I got the impression TC is unpopular - but why?

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it’s just perfect. It’s like having on the fly automatically adjusted curve!

This is why I use TC mode. You can tailor your vape more easily than using VW Curves.

Plus I prefer a cooler vape - with a 20watts preheat and 350-380f set up, it's my perfect vape
 

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TC can be as complicated or as easy as you want to make it.
But I dont find it to be any more complicated than using VW or VV with a 28,30 or 32 ga kanthal coil set at 6 to 10w.
220c is a hot vape, for me. I generally set the temp for about 185c to 200c and the power/wattage to about 25% to 35% above what I would vape in vv or vw and, well, thats it, I vape.
Right now I have fixed fixed voltage, unreg'd, vw and tc set ups in front of me and all I do on any of them is push the fire button and inhale. I dont find building coils any different for any of the set ups other than I have to have a more specific build for fixed voltage and unregd mods and that doesnt involve a complicated process to achieve.
I only use round wire, 28ga to 32ga, ss or KA1 and occasionally a fine ss clapton. Simple.
 

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i want a titanium wire!
Is there a way to buy it online with international shipping?

Titanium Wire 26 AWG RW0499 - 50 FT 0.34 oz Surgical Grade 1 Non-Resistance AWG
on the website it says “non resistance wire” - is that the right thing?

That looks like what you want though you'll also want to check that it's annealed. I ordered on amazon (Temco RW0499, 26ga, Titanium Grade 1 (i.e. surgical) Annealed Round Wire). It's reasonably common so should be available in your market. Ti coils last a long time and contain no Chromium (an alloy in SS and Nichrome). Find a recommended/trusted source. I certainly think you will notice the difference for TC. BTW, don't dryburn with Ti coils. I clean by scraping coils with small screwdriver, and rinse or rewick every day or two. Let us know what you think.
 
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That looks like what you want though you'll also want to check that it's annealed. I ordered on amazon (Temco RW0499, 26ga, Titanium Grade 1 (i.e. surgical) Annealed Round Wire). It's reasonably common so should be available in your market. Ti coils last a long time and contain no Chromium (an alloy in SS and Nichrome). Find a recommended/trusted source. I certainly think you will notice the difference for TC. BTW, don't dryburn with Ti coils. I clean by scraping coils with small screwdriver, and rinse or rewick every day or two. Let us know what you think.
Amazon won’t ship it to me.
Locally also no luck so far.

I see Lightning Vapes have a Ti wire, can anyone vouch for them?
I ordered from them in the past and I like the service and fast shipping, products subjectively were fine (I.e. I had no problems, that’s all I can assess).
If you say they are ok, It will be the easiest thing for me to order from them.


Regarding NOT Dry Burning Ti wire -I’m aware of that, but I do have a question - usually, whatever wire I use (SS, Ni80, prebuilt wires) I always found that I have to dry burn them, otherwise they simply don’t work.
Just yesterday I actually rebuilt my MTL with the same 26awg SS, but 1.14 ohm this time, so before I dry burned it, it simply did not work.

What will I do if Ti will have same issue? (Basically I’m talking about the issue where a wire will not heat evenly, or won’t heat at all - only in hot spots, until you twist and scrape it a bit)
 
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TC can be as complicated or as easy as you want to make it.
But I dont find it to be any more complicated than using VW or VV with a 28,30 or 32 ga kanthal coil set at 6 to 10w.
220c is a hot vape, for me. I generally set the temp for about 185c to 200c and the power/wattage to about 25% to 35% above what I would vape in vv or vw and, well, thats it, I vape.
Right now I have fixed fixed voltage, unreg'd, vw and tc set ups in front of me and all I do on any of them is push the fire button and inhale. I dont find building coils any different for any of the set ups other than I have to have a more specific build for fixed voltage and unregd mods and that doesnt involve a complicated process to achieve.
I only use round wire, 28ga to 32ga, ss or KA1 and occasionally a fine ss clapton. Simple.

well, I strive for that as well! :)
I bet it comes with experience though!

I agree on the temp - I can vape with lower temps apparently. On mtl I rebuilt the coil, got a bit lower resistance, and it vapes fine on 180c. (Btw I don’t know if resistance is even a factor here, I’m just guessing, since that’s the only variable I can think of).
Also just for fun I built a dual coil (same wire 26awg) on one of DL I had, and it vapes just fine for me even on 160c. Go figure!
 

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Amazon won’t ship it to me.
Locally also no luck so far.

I see Lightning Vapes have a Ti wire, can anyone vouch for them?
I ordered from them in the past and I like the service and fast shipping, products subjectively were fine (I.e. I had no problems, that’s all I can assess).
If you say they are ok, It will be the easiest thing for me to order from them.


Regarding NOT Dry Burning Ti wire -I’m aware of that, but I do have a question - usually, whatever wire I use (SS, Ni80, prebuilt wires) I always found that I have to dry burn them, otherwise they simply don’t work.
Just yesterday I actually rebuilt my MTL with the same 26awg SS, but 1.14 ohm this time, so before I dry burned it, it simply did not work.

What will I do if Ti will have same issue? (Basically I’m talking about the issue where a wire will not heat evenly, or won’t heat at all - only in hot spots, until you twist and scrape it a bit)
Your easiest solution would be to build spaced coils. They don't really have hotspots like contact coils do, and would eliminate that step when building.

And lightning Vapes is a good company. I order from them all the time.
 

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well, I strive for that as well! :)
I bet it comes with experience though!

I agree on the temp - I can vape with lower temps apparently. On mtl I rebuilt the coil, got a bit lower resistance, and it vapes fine on 180c. (Btw I don’t know if resistance is even a factor here, I’m just guessing, since that’s the only variable I can think of).
Also just for fun I built a dual coil (same wire 26awg) on one of DL I had, and it vapes just fine for me even on 160c. Go figure!

Tc is like VW, the resistance has no real effect, other than in choosing the wattage setting in TC mode. So long as you're ithin the specified range, you're good to go. As to different temps with different tanks or builds, that's common. Not all perform the same way in vape characteristics at the "same" temp, things like airlfow come into play.
 

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Tc is like VW, the resistance has no real effect, other than in choosing the wattage setting in TC mode. So long as you're ithin the specified range, you're good to go. As to different temps with different tanks or builds, that's common. Not all perform the same way in vape characteristics at the "same" temp, things like airlfow come into play.
One of the cooler mtl rta's I have is the Savour MTL RTA. Same watts same coil its a cooler vape than the berserker, doggies, true etc. Ive tried analyzing why and the best I can come up with is slightly bigger chamber(maybe), or that the coil when set just above the airflow hole is further from the lips. I dont really know why it is cooler but I like it.
With the Savour I have no problem vaping in TC at 215C compared to the berserker and others at 190'ish Celsius.
Another example is the Nixon RDTA, small chamber, coil close to mouth, restricted airlow hot vape at any useable temp with the same coils. The Wasp Nano in comparison has a slightly larger chamber the coil is further from the mouth, more airflow and a much cooler vape even at 220c.
Its the same temp at the coil but not at the mouth.
 

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One of the cooler mtl rta's I have is the Savour MTL RTA. Same watts same coil its a cooler vape than the berserker, doggies, true etc. Ive tried analyzing why and the best I can come up with is slightly bigger chamber(maybe), or that the coil when set just above the airflow hole is further from the lips. I dont really know why it is cooler but I like it.
With the Savour I have no problem vaping in TC at 215C compared to the berserker and others at 190'ish Celsius.
Another example is the Nixon RDTA, small chamber, coil close to mouth, restricted airlow hot vape at any useable temp with the same coils. The Wasp Nano in comparison has a slightly larger chamber the coil is further from the mouth, more airflow and a much cooler vape even at 220c.
Its the same temp at the coil but not at the mouth.

It might have more airflow, or a more effective airflow. The better the airflow works, the more effectively it will keep the coil cool.
 

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It might have more airflow, or a more effective airflow. The better the airflow works, the more effectively it will keep the coil cool.
In vw, vv etc certainly. But with TC the chip reads and adjusts at the coil. 220c is 220c at the coil is all that the chip knows, thats what it will try and maintain at the coil. What happens to the vapour after it leaves that point of control is what the rta rtda rda design brings to the table. A bersker with the 4ml extension is a slightly cooler vape than the berserker in its 2ml form with the same coil for example. All that has changed is the distance the mouth is from the coil and the chamber ends up being slightly larger. Its the same deck, coil and essentially the airflow is the same but it moves through a slightly bigger chamber.
 

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@Baditude ...as a confirmed MTL Tootle Puffer...who has NEVER had ANY interest in going over 15Watts...I honed in on the 3000mAh batteries on your list...

Would there be ANY advantage for me to use the 20 amp LG-HG2...over the 15 amp Samsung-30Q or Sony-VTC6???

(I've been using the Samsung-30Q because Mooch said it retained more capacity and had more recycles than the Sony-VTC6...(which retained more capacity and had more recycles than the LG-HG2.)
From my personal experience in using all three 3000 mah batteries, I prefer the Samsung 30Q. I first began using the LG HG2 about three years ago, switched to the Samsung 30Q the following year, and earlier this year began using the Sony VTC6.

I use my nearly dozen batteries in a random rotation. The LG HG-2 batteries, being nearly 3 years old now, cut out faster now. The 2 year old 30Q are still performing like new. The Sony's, not quite a year old, are beginning to fall in capacity performance already. Next batch that I order next year will be 30Q's.

The LG-HG2 and the Sony VTC6 batteries don't seem to last quite as long during use (capacity) for me. I seem to get a bit longer run time per day with the Samsung. Not a "scientific" observation, mind you, as I don't keep written records. I'm not really a fan of pink, so I kind of wish the chocolate or green batteries lasted longer. :D

For the record, I'm using either a JAC Vapour series B DNA75W or Geekvape Aegis Solo, both around 25 - 30 watts. I use a DTL draw, and fall in between a Tootle Puffer and a high wattage vaper.

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In vw, vv etc certainly. But with TC the chip reads and adjusts at the coil. 220c is 220c at the coil is all that the chip knows, thats what it will try and maintain at the coil. What happens to the vapour after it leaves that point of control is what the rta rtda rda design brings to the table. A bersker with the 4ml extension is a slightly cooler vape than the berserker in its 2ml form with the same coil for example. All that has changed is the distance the mouth is from the coil and the chamber ends up being slightly larger. Its the same deck, coil and essentially the airflow is the same but it moves through a slightly bigger chamber.

Yes, chamber length does effect the temperature of the vapor as it enters your mouth, since it has more material to interact with and transfer heat to, and more time to cool off. But airflow will also cool off the vapor AFTER it leaves the coil, so the mod's chosen firing mode really has no effect on that. The temperature setting is a calculation (based off of live ohms readings) of the coil, not the temp of the vapor itself, so factors such as drip tip length and bore, distance from coil, airflow amount and direction, coil positioning, and draw strength all have an effect on the vapor temperature as it exits the atomizer using any firing mode.

And sorry if I misspoke earlier, I meant to say vapor cool, not coil cool.
 

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Yes, chamber length does effect the temperature of the vapor as it enters your mouth, since it has more material to interact with and transfer heat to, and more time to cool off. But airflow will also cool off the vapor AFTER it leaves the coil, so the mod's chosen firing mode really has no effect on that. The temperature setting is a calculation (based off of live ohms readings) of the coil, not the temp of the vapor itself, so factors such as drip tip length and bore, distance from coil, airflow amount and direction, coil positioning, and draw strength all have an effect on the vapor temperature as it exits the atomizer using any firing mode.

And sorry if I misspoke earlier, I meant to say vapor cool, not coil cool.
Yeah, we are kinda saying the same thing. Chip reads the coil not the vapour. It doesnt care what the airflow does to the coil, it will compensate at the coil and keep it at the set parameters. Everything after is the rta.
 

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In vw, vv etc certainly. But with TC the chip reads and adjusts at the coil. 220c is 220c at the coil is all that the chip knows, thats what it will try and maintain at the coil. What happens to the vapour after it leaves that point of control is what the rta rtda rda design brings to the table. A bersker with the 4ml extension is a slightly cooler vape than the berserker in its 2ml form with the same coil for example. All that has changed is the distance the mouth is from the coil and the chamber ends up being slightly larger. Its the same deck, coil and essentially the airflow is the same but it moves through a slightly bigger chamber.

It's important to remember just because you set you device to 220C doesn't mean you're vaping at 220C (the coil). That is the cutoff you set. If you have a compatible chipset, you can use something like eScribe for DNA chips or ArcticFox for eLeaf compatible stuff and see everything in real time. It's quite possible you may only be at 170-180C with your settings. The curves will tell you the truth.

Most mods will flash temp protect if you do reach the temperature set. That's not an error, just that you, the coil, have reached the set temp, and the mod is throttling power to prevent the temp from rising any further (actually the resistance, as that's what the mods knows, which it calculates from the TCR/TFR or TFR curve it's working from). That temp protect notice is in fact a simple way to know if you really have reached the temperature you entered.

Yeah, we are kinda saying the same thing. Chip reads the coil not the vapour. It doesnt care what the airflow does to the coil, it will compensate at the coil and keep it at the set parameters. Everything after is the rta.

It does have an effect in that higher airflow will keep the coil cooler, so the mod will deliver more power to try and reach the target you set in selecting the temperature. The best way to see this is with a real time graph of the mod and coil's behavior. But essentially yes, the mod will adjust to watever airflw conditions you have to maintain the proper resistance/temperature, and after that, it's the chamber, chimney and drip tip.
 
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I no longer use Temperature Control and adopted Quantum Excitation Control – or QEC for short. QEC is about measuring the quantum state of a system that has a higher energy than the ground state. Excitation is an elevation of that energy. This is measurable and controllable.

Unfortunately, no such device is available within the vape industry. Fortunately for me, my cat is an evil genius who has developed a QEC circuit small enough for me to retro fit into an existing vape device. The original concept was to be implemented into a squeaky mouse toy, where if she swatted the toy, that transfer of energy would be converted to the needed energy to make the toy squeak. QEC was to measure the amount of energy from her hitting the toy, then adjust accordingly – the harder the hit, the louder the squeak. Quite clever. I managed to convince her with tasty strips of bacon, and a couple of baggies of Killer Crush Cat Nip (not the illicit stuff from the US) to implement a QEC circuit for a vape device.

And with the additional payment of a bucket of fried chicken, she has implemented a neuron sensing fire button that will instantly detect any thought process and automatically adjusts either wattage or temperature. I do not have to adjust anything…just think about what temperature I wish to vape at and press fire.

The device works perfectly, better than the industries best TC devices. And does not require a TC compatible metal, so any coil or mesh can be used. However, every time I hit the fire button the device squeaks like a mouse toy.

my Wifey is allergic to Evil Genius Cats, so I guess I'll have to miss out on using that hi end technology ;)
 

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QEC has been around awhile. It just for some reason Never caught on with the Mainstream Vaping crowd.

Could be due to there is No Way to control Energy Scalars via a Lorentz Transformation when moving in at Higher Relativistic Velocities? Or that the e-Liquids have to be Quantumly Entangled with the Mod while they are in a Steady Rest State? Or that the th-ranked Field Tensors have to be spot on so your N-Dimensional Linear Mappings jive.

Whatever it is/was, it just Never seemed to make that Big Splash that many thought it would.

was the inductive coupling issue ever solved or was it shielded?? ;)
 
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