i just got back from my doctors office.....(plz read)

[Kate51]

VG and PG have both been exhaustively studied, go to studies done in the 60's regarding exposure to vaporized substances...no study ever found that either one builds up or generates any tissue-reactive side effects or damaging action. Both are bio-degradable, and will expectorate from the lungs. The same ingredients are used all the time in asthma inhalers, and many other FDA approved uses, for heaven's sake a Doctor, Polish or not, should surely know that.
I would say that you should 1.)Find a different Doctor or 2.) insist she does some looking to see if you are suffering from emphysema or other ailment, or 3.) If you have stopped smoking the sounds are normal lung function ex......g stuff from your lungs like they are supposed to be doing. When you smoke cigarettes the cilia (hairs) in your lungs slow down or stop because of tar build up and thickened mucous from lung function degredation. VG or PG will not do what tar does. It is not toxic or caustic. And turn into fat cells???? That is total bunk, only fat cells are fat cells, they're born, not made. Check this:

Danger of Inhaling Propylene Glycol | eHow.com

And this one: Check out the DATES:

TESTS FOR THE CHRONIC TOXICITY OF PROPYLEXE GLYCOL AND TRIETHYLENE GLYCOL ON MONKEYS AND RATS BY VAPOR INHALATION AND ORAL ADMINISTRATION ? JPET

Have your Doc look it up also. Anyone interested can search to clinical studies done on these substances, before being subjected to faulty or un-researched or mis-understood definitions.

 

[BARENETTED]

Kate - Thank You - You are always a wealth of valuable information!

 

[Wolf]

From Wikipedia - Mucus-se......g cells, cells with tiny hairs called cilia or Cilium, and cells from the immune system line the airways and protect the lungs by trapping pollen, bacteria, viruses and dust to prevent them from entering the lungs.

The lungs have mucus lining them to some degree.

I remember that I had what I thought was bronchitis at about the 7-8 month point. The lungs go through a long recover period. I was experiencing my lungs attempting to repair themselves. A co-worker of mine directed me to web site that shows the stages that the lungs go through when you stop smoking tobacco. If I can find it or get it from her, I will post it for everyone's reference.

 

[Skully7780]

From Wikipedia - Mucus-se......g cells, cells with tiny hairs called cilia or Cilium, and cells from the immune system line the airways and protect the lungs by trapping pollen, bacteria, viruses and dust to prevent them from entering the lungs.

The lungs have mucus lining them to some degree.

I remember that I had what I thought was bronchitis at about the 7-8 month point. The lungs go through a long recover period. I was experiencing my lungs attempting to repair themselves. A co-worker of mine directed me to web site that shows the stages that the lungs go through when you stop smoking tobacco. If I can find it or get it from her, I will post it for everyone's reference.

Got it:

In 20 minutes your blood pressure will drop back down to normal.
In 8 hours the carbon monoxide (a toxic gas) levels in your blood stream will drop by half, and oxygen levels will return to normal.
In 48 hours your chance of having a heart attack will have decreased. All nicotine will have left your body. Your sense of taste and smell will return to a normal level.
In 72 hours your bronchial tubes will relax, and your energy levels will increase.
In 2 weeks your circulation will increase, and it will continue to improve for the next 10 weeks.
In three to nine months coughs, wheezing and breathing problems will dissipate as your lung capacity improves by 10%.
In 1 year your risk of having a heart attack will have dropped by half.
In 5 years your risk of having a stroke returns to that of a non-smoker.
In 10 years your risk of lung cancer will have returned to that of a non-smoker.
In 15 years your risk of heart attack will have returned to that of a non-smoker.

 

[Kate51]

Hi Girl!
Oops. I did forget my #1 suggestion: DRINK! A LOT! of water(H20)
A good Spotted Cow once in awhile won't hurt either, right Barnetted?
Seriously, you need to stay well hydrated, from the inside! Your nose, throat, and mouth tissues will crave water, especially since VG and PG are both humectants, or moisture-absorbing, which in effect will make your tissues feel dry. Your lungs especially need moisture to work efficiently, you will want for them to be able to clean out the clutter "stuff" that's in there from cigarettes and just normal dust and pollution. Drink also a lot of high-value antioxidents to help your body tissue cells cleanse. And do as much deep-breathing exercise as you can stand, power walking, anything aerobic.
None of us drink enough water. Guilty. I drink a lot of coffee, which is also dehydrating. Just be aware your body is going to go through a lot of changes after smoking!
Skully, that was good information, thanks!

 

[justsomeguy]

Kate - thanks for those links, great info.

Skully - are the stats in that list the same for any smoker regardless of how much or how long they smoked?

i go get my c-ray at 10 am tomorrow and i will post when i get back thanx again 4 da support

Best of luck, and hang in there.

 

[Skully7780]

Kate - thanks for those links, great info.

Skully - are the stats in that list the same for any smoker regardless of how much or how long they smoked?



Best of luck, and hang in there.

I'm no doctor, im sure those are rough averages, so the answer would be a no for some and yes for others, but I have no idea.

 

[notsoogood]

Just had a lung x-ray today! Vaping since May. Lungs look great!!! Just sayin...

 

[nasti]

If you can see your lungs, I dont think they are in the right place

 

[Kate51]

I just watched a "How Stuff is Made" ~ Breweries!
Found out ~ beer is a GOOD antioxident! (Unless you drink too much.) I KNEW that!

 

[CaptJay]

I'd wonder why your Doc blames your lung issues something you've been doing for a few weeks as opposed to something you did for many YEARS..it makes no sense.
"Hey Doc - I gave up drinking after 35 years and started riding a bike last week - then my liver packed up - do you think the bike might be bad for my liver?"
I mean....come on...

 

[whiskey]

I'd wonder why your Doc blames your lung issues something you've been doing for a few weeks as opposed to something you did for many YEARS..it makes no sense.
"Hey Doc - I gave up drinking after 35 years and started riding a bike last week - then my liver packed up - do you think the bike might be bad for my liver?"
I mean....come on...

Wow Awesome Point!!!!

 

[rtbob]

That's what always gets me in the drug trials for serious drugs(mental illness, cancer etc) what about the half that get nothing???

Yes it would be great to help all the people. The simple fact is the study would be considered useless with out a control group for comparison.

 

[rtbob]

I am starting to think that since this is a "vapor" and not smoke, that isn't moisture getting into are lungs? water? which is fluid so to speak....and isnt fluid in the lungs BAD? end quote.
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EVERY TIME you inhale you breath in water in the form of tiny particles. Your upper airway, including your nose and mouth heat and humidify the air you breath in.

Your lungs must have the gasses we inhale at the proper temp and humidity level to function correctly.

When a patient is on a ventilator and the upper airway is bypassed this job falls on the vent. The ventilator heats and humidifies the inhaled gasses to the point that you can actually see the vapor coming out of the circuit. Any excess is absorbed into your body and most if not all is eliminated.

More than likely one of the inactive ingredients in your MDI's is PG

 

[rtbob]

The best sound I can here when a patient comes into the ER with a full blown asthma attack is wheezing. Some one who is experiencing an attack has very little air movement at all, not enough to make an audible wheeze even when listening with a stethoscope. Wheezing means the medication is working, the airways are opening up and aeration is increasing.

 

[Firegrl]

I agree with what someone mentioned above. I think his doctor was referring to popcorn lung, what people that worked in popcorn factories got.

And doing some reading, it sounds like some think it was the glycerine that did it, and others belive the butter flavor made with diacetyl caused it.

But turning it into fat cells? Makes no sense....

 

[Mickirette]

I haven't had a cig in almost 2 months but if I started wheezing right now I would think it had more to do with the 2 packs a day for over 30 years rather than pg or vg but a good Dr that you trust would be helpful. My Dr said he was proud of me for finally quitting. He would rather I didn't use the e-cigs but told me that was a lot better than cigs. He also gave me a couple of syringes and needles for refilling. Micki

 

[tiempo]

For what it is worth, I tried some new VG liquid the other day (had been using PG exclusively with no problem) and had an allergic reaction on my skin. Later that evening my boyfriend noticed I was wheezing. Stopped using the juice and the wheezing went away. Tried it again about 3 days later, same thing rash, wheezing, tight chest. I do not know if those having problems have changed any aspect of their juices when these symptoms occurred, but it definitely could be a factor.

 

[Trapperjohn]

Just tell your Doc that you are not getting any more tar or cyanide ( just 1 of the bad chemicals in a cig), in your lungs anymore. A lot of doctors have not researched Ecigs properly because 'it's got to be bad for you'. Give me an Ecig over a nicotine patch any day, i've heard people getting bad rashes with those things.
I am confident that i'm not doing any harm to myself now, as i have more energy, sleeping better and breathing better than before.

 

[BARENETTED]

Capt Jay - Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!