I hate Dekang/Boge liquid. Kah-kah!

[radicaljd]

so you'de rather but juice knocked up by some guy at his kitchen sink , using un-sterile equiptment in an un-sterile environment over Dekang.


The Chinese Juice is Safer...its made in lab enviroments from Materials and flavors specificly for vaping, not food based flavors like the USA Liquid

The USA Juice is made mostly in kitchens, offices, garages and basements with Chemicals that are manufactured for Food flavoring or Lab testing....and were made with no intention of vaping ( cheers ride )

still , whatever floats your boat.

Apparently, Johnson Creek's facilities were approved by the FDA, or so I've heard. Too bad I'm not crazy about their juices.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

I actually like Dekang juices (Camel, 555, Ry4, Chesterfield, and Cappuccino) a lot and Boge 510 kits and their cartos are excellent products in my opinion. I did not care for their Marlboro and found it to be a little bit harsh but I have a couple of buddies that love it.

I have also tried a few USA juices from a few US vendors and have been less than impressed with a few although some were very tasty. Everyone has their opinions.

Find something you enjoy and vape on

 

[PVPuff&Stuff]

Hmmm.... Fake?

I got it from Cignot and you can click on a link to view extended details and it says it's made by Boge.....

Then somebody on here told me that IS Dekang.......... like that's who makes Dekang. They were $3 for 5ml bottles.

There's been a lot of counterfeit Dekang going around. It has that heavy perfume flavor to it.

Could be old juice too...it tends to get funky when sitting in the heat/light too long.

Not saying they did it on purpose...maybe they got cheated on their orders. I got offered "Dekang" a few times a little bit ago. It was about a third of the price of my current supplier. I didn't bite, but someone else may have. It comes in the same bottles, same labels...no one would notice just unpacking an order from China and putting it on a shelf.

 

[ApOsTle51]

Do I trust a small american company over a Chinese manufacture?
ABSOLUTELY!

besides I wouldnt be vaping if it wasnt for US liquids...If my only choice was Cigs or nasty Chinese..I'd be smoking still. So it's kinda a mute point.

Really , that's interesting. Is that just because of flavour or general safety of what your inhaling ? Because don't forget , this whole scene started in "nasty" China and all your atties are made in "Nasty " china. The sintered mesh , the polymide wick , the adhesives, the primer liquid, the ceramic all nasty chinese stuff in that attie.

Apparently, Johnson Creek's facilities were approved by the FDA, or so I've heard. Too bad I'm not crazy about their juices.

FDA approval of what , I can't imagine for a second it's approval to manufacture E-liquid. JC are one of the Larger US made liquids , so i wouldn't be to concerned over them . But when Macfan started making the Juice he had some awful results with the first few batches and then some.

And the whole "FAKE" Dekang thing may have something to do with this :

http://www.yndekang.com/NewsView.Asp?id=8

Apparently the boss at Boge conspired with a technician at Dekang to steal trade secrets and form a new company. whether or not that "new company" was making fake Juice , who knows.

ohh , just gotta add , As far as western made juice goes, even our own Intellicig, with their Pharm grade ingredients and target of becomming an NRT and regulated by our gov. got it wrong once.
Their (ahem) "Chemist", made some quite significant error's in mixing a batch. This batch was distributed to customers. It's only the fact it smelt like disinfectant that complaints started comming in and they recalled the batch.
Now , what if it smelt fine , but the (ahem) "chemist" made a dangerous mis-calculation and put a dangerous level of nicotine in there. That would have been the end of these things fo sho. Tell me where the Quality control is there.

Western juices are no safer than our Chinese counterparts. a Mis-placed trust in the use of medical terms means nothing if your not mixing it right.

 

[UntamedRose]

Really , that's interesting. Is that just because of flavour or general safety of what your inhaling ? Because don't forget , this whole scene started in "nasty" China and all your atties are made in "Nasty " china. The sintered mesh , the polymide wick , the adhesives, the primer liquid, the ceramic all nasty chinese stuff in that attie.



FDA approval of what , I can't imagine for a second it's approval to manufacture E-liquid. JC are one of the Larger US made liquids , so i wouldn't be to concerned over them . But when Macfan started making the Juice he had some awful results with the first few batches and then some.

I was a smoker...we all are. Really think I care That much about what I'm inhaling? If I did...well I wouldnt have been a smoker. Especially a US smoker, considering our cigs a 3x's worst.

Hell ya it's 99% taste. If I can't vape it cause it makes me gag...what does it matter if it's supposedly, maybe, possibly safer for me.
Besides I eat stuff all the time from...OMG! Food Cooked in Kitchen in a House! Not really seeing a difference here.

And kinda funny...your "nasty" rant there...I've said the exact same thing about 20.00 stainless steel vs 2.00 Chinese nickel drip tips.

and JC FDA approval...... FDA

btw here is one US kitchen sink

 

[ApOsTle51]

macdonalds doesn't cook out of the managers kitchen, or KFC or any public eatery. There's a big difference between personal use and selling to joe public for consumption.

And people really should read the difference between FDA APPROVAL and FDA REGISTERED.

Crikey , I'm from the UK and even I know they are not the same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWR65NTH9B4&feature=player_embedded

I know which I'd choose over the garage.

 

[UntamedRose]

The moldy factory?! seriously

and isnt that the whole corner of your debate dekang's facilities has been approved by (umm someone 'scratches head') for human consumption.

Wait! wasn't it was Dekang that got the US in trouble to begin with for contaminates in the juice.....When the FDA found diethylene glycol in one sample. Hmmmmmmmmm There goes the it's safer! argument.

 

[Vaporologist]

Hey Apostle,

Most people don't have enough knowledge and understanding of the facts. Due to the lack of those two components necessary to rationalize, they won't be able to agree with you. That's all, don't worry about it.

 

[ApOsTle51]

The moldy factory?! seriously

and isnt that the whole corner of your debate dekang's facilities has been approved by (umm someone 'scratches head') for human consumption.

Nothing we use or inhale has been approved by anybody, that's the point. It's all an unknown. I never said Dekang where approved and certainly not by any western governing body. But facilities , quality control and the manufacturing environment make a big difference to the safety of the end product.

Wait! wasn't it was Dekang that got the US in trouble to begin with for contaminates in the juice.....When the FDA found diethylene glycol in one sample. Hmmmmmmmmm

seriously, you believe the FDA on that. you believe that the amount they detected in ONE cartridge out of a sample of 13 or so carts ( yeah great study ) from smokingEverywhere was even relevant in the amount detected. Was it dekang ? do they fill SmokingEverywhere's carts , i dunno maybe , maybe not. but the amount detected was negligible at best, we're talking minute quantities.

US mixers may do just that in the US , but the ingredients, the nicotine, the flavouring , the base are all internationally sourced. USA mixed , not USA Made.

Hey Apostle,

Most people don't have enough knowledge and understanding of the facts. Due to the lack of those two components necessary to rationalize, they won't be able to agree with you. That's all, don't worry about it.

Hi Vap,
I'm not looking for concurrence , just shining another light at the subject. Heck people may even learn a thing or two about what they are inhaling everyday, me included.

 

[IVapus]

Hey Apostle,

Most people don't have enough knowledge and understanding of the facts. Due to the lack of those two components necessary to rationalize, they won't be able to agree with you. That's all, don't worry about it.

Agreed. Apostle, you must understand that there's a real love-hate thing in the USA with respect to China and Chinese products and it's as schizophrenic as all hell. Don't even try to make sense of it or deconstruct it logically. It'll make your head explode and you won't get anywhere. You've been warned. Proceed at your own risk.

 

[chuckie]

Do I trust a small american company over a Chinese manufacture?
ABSOLUTELY!

besides I wouldnt be vaping if it wasnt for US liquids...If my only choice was Cigs or nasty Chinese..I'd be smoking still. So it's kinda a mute point.

If it wasn't for the Chinese you wouldn't be vaping period.

 

[mini_art]

Problem is , it Dekang can be as safe as is possible, if it tastes like carp no one will want it no matter how "safe"it is. End of story.

 

[ApOsTle51]

Agreed. Apostle, you must understand that there's a real love-hate thing in the USA with respect to China and Chinese products and it's as schizophrenic as all hell. Don't even try to make sense of it or deconstruct it logically. It'll make your head explode and you won't get anywhere. You've been warned. Proceed at your own risk.

hehe, oh yeah, the whole 'China's gonna surpass the US as the next superpower thing', I gotcha

Problem is , it Dekang can be as safe as is possible, if it tastes like carp no one will want it no matter how "safe"it is. End of story.

true very true, I've tried lots of juice in my time , Chinese, US, UK ( yes , even intellicigs eco pure ) because I do like to try things, but I always return to Dekang stuff. Tastes fine to me and it's an economical liquid.

Flavour is extremely subjective and not a topic that everyone is gonna agree upon.
Funny tho , I've never tasted Carp eliquid..sounds fishy to me

I just picked up on this tho :

I was a smoker...we all are. Really think I care That much about what I'm inhaling? If I did...well I wouldnt have been a smoker. Especially a US smoker, considering our cigs a 3x's worst.

If that is the case , then why is it your not still smoking stinkies, but vaping instead or in addition to. I mean , if you don't care and all.

 

[PVPuff&Stuff]

:
seriously, you believe the FDA on that. you believe that the amount they detected in ONE cartridge out of a sample of 13 or so carts ( yeah great study ) from smokingEverywhere was even relevant in the amount detected. Was it dekang ? do they fill SmokingEverywhere's carts , i dunno maybe , maybe not. but the amount detected was negligible at best, we're talking minute quantities.

They say no in a longer document. Here's part of it.

 

[Lezil]

They say no in a longer document. Here's part of it.

to bad the flavors i tasted were weak

 

[magz]

There's been a lot of counterfeit Dekang going around. It has that heavy perfume flavor to it.

Could be old juice too...it tends to get funky when sitting in the heat/light too long.

Not saying they did it on purpose...maybe they got cheated on their orders. I got offered "Dekang" a few times a little bit ago. It was about a third of the price of my current supplier. I didn't bite, but someone else may have. It comes in the same bottles, same labels...no one would notice just unpacking an order from China and putting it on a shelf.

I'm sure that the girls at Cignot would NEVER knowingly sell a fake product. They are wonderful woman and extraordinarily helpful. I'll have to email them and ask there opinion on what I got. I had no idea that there was fake stuff going around. Never even considered it.

I got a bottle of chocolate and a bottle of vanilla from a local smoke shop around here that was just like the chocolate and vanilla I got from Cignot. The other flavors I got all had that bad taste and choc, van, and capp. all tasted very much the same, BUT the RY4 I got was actually quite tasty. One of my favorite things I've vaped. And that was from Cignot on the same order as the other stuff.

I'll definitely shoot an email to Vicki and ask Glad to know that this is going on, because I'd love to get some more of that RY4

Thanks for bringing this to my attention! I'll have to figure it out and give DK another chance. I don't care where it's made if it tastes good

 

[PVPuff&Stuff]

I'm sure that the girls at Cignot would NEVER knowingly sell a fake product. They are wonderful woman and extraordinarily helpful. I'll have to email them and ask there opinion on what I got. I had no idea that there was fake stuff going around. Never even considered it.

It's China. How could you not consider fakes?

I don't know the girls at Cignot, but I doubt any supplier here would do that intentionally. Just wanted to share the info that's pretty common knowledge among the suppliers paying attention.

 

[Lezil]

It's China. How could you not consider fakes?

I don't know the girls at Cignot, but I doubt any supplier here would do that intentionally. Just wanted to share the info that's pretty common knowledge among the suppliers paying attention.

haha gotta expect that

 

[The Big Chief]

When it comes to e cigs and liquids, there are a lot of ppl being defrauded. Take the 510 for example. MOST companies, US, and abroad say "joye", but half are dekang, or slb made. Most retailers will buy from wholesalers and take their claims for gospel, but get defrauded by wholesalers, as I assume happened to strictlyejuice when they first started. No way to tell really who has the real deal, and who has knock offs, short of placing an order and verifying first hand what product you recieved, short of buying direct from manufacturers that require large minimum orders. Viscous circle isn't it, but its getting better. I've tried dekang that was horrible, and some I like..I personally believe the ok stuff is authentic. I'm convinced my bad experience was simply a knockoff retailer that didnt know they were buying knockoff. I still have nightmares over those bottles.

 

[Zelphie]

Apparently, Johnson Creek's facilities were approved by the FDA, or so I've heard. Too bad I'm not crazy about their juices.

I was thinking the same thing. I would love to love their juices because it appears (as far as we can tell) like a decent operation.......only for one thing, I cant stand their juices