has been in getting you off tobacco. Be sure to educate them with good information about what the real facts are. Write letters to your newspaper's editor, etc. There's lots of things one can do without taking to the streets.
We have one pulmonologist in my small town. He is on the record publicly in favor of vaping, as are some of the general M.D.s in the area. When I say "in favor" I mean they recommend their patients to try and vape as an alternative to smoking. So anytime you have LOCAL doctors in favor of vaping, it really helps the cause in that area. It's hard for legislators then to try and impose silly bans.
Also, if certain private businesses want to prohibit vaping in their establishments, that's their business. We shouldn't try and "enforce" our will on private citizens. If you don't like it, do not patronize those establishments. Just imo. Some businesses in my area have not specifically banned vaping, but I would never waltz in there blowing clouds in people's faces (or vaping at all). I am sure there are teenagers who do just that and they obviously give vaping a bad name. My rule is I only vape in establishments that allow smoking (mostly bars and nightclubs) unless an establishment has a sign posted that vaping is OK.
However, government bans are different, and as I said, people should keep their ear to the wall in their local areas.
Try reading that sub-forum and you might realize something important. This thread, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...date-westminter-boh-gives-up-tobacco-ban.html, was about an attempt to ban ALL tobacco sales in a town and for some reason e-cigs were being considered tobacco. Non-smokers who also didn't vape turned out to put a stop to it. It was a matter of personal freedoms to many people.
We can get more support from the non-nicotine crowd if we can also separate vaping from smoking. Suddenly that 5% has grown.
Agreed, vaping should be 'inconsequential'...except it's not. In many areas they try to treat it the same as smoking - but it's not. We enjoy easy access to supplies now, but there are many who would take that away (FDA deeming regulations could strangle small businesses, senators pushing to ban flavors as if adults didn't enjoy candy, fruit and deserts). These are issues we need to be aware of and preempt when possible. You don't have to 'make a big fuss' to voice your opinion or cause trouble when you correct misinformation when you meet it. I didn't blow clouds in people's faces while smoking and don't do it now while vaping as I think it's rude. IMHO, if you don't make your objections known about these policies and why, you can't complain when the rules are changed in a way that limits what you believe to be self evident.
Tell me, sub. Do you think people thought similar things about alcohol in the US during, say, 1918?
Sure. Stand up for it. I certainly do but the response I get is usually a slight smirk and dismissal.
This immediately conjured up a vision of the Wizard Of Oz, where Courage was the third object of their quest ...
Never really thought about it, but my pattern here on ECF is FDA Regulations, Legislation, the eRoll forum, and then New Posts, in that order ...
I participate in the fight to protect vaping in the real world, just not in those threads. Too many gay/liberal/environmentalist/hippy/hipster posters who like to turn everything into a political agenda, and too many intelligent, conservative, republicans who take their bait.
Besides, I've reformed, the mods hardly ever delete my posts anymore. 
Exactly. Vaping is NOT "inconsequential" to me AT ALL -- it has saved my life, because it's the only way I've ever been able to put down the things that would surely shorten it drastically. That is NOT inconsequential. And it is NOT smoking; no tobacco, no fire, no ash, NO SMOKE. And, I resent the hell out of some stupid people trying to take away or limit my access to anything that saves my life, when they're all sitting around in their posh offices drinking coffee and going out after work and sipping (or guzzling) cocktails. I have as much right to nicotine as they have to coffee and booze, and I will not just sit here and let them take it away from me without making a really big noise about it! I don't go anywhere really, I vape in my home, and I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO THAT, AND I WILL NOT STOP DOING THAT! I will also not stop vaping blueberry muffin, banana nut bread, or any other damn flavor I take a notion to vape!
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Sure I dance around with the secretaries a bit and sneak the odd fancy cocktail but basically I get up, get into my BMW and drive to the garage of my multinational corporation and generally just party until it's time to go home to my heiress but bed-ridden 'love of my life.'
Lol, were way past those days but no I suppose people didn't think it would happen but abit of regulation isn't really the same thing, so the comparison isn't valid to me.
I didn't post at all when I first came on cause well honestly it felt weird to be having a discussion with people about vaping I didn't know. I relied on information from my boyfriend since he got me into vaping in the first place and if I had a question normally I could find it somewhere already listed on the site so why start a new conversation. I am still green when it comes to the forum so I guess I haven't really explored all its wonder yet.
Too much fear mongering and too many boogeymen to take the section seriously...
I still check in there some. But, posting there is way over my head. And, I even had to stop reading there as often. My rule is, stop reading when I feel an anxiety attack coming on. Then, stay away for at least a week.
DC2, if it's meant to be, you don't really need to buy a ticket. You'll find the winning ticket that someone else bought and dropped in the parking lot.
I try to remember to by one lottery ticket every now and then.
I figure I don't need to buy more than one though.
If God wanted me to win, I would only need one.
DC2, if it's meant to be, you don't really need to buy a ticket. You'll find the winning ticket that someone else bought and dropped in the parking lot.
I do check the news and legislative subforums, but it's disheartening.
The same types of negative news stories over and over. I don't follow the broken links to any story any more. I also rarely read past the first page of the threads there. My hat is off to the people who manage to follow the links and make comments on the articles, over and over and over. heck, keeping track of all the passwords to be able to comment is daunting all by itself.
I do participate in calls to action, contact state and local politicians. I rarely post my actions on ECF though.
The same types of negative news stories over and over. I don't follow the broken links to any story any more. I also rarely read past the first page of the threads there. My hat is off to the people who manage to follow the links and make comments on the articles, over and over and over. heck, keeping track of all the passwords to be able to comment is daunting all by itself.
I do participate in calls to action, contact state and local politicians. I rarely post my actions on ECF though.
One does not necessarily need to be a vaper to support it. The non-vaping public is being spoon-fed misinformation by government agencies in order to manipulate their opinion. The public should be outraged by this kind of activity alone, whether it's in regard to vaping or anything else. Having up-to-date information helps me to inform others, and hopefully keep them from swallowing the government line without knowing any better. ECF is one very good source for that information.
I don't because I'm slightly nomadic right now. We are deciding to live in my wife's native land of Croatia, or mine, Tennessee.
As such, keeping up with both is a lot.
As such, keeping up with both is a lot.
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