I don't use a ProVari,

[Thomasis]

Read through most of this thread, I'm so glad I'm not on either side of the extremists.
It takes so much effort to "hate" others simply because they don't use the same equipment as you. I'm not talking about most folks, just the select few that have such a problem with others choices as what to vape. I have Vamo's, SVD's, Provaris, VTR's, original and clone mechs.
Chinese/USA made devices. I like them all or at least most of them. Come on guys, your missing the point of vaping entirely. Just step back and tell yourselves it's ok to use what you have, don't worry about what others are using if it make you feel inferior, or elitist..... Just vape on for bejesus sake!!! It's ok to let others use what they want without bringing such hate to these forums... So elementary.....

On a side note, I would love to purchase a new DNA30 mod for the daily rotation but as with the DNA20 chip as well, the only deal breaker for me is STILL no reverse battery protection. I do a lot of night driving and when the battery needs changing while driving, I have caught myself putting 18650 batteries in the wrong direction... Am I the only one that finds it alarming that we aren't automatically putting this simple tech into the new boards? I love the innovation of the dna chips but I won't buy a chip that doesn't have RBP period unless the mod itself is designed with it's own RBP. Maybe I'm not looking at this with the right perspective but I just can't get over the fact that such an important safety precaution is being overlooked.. Please tell me what you guys think, am I the only one who thinks this way?

Anyway, rant over as sorry for the semi-hijack of the thread... lol

 

[Rossum]

How many smokers owned a Bic Lighter compared to a Zippo?
In fact Bic and Zippo are good analogies to use.

Sorta, in a limited way. I owned and used a Zippo. I found it much more satisfying that a Bic. I have no idea why.

3. A Bic is more convenient because I don't need to buy fluid and flints and carry them around. If my Bic fails I buy a new Bic.

A spare flint was easily carried inside the Zippo. I never carried spare fluid. I could far enough in advance when it needed to be refilled.

4. A Bic and zippo both produce fire.

Yeah, but a Zippo is cool and a Bic is not.

In a way, Zippos were the mark of truly unrepentant smokers, as I suppose devices like Provaris and DNA mods are the mark of people who don't plan to give up vaping in the foreseeable future.

 

[Coelli]

No doubt that a Zippo was better built and better supported than any Bic. But that didn't stop a .... ton of people from buying bic lighters....Even people who owned Zippos.....

I mostly had Zippos (still have them in fact) but bought Bics for when I was going to smoke... something else.

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

Yeah, but a Zippo is cool and a Bic is not.

In a way, Zippos were the mark of truly unrepentant smokers, as I suppose devices like Provaris and DNA mods are the mark of people who don't plan to give up vaping in the foreseeable future.

Don't forget Ronson lighters too....

 

[p.opus]

Here's the thing for me about throwaway vs. durability. When I leave the house with my Provari, I don't have to worry about it failing on me and being stuck without a vape until I can get a new one or get to my backup. I don't have to own another one as a backup for when the first fails.

For me the Bic/Zippo comparison still holds true.

I owned both. I preferred a Bic because of ease of use. I didn't have to buy lighter fluid and mess with flints. The same reason I don't like to worry about swapping out batteries and taking extra batteries or charger with me when I go somewhere. I can plug my MVP into any micro usb charger and I'm set.

Hell, I can even simultaneously charge my MVP and phone off the same charger. I've done it. I charge my MVP off the wall and I charge my phone off my MVP. It's a beautiful thing......

I could have chosen to invested $15.00 in a zippo and never buy a Bic again....but I didn't. And I imagine there's others like me. Despite the fact that the Zippo had a lifetime warranty, was US made and was much higher quality than the "cheap bic throwaway".

As far as vaping without backup, well I'm sorry, that's just not smart.

I don't have to go through the frustration of having my device fail on me 2 months or 4 months or 6 months down the line and having to get a new one which also has an unknown lifespan.

You are insinuating that I did not do my research. The MVP2 device is not some brand new device without history. The MVP 1 was one of the best VV devices released in 2012. Phil's review of the original MVP 1 is dripping with praise. The MVP 2 is a refined revision of that product. There are still MVP 1's out in the wild working just fine.

I purchased this product knowing it would have a life span that should last more than a couple of months. Based on the lifespan of the MVP 1, I thought it safe to assume my MVP 2 would last a year. That's all I expect from this device at this price point. 12 cents a day....I think I can afford it.

Don't forget. ProVape was only established in 2010. Yes it's build quality is great. But people who continue to say they will vape the ProVari for decades are just projecting...... Until a ProVari lasts a decade, you can't know it will last a decade. The same as until the MVP2 has been out for two years, I can't KNOW it will last for two years.

The oldest Provari is less than four years old. And I doubt the original ProVari's are still using their original batteries. A ProVari still uses disposable batteries..... The difference is when your batteries fail, you will still be limited to the capabilities of a 4 year old design. When my batteries die, I will be able to take advantage of the new refinements that continual improvement brings.....

 

[Rossum]

On a side note, I would love to purchase a new DNA30 mod for the daily rotation but as with the DNA20 chip as well, the only deal breaker for me is STILL no reverse battery protection. I do a lot of night driving and when the battery needs changing while driving, I have caught myself putting 18650 batteries in the wrong direction... Am I the only one that finds it alarming that we aren't automatically putting this simple tech into the new boards? I love the innovation of the DNA chips but I won't buy a chip that doesn't have RBP period unless the mod itself is designed with it's own RBP. Maybe I'm not looking at this with the right perspective but I just can't get over the fact that such an important safety precaution is being overlooked.. Please tell me what you guys think, am I the only one who thinks this way?l

There are two reasons why the DNA controllers don't have electrical RBP:

1) There's no way to do it without introducing some voltage drop and inefficiency, and the more power you're pushing through the device, the more significant this becomes.
2) It's much more difficult to properly monitor the battery through it.

My two DNA 20 mods don't have quick-change batteries; they have on-board charging via mirco-USB, so it's a non-issue. The ZNA has mechanical RBP (requires the use of button top batteries, a flat-top won't make a connection and neither will a button-top that's inserted backwards). I'm not sure about the others.

 

[Coelli]

You are insinuating that I did not do my research. The MVP2 device is not some brand new device without history. The MVP 1 was one of the best VV devices released in 2012. Phil's review of the original MVP 1 is dripping with praise. The MVP 2 is a refined revision of that product. There are still MVP 1's out in the wild working just fine.

I'm not insinuating anything more than that you choose what seems to be the best for you and I'll choose the thing that seems to be the best for me. I didn't make up the throwaway point, that was made by other posters as to why they don't want to spend the up-front money on a Provari and choose to buy something else (I think you might have made that point yourself, though this is a long thread so it's all a blur). "If it breaks, I can replace it for cheap."

I have absolutely nothing against the MVP2 or anyone who decides that's the best option for them. If I was interested in box mods, I would have been looking at the MVP2, the REO, etc. when I was looking to upgrade (but probably still would not buy something without a swappable battery). I just don't recommend them to anyone because I don't have any direct experience with them. But on that basis I don't dissuade anyone from buying them, either. I'm just relating my experience and reasoning, so please don't take it so personally.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Are these really yours?? If yes, can you bring them over for a play date?? So cute, I wanna kiss one.

Not mine. Sorry. Just a random google image. I'll post up a pic of my pet when photobucket decides they are done with "routine site maintenance."

Hope you weren't expecting a hedgehog. His name is Buckley.

 

[Coelli]

D'aaaw...

Here's Mr. Barley von Soda. Don't tell the other dogs, but he's my favorite. (That's a drawing of him in my avatar, too.)

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Off topic.

I want a cigalike regulated to a flat 4.5v, I know the run time will be short. Satin stainless to go with my Elite Provari stuff.

I could actually get along fine with what I have now. My bases are sufficiently covered.

Once a satisfying level of technology in some areas is reached the latest and greatest is not as important to some people.

There are 100 year old things I like to use, some stuff built in the 50's, others from the 60's. In many areas the 70's marked a drop off in quality.

I can see using a Provari until I die, I don't feel the need for anything better in this size class. It is the small highly portable devices I think need some work. Not in features and I accept the short run times. I just want a little more punch out the little hands free capable stuff.

 

[Ohms Lawbreaker]

I love those no-name generic 5-for-a-dollar disposable lighters that work once or twice, then produce the tinniest bit of nearly invisible flame if any flame at all.

Don't you love them? You're staring at a full lighter, flint works, valve wide open or not, doesn't matter. Flicking like crazy.

And when (if) you reach the tiny flame that can't even give a hotfoot to a grasshopper, you blow it out with your breath and have to start all over, building more callouses than Eric Clapton.

Man I love having no lighters for vaping.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Off topic.

I want a cigalike regulated to a flat 4.5v, I know the run time will be short. Satin stainless to go with my Elite Provari stuff.

I could actually get along fine with what I have now. My bases are sufficiently covered.

It would probably last about as long as a real cigarette. I wouldn't mind something like that either. Vape it till it dies, then throw it on the charger for a half hour, just in time for the next use.

 

[CommaHolly]

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww the puppies are darling,,,

but um,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Mr. Barley Von Soda????????

there's a story there somewhere,,,,,,,,

 

[CommaHolly]

It would probably last about as long as a real cigarette. I wouldn't mind something like that either. Vape it till it dies, then throw it on the charger for a half hour, just in time for the next use.

I think the closest is the e-roll,,,,,,,,

but that doesn't go up that high for volts,,,,,,,,

 

[NiNi]

Read through most of this thread, I'm so glad I'm not on either side of the extremists.
It takes so much effort to "hate" others simply because they don't use the same equipment as you. I'm not talking about most folks, just the select few that have such a problem with others choices as what to vape. >snip<

Naw, I don't see any "hate", just friendly banter and some pretty good information on various devices, for the most part. I, for one, have gotten quite a few laughs and become more informed reading through what is becoming a mini novel of sorts.

I have had a vape journey, like many others, where a B & M wasn't nearby and no local vaping friends to suggest mods during this ongoing quest, a trial by fire. I have the drawer of various "stick" type batteries, and the eVic, SiD, iTaste 134, MVP2, and the ProVari. <----that is my "learning curve" just like the similar learning curve I am going through with RBA's. If I respond to a post where someone is looking for a mod, I take into consideration WHAT they WANT in a device, their experience, and the COST. THEN, I will suggest accordingly. I don't post "BUY PROVARI!!!" ad nauseum. (I think I suggested it once)

It's all about what you NEED, WANT or DON'T WANT, can AFFORD, and it WORKS for YOU.

But the whole point is the topic "I don't use a ProVari", and that it was posted in jest by the OP. For the most part it HAS been entertaining. But I see very little here, if any, that could be considered "hate".

 

[Baditude]

Dude, you vape carto's. They're disposable!

Yeah, they're disposable. What's your point? Everything which uses a coil will need to have those coils replaced. Even your rebuildables will need to have their coils replaced at some point. Name me something that doesn't have something disposable in it. What was your point other than question everything that I post?

 

[JJOOHHNN]

I think the closest is the e-roll,,,,,,,,

but that doesn't go up that high for volts,,,,,,,,

I had an eRoll, the V4L Titan kicked it's but. I got rid of the eRoll.

I am an Anit-Erollarian.

 

[GetVaked]

I had an eRoll, the V4L Titan kicked it's but. I got rid of the eRoll.

I am an Anit-Erollarian.

What are the Titans regulated at? I love cig-a-likes. Just wish there was a really, really nice one out there.

Never mind, I Googled it.

 

[EvilZoe]

Yeah, they're disposable. What's your point? Everything which uses a coil will need to have those coils replaced. Even your rebuildables will need to have their coils replaced at some point. Name me something that doesn't have something disposable in it. What was your point other than question everything that I post?

Why are you posting? Just who do you think you are? Do you realize that my underwear makes me better than you? Are you worshiping at my temple every Tuesday?

 

[B1sh0p]

Yeah, they're disposable. What's your point? Everything which uses a coil will need to have those coils replaced. Even your rebuildables will need to have their coils replaced at some point. Name me something that doesn't have something disposable in it. What was your point other than question everything that I post?

You just went on a diatribe about not wanting a disposable device. Something, something, disposable society, something, something. Cartomizers are throw away devices. How could you top a Provari with a throw away? Blasphemy.