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the Newbie Forum. GRRRRRR!!! I will just leave it to the Provari fan boys who KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT vaping. "Just get a Provari..."
My head hurts. Poor new people. They will be getting a Provari and running a LR cartomizer on top as they overfill and have juice dripping down the side of a $200 battery case and wondering why this vaping "thing" just isn't working out so well. When the batteries run dry, they will be running to Walgreens to buy a disposable Blu.
Oh, well. They all want a Prothingy. GOD FORBID people should tell them to slow their roll and figure it out before spending the rent money on a device they do not understand.
I Agree with a lot of what you say. I too bought into the provari Jan 2013. Mostly because of everything I read in the new user forum about it. From my own personal experience I wish I would of researched more. I drank the koolaid bought a provari and from day 1 it had an intermittent problem. It wouldnt fire properly / cut off for no reason. Within a few weeks it was pissing me off to even use the thing.
So my super awesome provari which cost over 250 for the order....had to be mailed back( ya thats right no new provari in the mail with a box,return slip, and maybe a sorry). I had to mail it back.. wait for them to check it.... wait for them to mail me a new one...... Needless to say I was highly upset.
Within 8 weeks the window is pushing in on it....
Fast forward to present day. It is eating batteries and I suspect something is wrong with it..... yet again!
Soooo many other things I could have purchased but I went with the Provari from provape.( The place with no support number to call when your $200 ish device breaks. )
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the Newbie Forum. GRRRRRR!!! I will just leave it to the Provari fan boys who KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT VAPING. "Just get a Provari..."
My head hurts. Poor new people. They will be getting a Provari and running a LR cartomizer on top as they overfill and have juice dripping down the side of a $200 battery case and wondering why this vaping "thing" just isn't working out so well. When the batteries run dry, they will be running to Walgreens to buy a disposable Blu.
Oh, well. They all want a Prothingy. GOD FORBID people should tell them to slow their roll and figure it out before spending the rent money on a device they do not understand.
I was one of those new users who literally jumped from a gas station ecig kit to a provari, skipping all middle mods in the process. I wasn't looking for the most expensive, flashy, gimmicky, apv. I was looking for the SAFEST and most used (time tested) mod, mainly because I wanted to have something in common with all the helpful video reviewers and guides put out there on the 'net so when a guy like phil busardo is using a provari while he's reviewing stuff, that solidified it. When everyone is talking about volts and ohms on here, 'vari displays it - things worked even though I didn't know why I had to dial x volts for x ohms. So I never experienced regret skipping the middle mods. Buying one provari lead me to buying another actually. I like to double up on everything, even chargers. Again, this came as advice to me from more experienced vapers, provari fanboys and what-not.
I dunno about you folks but if you're trying to break a 20-year 2+ PAD for good, what's a couple hundred dollars gonna matter? You know what almost burnt me out though, back then, chellemmm? The delivery devices that sat on top of the provari, like the big vivi nova's and those terrible dct tanks that provape still sells. WHAT A SHAME the iClear30 'n Protank didn't exist when I started my journey from stinky stickland. I fell in love with thick 'n rich (complex) VG-only juices too, only to discover nothing short of direct dripping worked well. But that got to be messy and basically as a newbie I almost wrote the whole thing off; the provari, the devices, the juice, the vaping. I find myself now hooked on bottom juice feeding box mods like the Reos (vvg in particular, woodvil one day hopefully) without the mess. Doesn't mean that Reos are better than Provari's, just different. For me, a bobaholic, they came as a blessing.
Now let me tell ya something chellemmm, I've been happily vaping for over 6 months, and because I'm allergic to money when I get my paycheck, I decided for the first time to buy a couple different kinds of eGo Twist & Spinner batteries along with a Kanger Pro-Tank 'n iClear30. Well, NOT BAD NOT BAD AT ALL, I must say. It feels soft, pocket friendly, very light, the knob is a lot less threatening than an LCD screen with big scary numbers, and no big batteries (stacked or otherwise). Not to mention, cool looking with a kanger pro-tank with some glow in the dark kinda juices. I think a couple egos or spinners with a one-piece tank has its place atleast as a backup's backup and I wonder if I am appreciating them more since I cut my teeth on a provari?
Oh yeah, I do know their limitations, I'm not expecting miracles. I know my egos and spinners will die or just stop working outright, I know they won't hold a charge for that long over time. I know they aren't enough, even in rotation, to sustain ADV. I don't like the ego chargers, cord is too short. And computers shouldn't be used to charge batteries, it's not good for your motherboard or the eGo. I wonder if it's ok to use a powerstrip or extension cord of some kind, to charge an ego with household current?
What's so cool to me about this enviornment is how quickly the technology evolves so this time next year we as a whole, we won't have as many problems as we have now. Maybe one day that April Fools Day "no wick no wire" joke will become a reality!
For the record, the above is my account of what I needed to do to remain smokefree & happy. And I only found this thread because the ocelot is posting a lot here and it's showing in my activity window thingy. Then I noticed this thread has almost 400 posts, so yeah, not gonna do that. But I read the OP and see why all you hip people post here!
Have you tried it with some new, good quality batteries? Unfortunately there is a bit of junk out there.
Also, do you always use the batteries to dead flat before putting them on the charger? I know all these devices have a cutout on them that turns the device off at 3.2 volts, but I'd seriously suggest 3.2V is too low. I always put my batteries on charge when they hit 3.5V if I remember to, because of past experience I've had with Lithium batteries. They really don't like being flat. The difference in time between 3.5V down to 3.2 is really quite small in comparison to 4.2V down to 3.5.
Here's an illustration for you: My wife and I bought new phones. Got a great deal, a twofer. She's the sort of person who runs the phone flat before putting it on charge, like it's an old NiCad battery or something. One week I could never call her - the phone was always off. When I asked what was going on she said she charged the phone but it always went flat some time after lunch (mine would run for three days if it really had to).
So, I swapped batteries with her. I had to a take a charger with me to work and topped the battery up several times per day. After about a week of this it would run all day, no problems. Now, it will last two or three days, no problems, but not as good as mine had been.
I tried to ring her on the Friday, her phone was flat again. "I charged it but it went flat after lunch"
Oooohf. Guess whos got his original battery back again?
I'd have to say it would be exceptionally bad luck to get two dud prothingys, especially considering the build quality and the warranty. Have a look at your battery situation first. If a new quality 2200 mAh battery (new as in brand new, but cycled at least twice already) can't vape at least 6+ml of juice in one day in the Provari and maybe fire up a few ml the next day as well, then there's possibly something wrong with the provari. If the batteries work OK for a while but suffer from degraded capacity over time, consider the quality of the batteries, or how you're using them.
Disclaimer: I don't own a Prothingy. I run a
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ummm...in chellemmm's defense, she started this thread in the "Outside" sub-forum after getting royally slammed in a newbie thread. A mod decided it should go in this forum; it wasn't her choice. She was letting off steam. She never intended her remarks to be part of a general discussion.
I understand loving the ProVari, I'm sitting here with two, so yeah - but I have also gotten PMs from new members almost in tears because they can't afford a mod, or don't think they'll be able to operate one, and have been lead to believe everything thing else is junk and a waste of money. They also often don't think vaping will really work and don't want to spend more than they can afford losing. Getting off of tobacco is very difficult and feeling depressed and discouraged makes it worse.
I'm tech savvy, learn quickly and am blessed to be able to afford advanced devices - something that isn't true some people. Chellmmm had some nasty personal comments flung at her because she dared to suggest a Twist or Spinner might be a more appropriate suggestion for that particular member.
A ProVari is a fabulous machine! So is a Vamo! But they are just power sources - without a good delivery system and a juice you like, a mod can suck as bad as a cig-a-like. Personally, I think new vapers who don't know a carto from a canary would be better off getting a decent mid-sized battery and spending more of their budget on trying different delivery systems and juice - from there they can only move up.
I understand loving the ProVari, I'm sitting here with two, so yeah - but I have also gotten PMs from new members almost in tears because they can't afford a mod, or don't think they'll be able to operate one, and have been lead to believe everything thing else is junk and a waste of money. They also often don't think vaping will really work and don't want to spend more than they can afford losing. Getting off of tobacco is very difficult and feeling depressed and discouraged makes it worse.
I'm tech savvy, learn quickly and am blessed to be able to afford advanced devices - something that isn't true some people. Chellmmm had some nasty personal comments flung at her because she dared to suggest a Twist or Spinner might be a more appropriate suggestion for that particular member.
A ProVari is a fabulous machine! So is a Vamo! But they are just power sources - without a good delivery system and a juice you like, a mod can suck as bad as a cig-a-like. Personally, I think new vapers who don't know a carto from a canary would be better off getting a decent mid-sized battery and spending more of their budget on trying different delivery systems and juice - from there they can only move up.
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A ProVari is a fabulous machine! So is a Vamo! But they are just power sources - without a good delivery system and a juice you like, a mod can suck as bad as a cig-a-like. Personally, I think new vapers who don't know a carto from a canary would be better off getting a decent mid-sized battery and spending more of their budget on trying different delivery systems and juice - from there they can only move up.
Well said Ocelot
I have been an amateur photographer for years. There are a lot of people out there who think that the skill required to make a great picture can be had by spending money on better gear. I bought into that at first too, but after a while I realized it didn't work that way. Sure, there is nothing wrong with better gear, but if you don't know how to use it to your advantage, it does not help you and sometimes it can actually hold you back. I have the feeling that a lot of vapers get too hung up on the latest gear instead of focusing on the best way of using the gear they already have. A very simple camera can produce amazing art in the right hands. Is this really so different from vaping?
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The Ocelet must buy a Bobo!
The Ocelot must buy a Bobo and a Smiley Tank!
You beat me to it! I was going to post a hypno smiley to make you get one. But...I predict...within a week...a Bobo will appear in one of your dreams. Which I venture to say will disturb you more than if one appears in mine...
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Well said Ocelot
I have been an amateur photographer for years. There are a lot of people out there who think that the skill required to make a great picture can be had by spending money on better gear. I bought into that at first too, but after a while I realized it didn't work that way. Sure, there is nothing wrong with better gear, but if you don't know how to use it to your advantage, it does not help you and sometimes it can actually hold you back. I have the feeling that a lot of vapers get too hung up on the latest gear instead of focusing on the best way of using the gear they already have. A very simple camera can produce amazing art in the right hands. Is this really so different from vaping?
You can't buy natural light.
Well said Ocelot
I have been an amateur photographer for years. There are a lot of people out there who think that the skill required to make a great picture can be had by spending money on better gear. I bought into that at first too, but after a while I realized it didn't work that way. Sure, there is nothing wrong with better gear, but if you don't know how to use it to your advantage, it does not help you and sometimes it can actually hold you back. I have the feeling that a lot of vapers get too hung up on the latest gear instead of focusing on the best way of using the gear they already have. A very simple camera can produce amazing art in the right hands. Is this really so different from vaping?
I think better gear makes it easier to get there when you know what you want to achieve. One of my most prized possesions is a photo I took a couple of years ago of my dog. Milo tin pinhole camera, strip of 35mm HP5 stuck inside the lid. Time to make the photo: three hours to make the camera, about 10 minutes to setup and take the shot, and about another hour to proces the film, dry and scan the negative. Oh, and about two years to train the dog to sit still for a pinhole camera.
Yes that's an extreme example, I'm just saying, a few "bells & whistles" can help too. Many of the entry level PV's are set voltage devices (ie 3.4 volts or whatever). What if they were set power, say 6.5 watts? The new user would just screw whatever atty on the battery and always get the same good strong vape.
Better gear?
Yes, ProVari used to be the best, just like American cars used to be the best cars in the world. Everybody wanted to have one--Jean-Louis Trintignant drove a red Mustang convertible on the beach in A Man and a Woman... And we laughed at Japanese cheap knockoffs of our cars.
I almost bought a Provari twice, first the big one (it was too heavy and too big for my hands), then the mini (I didn't like the placement of the button--too low for my comfort). Come to think of it, I should have bought that big one 2 years ago, even a year ago. Then it was the best mod in the world. It was worth the 200 bucks--it was worth every penny. But today? I don't think so... I almost bought it for the third time--it's still sitting in my cart at ProVape. I even added the blue led option for 15 bucks.
But then I saw this little gem--and decided to get it instead. It's a custom Sigelei SS ZMax True Mini with RMS Option 8, OLED Display and extra 18490 Battery Cap. The unnecessary threading from the middle of the body of the Sigelei V2 will be omitted and the shorter 18650 battery cap will be used. The button placement sees to be perfect.
This unit will have following features;
• Option 8 - Vrms / Wrms selectable
• OLED display--clear, crisp and legible
• Stainless steel construction
• Machine finish--non-slippery and nice to the touch
• One-piece stainless steel 510 connector with ego threading that will accept all the heads I'm using without any adapters
• A second battery cap to accommodate a 18490 IMR battery
Of course, if ProVari would offer those features, I'd much rather have a ProVari.
ProVari: Is it Over the Hill?
Very nice article--written by a ProVari fan.
Yes, ProVari used to be the best, just like American cars used to be the best cars in the world. Everybody wanted to have one--Jean-Louis Trintignant drove a red Mustang convertible on the beach in A Man and a Woman... And we laughed at Japanese cheap knockoffs of our cars.
I almost bought a Provari twice, first the big one (it was too heavy and too big for my hands), then the mini (I didn't like the placement of the button--too low for my comfort). Come to think of it, I should have bought that big one 2 years ago, even a year ago. Then it was the best mod in the world. It was worth the 200 bucks--it was worth every penny. But today? I don't think so... I almost bought it for the third time--it's still sitting in my cart at ProVape. I even added the blue led option for 15 bucks.
But then I saw this little gem--and decided to get it instead. It's a custom Sigelei SS ZMax True Mini with RMS Option 8, OLED Display and extra 18490 Battery Cap. The unnecessary threading from the middle of the body of the Sigelei V2 will be omitted and the shorter 18650 battery cap will be used. The button placement sees to be perfect.
This unit will have following features;
• Option 8 - Vrms / Wrms selectable
• OLED display--clear, crisp and legible
• Stainless steel construction
• Machine finish--non-slippery and nice to the touch
• One-piece stainless steel 510 connector with ego threading that will accept all the heads I'm using without any adapters
• A second battery cap to accommodate a 18490 IMR battery
Of course, if ProVari would offer those features, I'd much rather have a ProVari.
ProVari: Is it Over the Hill?
Very nice article--written by a ProVari fan.
RedHatPat: "And computers shouldn't be used to charge batteries, it's not good for your motherboard or the eGo. I wonder if it's ok to use a powerstrip or extension cord of some kind, to charge an ego with household current?"
I mainly charge mine on the cable box. It has a USB port. I also have a USB adapter that I keep on a powerstrip, so I have another dedicated charger spot. So yes, I think it is fine to charge an Ego batt on household current. The upside is that it charges faster, too.
I mainly charge mine on the cable box. It has a USB port. I also have a USB adapter that I keep on a powerstrip, so I have another dedicated charger spot. So yes, I think it is fine to charge an Ego batt on household current. The upside is that it charges faster, too.
Interesting questions in that article. I don't know the answers to them. One thing for sure, some of his readers will be less tolerant of his probing questions than I.
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