I don't want to chase clouds: SubOhm Resources Please

[Two_Bears]

Cutting the fluff here.

Yes.

I've understood you all along.

For months. Quite a few of them.

And I happen to KNOW you're wrong.

Why?

Because EVERY newly turned ex-smoker isn't the same.

I progressed quickly from choking, hacking, struggling, nic fits, migraines, stress and moodiness to finally feeling this may work long term.

What was my problem?
Trying YOUR WAY first.

Don't get me wrong. I think your input would be invaluable if you didn't think you were offering THE ONLY way.

But... I DIDN'T SMOKE THAT WAY, either.

On a slow day, I smoked 4 packs. Sometimes with 2 21mg patches on while chewing nicorette and supplementing with a nice cigar and/or Skoal mint or wintergreen.

I often inhaled a cigarette in 3 drags leaving a full length cherry.

HOWEVER!

My other 2 examples above DIDN'T do all that.

And are still successful dl vapers.

Hell, my brother never even smoked. He dipped and chewed solely.

And started vaping at 100 watts.

This deep end talk? Why strike fear?

Run back to cancer sticks?
Running?
Really?

You really meant hobble and wheeze, right?

Exactly how do you propose I emulate how *I* used to smoke?

Because what you're suggesting now... that's SUPPOSED to work for EVERYBODY... SUCKS! (for me)

Tapatyped

I just want people to have a chance of success to get tge nicotine monkey off their back As so many people have.

You accused me of saying that have to do it my way. Arent the people recommending sub ohm devices to newbies doing the thing you are accusing me of?

All i want is people to vape similar to the way they smoke. Turning new vapers into sub Ohm cloud chasers is not the answer either.

 

[Two_Bears]

For me the devices that offer large clouds is what actually finally got me 100% switched over to vaping and off the analogs... The setups i started with were all mtl but i still dl'd on them, had to augment the airflow by not having a complete seal with lips, wasnt the most satisfying thing but showed me that there was possibility. Right now my device would be considered a cloud chaser device however i stick with simple coils. I use dual coals 6 wraps each of 26awg SS316L at 4mm. Run at 420F right now. I love the feeling/sensation in my lungs clouds be damned. TBH if i could get the same exact feeling with less clouds i would because it does get annoying having my rooms getting fogged up. Unfortunately cant have my cake and eat it too in this particular area.

If you need direct lung cloud chasing to stay off the stinkies. It sounds like your nicotine level is set too low.

 

[NU_FTW]

If you need direct lung cloud chasing to stay off the stinkies. It sounds like your nicotine level is set too low.

Or you are just wrong..... It isnt the NIC content... it is the sensation that it creates in my lungs. i do not chase clouds thank you. Just admit that what works for you isnt the "BEST" possible solution. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with nicotine all about how it feels in my lungs and little toot poof devices are not adequate for ME. To each their own, not to each Yours..

 

[beckdg]

You accused me of saying that have to do it my way. Arent the people recommending sub ohm devices to newbies doing the thing you are accusing me of?

Considering the broad stroke, I'm going to have to say no.

Recommending is not saying elsewise is wrong.

You're more than welcomed to recommend what you want to a new vaper.

Telling them they're doing it wrong because it's not the narrow minded, ONLY way you agree with is a great injustice.

All i want is people to vape similar to the way they smoke. Turning new vapers into sub Ohm cloud chasers is not the answer either.

I don't know how to respond to this.

Do you understand sub ohm?

And what is THE answer? (There we go again... millions of people, yet you have ONE answer.)

Is there any possibility of a compromise or a middle ground in your eyes?

All I see is extremes.

Your one extreme you promote and the one extreme you use to vilify all other rational options.

This isn't how the world works. There's even a mommy porn series called 50 shades of grey that exemplifies this in the title.

And thank goodness vaping has caught up to the real world.

Because what works for me may not work for you.

We're individuals... individuals...

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

If you need direct lung cloud chasing to stay off the stinkies. It sounds like your nicotine level is set too low.

Extreme facepalm!

I vape 50mg/ml
I direct lung hit
I don't chase clouds or compete or show off
I vape at about 80 watts

You couldn't be further from the truth in my case.

Tapatyped

 

[NU_FTW]

Extreme facepalm!

I vape 50mg/ml
I direct lung hit
I don't chase clouds or compete or show off
I vape at about 80 watts

You couldn't be further from the truth in my case.

Tapatyped

Exactly. Except in my sub-ohm use i have actually been able to drop my nicotine, i am currently down to 1.5mg/ml and have not increased my juice use from when i started sub-ohm vaping. Different strokes for different folks. I just dont understand why everyone has to fit into a particular category exactly as one sees it...But then again i do not understand the left either...

 

[Ladiekali]

i can not imagine vaping over 12 nic. i get a lump in my throat that i don't like. it's about as bad as gagging. most juices i can't handle stronger than 6 nic. and that's in a mtl tank.

 

[KenD]

Or you are just wrong..... It isnt the NIC content... it is the sensation that it creates in my lungs. i do not chase clouds thank you. Just admit that what works for you isnt the "BEST" possible solution. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with nicotine all about how it feels in my lungs and little toot poof devices are not adequate for ME. To each their own, not to each Yours..

Exactly. I started with Ego sticks and ce4 clearos, and while that got me of smoking it was higher power mods/atties and lower nic liquids that finally gave me the most satisfaction (now I can pretty much do zero nic and be happy with it). Now when I try out my low power devices with higher nic liquid it simply isn't satisfying. And I mtl with "dtl tanks" such as the Aromamizer Supreme and Limitless.

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[Ladiekali]

I just want people to have a chance of success to get tge nicotine monkey off their back As so many people have.

You accused me of saying that have to do it my way. Arent the people recommending sub ohm devices to newbies doing the thing you are accusing me of?

All i want is people to vape similar to the way they smoke. Turning new vapers into sub Ohm cloud chasers is not the answer either.

for me, i've been vaping for years and still couldn't kick the habit, i found that i needed to not vape like i smoked. the more i tried to replace smoking, the more i would just light up. I needed something satisfying. i specifically stayed away from sub ohming because i didn't want to cloud chase, and i still don't want to cloud chase... but i honestly get a satisfaction on a .5 coil at 40 watts that is so good with a feeling in the throat i like and vapor that tastes amazing. I have tried many many many tanks.

 

[beckdg]

i can not imagine vaping over 12 nic. i get a lump in my throat that i don't like. it's about as bad as gagging. most juices i can't handle stronger than 6 nic. and that's in a mtl tank.

And I, for one, am happy that you have that option and I have mine.

Tapatyped

 

[Ladiekali]

exactly

too bad for me it's taken this long to figure out what i need vs what i want to give up cigarettes.

 

[SteveS45]

My vaping style changes accordingly with the time of day the temperature or if the sun is out. See checking on this forum made me grad a Sub Ohm MOD setup and now fogging out my monitor and have to wait to see who responded!

 

[beckdg]

exactly

too bad for me it's taken this long to figure out what i need vs what i want to give up cigarettes.

I still remember how excited you were when you got your first Provari.

Still got that in rotation, I presume?

Tapatyped

 

[Two_Bears]

Or you are just wrong..... It isnt the NIC content... it is the sensation that it creates in my lungs. i do not chase clouds thank you. Just admit that what works for you isnt the "BEST" possible solution. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with nicotine all about how it feels in my lungs and little toot poof devices are not adequate for ME. To each their own, not to each Yours..

If people want to get off smoking. I want them to have xa chance of success.

 

[Ladiekali]

nope lol.

i have 7 provari's and i mostly use my uwell crown tanks, and well the provari's won't fire them

i tried getting that dang kabuki for the p3, just doesn't do it for me. i wasted so much money chasing for that satisfying vape.

I was doing so good on carto tanks didn't smoke for a few weeks...... then those dissapeared from the scene.

i went back to smoking and constantly trying new tanks.... so so many tanks !!! finally decided to try this uwell crown sub ohm tank... and thank goodness it's doing it for me.. I'm down to about 5 smokes a day.

dissapointing this september will be 4 years of vaping, and still smoking!

 

[Ladiekali]

i guess i should add, i also vape a lot of wta infused juices....

 

[Two_Bears]

Considering the broad stroke, I'm going to have to say no.

Recommending is not saying elsewise is wrong.

You're more than welcomed to recommend what you want to a new vaper.

Telling them they're doing it wrong because it's not the narrow minded, ONLY way you agree with is a great injustice.



I don't know how to respond to this.

Do you understand sub ohm?

And what is THE answer? (There we go again... millions of people, yet you have ONE answer.)

Is there any possibility of a compromise or a middle ground in your eyes?

All I see is extremes.

Your one extreme you promote and the one extreme you use to vilify all other rational options.

This isn't how the world works. There's even a mommy porn series called 50 shades of grey that exemplifies this in the title.

And thank goodness vaping has caught up to the real world.

Because what works for me may not work for you.

We're individuals... individuals...

Tapatyped

No. I want them to vape in the style that works for them. If they MTL cigarettes; direct lung vaping will feel weird. And many prefer feeling normal go feeling weird.

 

[NU_FTW]

If people want to get off smoking. I want them to have xa chance of success.

and who are you to decide what the best chance is for the masses? From day one I hated trying to vape the way I smoke. I mtl'd analog 100s in 2 minutes and hot box the heck out of them. dl vaping is what works best for me and if I could start over never having spent a dime I would start sub ohm for thicker vape. See I couldn't get off analogs completely if I were to adhere to your advice. It's not just nicotine that got me over the hump but the whole feeling of thicker more dense and more volume vape.

 

[NU_FTW]

No. I want them to vape in the style that works for them. If they MTL cigarettes; direct lung vaping will feel weird. And many prefer feeling normal go feeling weird.

wrong. I am perfect example of why your opinion doesn't work for masses.

 

[Vikaernes]

Someone is asking for advice. Advice is going to come from personal experience and opinion. I quit smoking, completely on the first day using a cigalike. If someone asked me how to quit, that is the advice I would give them, because I know it worked for me. Replicate what you know, and what you are used to, until that habit has waned, then go for something different if you like. I think vaping 50ML juice and subohming right out of the box is complete, 100% madness. However if that's what worked for someone, I suppose that's the advice they would give. Present your point of view and let the person decide. The tug of war between sub ohm and not is absolutely tiring.