I don't use a ProVari,

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Until a particular .. eh-hum thread was started, I have never publicly voiced my opinion regarding the Provari. The truth is, I knew what a Provari was before I knew what an Ego battery was, and my God's honest opinion of it then, and now is that it's ugly .. maybe that is too harsh (albeit true), for me, it is not attractive enough that I would pay $200 for it. And if I ever drop $200 on a singular device, it will be on a mechanical mod.

I do not like the cone shaped head, I do not like the overly done divets in the body, I do not like the fabricated coating (whatever it is), and the one aesthetic feature that I dislike the most are the two flat head screws above, and below the display ... that one is a head scratcher to me, because its so unrefined looking, for a supposedly refined device.

I get that the biggest selling point (I hope) of the Provari is the reputed quality of function, and durability. But every single device I have ever seen mounted on the Provari looks WRONG, and awkwardly mis-matched to me ... although the new beauty rings are an improvement. :)

Quite frankly, I find most APV's to be on the unattractive side in terms of aesthetics, regardless of cost. When I wanted to "try" my first APV I bought a brushed SS Vamo. While I love brushed stainless steel finish (with a passion), I dont' like the silly looking "face" of the Vamo, so I don't really use that any more either, except to build, and check my RBA/rda's on. The SVD, and the Zmax are the only somewhat, aesthetically appealing APV's, IMO ... but I am over APV's for daily use anyways, I am officially a mech lover.

that right there is exactly how I feel. I only own 1 variable device (an SVD) and I use it for exactly 2 things: to test coils and to see how much charge remains on a battery. After that it goes right back in the drawer. So I imagine it will last a while. I am very happy with my mech mods. When the time comes for me to buy an expensive American-made mod I imagine it will be a REO Grand.
 

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The point I was making is that an out of warranty repair costs a ProVari owner as much as a new purchase does for me. If I run over my MVP 2 with a lawnmower, cost or replacement is $45.00 for me....159.00 for ProVari owner (plus battery)

? Most wont run over their mod with thier lawnmower so i think its a non issue. The point everyone is trying to make is eventually your MVP will stop working, and you throw that $45 in the trash. It is not a matter of IF, its a matter of WHEN.

Vast majority of provaris have gotten years of use and havent needed ANY repairs... NONE... and still work as good as the day they were bought. Beats the endless cycle of needing to buy new devices when your battery dies or you simply cant find any place to repair your "equivalent" mod. In two years I will have a device i have used daily and still works. Now... you could go out and buy five MVP's and rotate them.. but are you really saving anything doing that? Buying five throw away devices instead of one that will be all you need?

If you like your MVP thats all that matters.
If I need a PCB replaced on mine...$45.00. $65.00 for Provari owner.

Yeah, but its boxy and square... shudder.. yuck!! ;)
 
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Now that has some serious potential for a tattoo! ;)

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I like this one better. I've thought about having it engraved in my V1 ProVari (since the original logo has all but disappeared anyways).
I love how some accuse me of projecting that my MVP2 will last at least two years based on LiPo discharge cycles. but these same certain owners talk about how they are certain they will get 10 years or a lifetime of use out of their product when there is no ProVari out today that is over 4 years old.
Simple. Cars don't come with a ten year warranty, but once the warranty expires, you can still get the car serviced and repaired. Ditto for the ProVari. I would call that a reasonable expectation. Wouldn't you?

Oh, and I never accused you of projecting that your MVP2 would last two years. If anything, all I've ever said on the subject is that there have been numerous accounts of people having their MVP only last two months. I still recommend the MVP to newbies as an upgrade from an eGo.

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Damn, that was a ninja edit, and an almost complete position reversal. Slick, very slick, eda. You almost got away with it. Unless that was originally posted by p.opus...your quotes were all sorts of messed up in that post.
 
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I'd like to hear from non ProVari owners if they get this kind of customer service after their mod is OVER a year old? I think that's the question that truly should be asked, IMO.

You should probably exclude REO and Super-T owners. I hear the CS from those two manufacturers is just as good as ProVapes.:2c:

I own a Provari and several SuperT mods........ Both top notch in the customer service department:thumbs: The REO looks like a great little device.... I am a 4 1/2 year direct dripper and might want to try a bottom feeder out....REO owners how well does that feeder bottle work? Does it leak? Does it flood? REO build quality? ect.............
 
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I like this one better. I've thought about having it engraved in my V1 ProVari (since the original logo has all but disappeared anyways).

Simple. Cars don't come with a ten year warranty, but once the warranty expires, you can still get the car serviced and repaired. Ditto for the ProVari. I would call that a reasonable expectation. Wouldn't you?

Oh, and I never accused you of projecting that your MVP2 would last two years. If anything, all I've ever said on the subject is that there have been numerous accounts of people having their MVP only last two months. I still recommend the MVP to newbies as an upgrade from an eGo.

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Damn, that was a ninja edit, and an almost complete position reversal. Slick, very slick, eda. You almost got away with it. Unless that was originally posted by p.opus...your quotes were all sorts of messed up in that post.

Sorry! After i posted i realized had the quotes wrong.. so that wasnt me reversing position. It was me accidentally posting p.opus's words as my own. Phew. Fixed it.
 

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Ok I gotcha. Just out of curiosity, since I'm not a verified member, yet...if you were to list said MVP on the classies, how much are they going for now?

You know the answer as well as I do. Just a question? Own an I phone? Aren't you bothered by the fact that you you can't replace the battery in that either?

Another person mentioned that I wouldn't save any money by buying 5 MVP's. That's true. But if my MVP's last a couple of years each, then it will take me 10 years of use to see any cost savings derived by ProVari.

Even if each one only lasted a year, that's 5 years.....And BTW there is not a ProVari alive to day that is 5 years old....

A lot of ProVari owners seem to be under the impression that they will be vaping on their same ProVari 10 years from now. Who Knows where vaping will take us 10 years from now?

Some of you keep using the word "throwaway" as a bad thing. It's not necessarily so. In a rapidly changing market, I would prefer a device that I can easily dispose of so that I can change as the technology evolves.

computers, TV's, cell phones, etc are basically throw away units. but no one complains about that. Because there is something better on the market by the time what you have fails.

When my MVP's fail, I can't imagine what will be available..... I'm glad I won't be tied to my old VV only Provari.... (grin)
 

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Some of you keep using the word "throwaway" as a bad thing. It's not necessarily so. In a rapidly changing market, I would prefer a device that I can easily dispose of so that I can change as the technology evolves.

You just answered your own previous question of "why do provari owners keep talking about resale value?" In ~1year you will get $0 when you want to move to new technology, ill get probably at least 50-75% of what i paid. I dont know how long i will own my provari, but i would like the piece of mind that if i want it for six months or three years it will still be working strong, and not showing gradual battery loss etc.
 
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You know the answer as well as I do. Just a question? Own an I phone? Aren't you bothered by the fact that you you can't replace the battery in that either?

Another person mentioned that I wouldn't save any money by buying 5 MVP's. That's true. But if my MVP's last a couple of years each, then it will take me 10 years of use to see any cost savings derived by ProVari.

Even if each one only lasted a year, that's 5 years.....And BTW there is not a ProVari alive to day that is 5 years old....

A lot of ProVari owners seem to be under the impression that they will be vaping on their same ProVari 10 years from now. Who Knows where vaping will take us 10 years from now?

Some of you keep using the word "throwaway" as a bad thing. It's not necessarily so. In a rapidly changing market, I would prefer a device that I can easily dispose of so that I can change as the technology evolves.

computers, TV's, cell phones, etc are basically throw away units. but no one complains about that. Because there is something better on the market by the time what you have fails.

When my MVP's fail, I can't imagine what will be available..... I'm glad I won't be tied to my old VV only Provari.... (grin)

No, don't get me wrong, I truly get what you are saying. To each their own, spend now, spend later..whatever works. We are all trying to get off/stay off analogs and I hope & believe that's where we all stand together.

However we get there, as long as it's legal (;)) is the key right? To-may-toe, to-mah-toe...

You love ur MPV, I love my ProVari..they are both only worth what we are willing to pay for them, what value we see in them and of course, what topper we put on them.
 

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Vast majority of provaris have gotten years of use and havent needed ANY repairs... NONE... and still work as good as the day they were bought. Beats the endless cycle of needing to buy new devices when your battery dies
True. And if I had discovered vaping a couple of years ago when a Provari was the state-of-the art device, I'm sure I would have bought several of them.

But whether I'd still be using them is another question. You see today, I can't get past the clunky user interface, the fact that they refuse to implement VW, and the lack of an informative display. Yes, I'd like to have an indication of the battery's state-of-charge without having to click numerous times. I'd like to be able to see the resistance of an atty without having to click numerous times. I'd like to be able to change power (or even voltage) without having to click numerous times. Oh, and I'd like to be able to charge my mod at my desk or in my car without having to carry spare batteries around. This is why I own two DNA 20 mods and no Provaris. ;)
 

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A lot of ProVari owners seem to be under the impression that they will be vaping on their same ProVari 10 years from now.
I have three, and I expect to be using these 10 years from now. I'm a pretty simple type of vaper and I don't need the latest technology for how I vape. I just want something that's dependable, consistant, durable, and repairable. I don't want anything that will need to be replaced within 2 years.

I'm from the old school mindset of buying quality with the idea its going to last for a long time, not the current mindset of today's disposable society. It's getting harder to identify these items, but the Provari is one of them. To each their own.

Some of you keep using the word "throwaway" as a bad thing. It's not necessarily so. In a rapidly changing market, I would prefer a device that I can easily dispose of so that I can change as the technology evolves...computers, TV's, cell phones, etc are basically throw away units. but no one complains about that. Because there is something better on the market by the time what you have fails.
This is where we differ. I'm not so much into the latest technology. My cell phone can only receive calls and text. The Dell computer I'm using right now is at least 10 years old. My Toshiba 36" tube-type television is at least 12 years old. I don't own a flat screen TV. My high end stereo system is over 30 years old and sounds as good if not better than today's systems. I'm currently driving a 1994 Honda Civic which is still in great condition and gets great gas mileage.

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To each their own, spend now, spend later..whatever works. We are all trying to get off/stay off analogs and I hope & believe that's where we all stand together.

However we get there, as long as it's legal () is the key right? To-may-toe, to-mah-toe...

You love ur MPV, I love my ProVari..they are both only worth what we are willing to pay for them, what value we see in them and of course, what topper we put on them.
:thumb: This.
 
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I have three, and I expect to be using these 10 years from now. I'm a pretty simple type of vaper and I don't need the latest technology for how I vape. I just want something that's dependable, consistant, durable, and repairable.

I'm from the old school mindset of buying quality with the idea its going to last for a long time, not the current mindset of today's disposable society. It's getting harder to identify these items, but the Provari is one of them. To each their own.

This is where we differ. I'm not so much into the latest technology. My cell phone can only receive calls and text. The Dell computer I'm using right now is at least 10 years old. My Toshiba 36" tube-type television is at least 12 years old. I don't own a flat screen TV. My high end stereo system is over 30 years old and sounds as good if not better than today's systems. I'm currently driving a 1994 Honda Civic which is still in great condition and gets great gas mileage.


:thumb: This.

thanks bad for bringing up the car thing because the provari really is the 1994 civic of the vaping world. Simple, Spartan, ugly, but you know its gonna work. (and it has all kinds of aftermarket stick on crap, but I digress) The problem is, they still cost as much as a brand new lexus (a dna30). And just like a lexus has Toyota reliability, those Evolv chips are going to work when you want them to also (unless the mod maker was a complete hack, but we try to avoid them).
 

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I also hear that the REO is top notch,,,,I'd love to have one, but I'm a bit afraid of the squonk,,,,,and I'm so not into rebuilding,,,,,,

I might give it a try sometime, though,,,,,,,

They're easy to use. I've had mine for over 3 years. I don't rebuild. You could if you want to, but I don't.
 

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Baditude... I hope you've been married or with a GF for a long time also?:):)

Speaking of Provari...I just cannot get these questions answered :(
IF Provari was putting out a 3.0 even relatively soon, they're not about to tell us. My 'fear' is I buy one in February and of course 3.0 comes out in September!!! I cannot imagine the next version not having an updated menu. I know I can say this about a lot of forms of technology but, what have they done in the past? You send in your unit and for $xx.oo (50?) it gets upgraded?
Also, to anyone that has had a colored PV, how do they hold up to chipping and dirt from your hands? Especially white. Do they wipe clean like brand new?
Finally...Are these batteries OK for the PV?
Two 3400mAh PROTECTED 18650 Orbtronic (Panasonic NCR18650B cell inside) Li-ion Rechargeable Batteries, and Smart 3 speeds battery charger Kit (Latest Version) - Amazon.com
 

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True. And if I had discovered vaping a couple of years ago when a Provari was the state-of-the art device, I'm sure I would have bought several of them.

But whether I'd still be using them is another question. You see today, I can't get past the clunky user interface, the fact that they refuse to implement VW, and the lack of an informative display. Yes, I'd like to have an indication of the battery's state-of-charge without having to click numerous times. I'd like to be able to see the resistance of an atty without having to click numerous times. I'd like to be able to change power (or even voltage) without having to click numerous times. Oh, and I'd like to be able to charge my mod at my desk or in my car without having to carry spare batteries around. This is why I own two DNA 20 mods and no Provaris. ;)

No doubt. All valid points- at some point im getting a DNA device once i find a form factor and quality that look good. The Futura looks cool, but ive read too much of the vendor thread to feel comfortable spending $$ with Nexgen. The Vapor Shark looked cool- but the new version is going to have a proprietary cord :/ The Zen is appealing but who knows when id be able to get one...
 

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No doubt. All valid points- at some point im getting a DNA device once i find a form factor and quality that look good. The Futura looks cool, but ive read too much of the vendor thread to feel comfortable spending $$ with Nexgen. The Vapor Shark looked cool- but the new version is going to have a proprietary cord :/ The Zen is appealing but who knows when id be able to get one...

check out the cyborg and xpv. i'm going back and forth between them.
 

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I have three, and I expect to be using these 10 years from now. I'm a pretty simple type of vaper and I don't need the latest technology for how I vape. I just want something that's dependable, consistant, durable, and repairable. I don't want anything that will need to be replaced within 2 years.

You are assuming that the vaping community will still be using roughly the same technology as it does today.

Maybe the ubiquitous 510 connector will still be around in a decade. Maybe it won't.

But I digress. My biggest barrier to buying a Provari is lack of variable wattage. That's it. Every other beef I have about the ProVari I could live with. Variable Voltage only for me is a deal breaker. I set my MVP 6.5 watts and never need to adjust again. period. I can't get away with that on a ProVari.

it might not be important to you. but for me it is the deal breaker. Just yesterday the Mini 134 leaped over the ProVari in my purchase list. It didn't have a display of any type, but it is a high quality build with variable wattage and is easy to use.

When ProVape comes out with an easy to use VW device, I'm buying....Until then, I'm not. That's what it comes down to...

All the rest is just playing devil's advocate and enjoying the banter. But lack of Variable Wattage for me is a deal killer. And that's the bottom line
 
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