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kristin

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Actually, as far as snus is concerned, the numbers are probably high. Most research did not find an increased cancer risk with snus use compared to non-tobacco use for head (oral), neck or gastro-intestinal cancers. (One source: http://nzhta.chmeds.ac.nz/publications/smokeless_tobacco.pdf) One study found a small increase in pancreatic cancer, but that study has been said to have some flaws.

Most of the info I have found on snus and smokeless tobacco I got from tobaccoharmreduction.org and tobaccoanalysis.com. It's a lot of reading, especially the tobacco Harm Reduction 2010 Yearbook. But the information is there.

Ok, at the risk of overstaying my welcome & since you asked, I found this to add:

I've found several sources (dentist, anti-tobacco sites) that claim there are 30,000-40,000 cases of oral cancer reported in the U.S. per year. Over the course of a 65 year adult life, that's a total of 2,600,000 cases of oral cancer (using the highest number.) Pretending the U.S. population stays the same at 300,000,000, that's 2,600,000 / 300,000,000= 0.008 or .08% of the U.S. population could get oral cancer over the next 65 years.

Anti-tobacco groups claim that tobacco users make up 90% of those with oral cancer (including oral cancers in those who also drank alcohol, so it could have been the alcohol). That would make 2,340,000 smokers/tobacco users who got oral cancer, out of 45 million smokers + approx 10,500,000 smokeless users (claimed 3.5% over the age of 18 use ST) which equals 0.19 or 10.9% chance for ALL tobacco users lumped together.

Since ST users number about 23% of smoker numbers and smokers have 2x the chance of oral cancer, that would mean, at most, a 1.25% chance of oral cancer from smokeless tobacco. And that is using the highest estimates. I've seen other studies claming smokers only make up 50% of oral cancer cases, plus a lot of alcohol-related oral cancer gets lumped in with smokers, as well. And that is not accounting for snus ST users, where there has been no link shown between snus use and oral cancer.

Check out this link, as well: http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq/healtheffectsofst.htm#34

That site is by tobacco control experts who worked to ban indoor smoking, but have come to see the advantages of harm reduction over prohibitionist stances. They have figured it out more scientifically and figure ST users have a 10% - 20% increase in risk from non-ST users. So, if a non-ST user has .008% risk of cancer, 10-20% greater than that is still only a .0096% chance of oral cancer (if my numbers are right.) Even if I'm off, the numbers would still be extremely low.
 
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Hey, good job working on the quitting, it's a hard road no matter what you try. I agree with lots of others - you might want to increase your nic a bit now that you're more used to vaping. I know people who have a particularly hard time with analogs at a certain time of day, like breakfast or after dinner or whatever, and they specifically vape higher nic stuff at those times to get through them. Don't force yourself to take a "one way or the highway" approach. =) I know a couple people who vape very regularly but still have that morning smoke, and heck, going from x packs a day to a single? WIN. Remember to drink lots of water (flushes all the crap out of your system faster) and reward yourself for even small victories. We all understand what you're going through. =)
 

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LOL I've always wanted to try nasal snuff ever since I found my great uncle's ivory snuffbox. Never really seen it sold anywhere, though I wasn't looking.

Heh, yeah, I've seen too many old movies with people taking pinches out of their fancy snuffboxes. Fascinates me. =) I'd probably sneeze too much, though. =)
 

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Heh, yeah, I've seen too many old movies with people taking pinches out of their fancy snuffboxes. Fascinates me. =) I'd probably sneeze too much, though. =)

Yeah, it's right up there with filterless cigs, straight razors and fast cars. Times change, ditched the cigs, still afraid of the sexy straight razor, but they can have my 68 Camaro only after I'm dead.

@ wood: Bro, do whatever works for you to stay off analogs. ANY tobacco product other than cigs is worlds safer, no matter the percentage of risk assigned to it. My .02
 
We all know what it's like. Last summer I started analogs when my mother passed away .. for severl months my boquet of 901's wasn't giving me the satisfaction I required. This Fall I bought a handfull of Riva/T-Rex big boys with 1100 ma batts. In a day got what I needed and walked away from the analogs (again) and 6 months later have NO desire to "stink" again .. don't even miss it. After 46 yrs of 1-2 pks a day it's NOT will power, just a change of behavior and technique to get my fix. The $300 I spent up front for kits, extra batts, a plethera of ejuice the means to the "end" = 1 month of butts in NY state @ $10 a pk. No sacrifice or withdrawal from tobacco. Ahhh. Good luck. Find your method then make you're comittment when you're comfortable.
 
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