I love smoking

[epices]

For me it was not easy. It got a little bit easier, but the desire to smoke still hits me every now and then and it takes different forms, through weeks and days. It is a completely uncharted territory for me to be a non-smoker. It's frustrating, adventurous, interesting and unpredictable. There's been even some victories.

In practical matters, what helped me was to have a regular, all day vape of a lower nicotine level and another one, for those difficult periods of the day. Always at least two strengths. First I had 9 and 12 (or 18?), then 6 and 9, now 4 and 9 (sometimes 12). I have tried 0 and found a tiny bit of throat hit in it (yay!). The point is always to have a backup plan. Mine is to vape like crazy if I have to. It's also a good idea to go into liquid diy and try different compositions (PG-VG) and flavour (or no flavours) yourself.

 

[dvdgroover]

7 cigs a day... I would suggest 12mg. The hardest part of quitting for u, I would guess, is the habit. Once u make a conscious decision to break that habit, and employ it for at least 3 days straight it should be much easier

 

[BCRich2204]

7 cigs a day... I would suggest 12mg. The hardest part of quitting for u, I would guess, is the habit. Once u make a conscious decision to break that habit, and employ it for at least 3 days straight it should be much easier

Not to be argumentative, but...... what if I go with 24mg & hit it 3 times a day instead of 12mg 7 times a day?

 

[DC2]

Not to be argumentative, but...... what if I go with 24mg & hit it 3 times a day instead of 12mg 7 times a day?

Why would you want to do it that way? What's your ultimate goal?

 

[BCRich2204]

Why would you want to do it that way? What's your ultimate goal?

To get off cigarettes.

I don't mean literally 3 times a day, that was just an exaple. If I smoke 7 cigarettes a day, I only want to hit the pipe 7 times a day. My workday is pretty structured & that more than anything helped me get to 7 cigarettes a day.

1. Drive to work
2. Morning Break
3. Lunch
4. Afternoon break
5. Drive hoe
6. After Dinner
7. Night cap

& that's a full flavored 19mg cigarette.

With the patch, I can understand lowering my dosage. If I smoke 7 cigarettes a day, assuming that converts to 7mg of nicotine a day, a patch designed to deliver 21mg per day would be too much (in practice this wasn't the case I craved the act of smoking).

But with eCigs the amount of nicotine I get is dependent on several factors. One of which is the number of times I toke on the pipe. An 8mg or 11mg mixture would, I think, require that I take more hits on the ecig than I do on a cigarette.

Right now, I just want something as close to the cigarette I smoke. I'll experiment with lowering nicotine later. If I'm getting headaches, insomnia, or other side effects, I'll lower the nicotine...

 

[DC2]

So you're trying to get off cigarettes by replicating your cigarette smoking patterns?

What are your real concerns?

 

[Streamlined]

You are not alone, I too am having trouble quitting smoking

 

[wagiman boch]

yeah its very very very difficult for me to at first, but i love vaping now

 

[Completely Average]

Generally speaking you'll get a stronger dose of nicotine per puff from an ecig than you would an analog.

And as a 30 year, pack a day smoker who has been around the block more than once with ecigs, I'll tell you that trying to use them to replicate a cigarette is a mistake. You'll find it far easier to start with a lower dosage and take a couple of more puffs if you need it than to take fewer puffs if you find your mix is too strong. Think of it like salting your food. It's always easy to add more, but if you've got too much it's almost impossible to fix it.


I've also found that most people I know who have successfully switched to vapor only have done so after getting away from the traditional tobacco flavors, or at least don't use them exclusively. But that's all a personal preference, so do what works for you. I would however recommend stopping at a few different local shops and try out any samples they have. Even if you don't like or buy any of them, at least you know what options are out there. And you never know, you might just find one that you like better than tobacco.

 

[DC2]

Generally speaking you'll get a stronger dose of nicotine per puff from an ecig than you would an analog.

Wait, what?

 

[BCRich2204]

So you're trying to get off cigarettes by replicating your cigarette smoking patterns?

What are your real concerns?

None right now. I think I've come a long way since I started this thread (thanks in large part to reading this forum since). I believe my biggest issue was technique... once I was able to inhale the vapor.... this has been great.

Before I registered here, I did read some of the info in the "ECF Library." The Inhalation technique in particular helped me believe my previous venture into eCigs "failed" because I treated the cartridge type cigarette like an analog.

Reading step 5, I figured I'd give it another go.

5. Indeed it is not necessary to inhale, when using an e-cigarette, to obtain nicotine: holding the vapor in the mouth will suffice for some people (especially with high-strength liquid), and expelling some through the nose as well, after a very shallow inhale, will add to the nic delivery. Persons with serious lung diseases caused by smoking, such as emphysema, can take advantage of this - since inhaling anything further, even mist, is absolutely not advised.

The previous steps explained inhaling as an optional step & I had trouble inhaling anyway. I eventually learned to inhale the vapor through my nose, then yesterday I got some eJuice with VG in it. I was able to inhale that right away & I'm definitely metabolizing sufficient nicotine now.

However, I'm thinking I'll have to cut my nicotine strength anyway. I'm hooked on this vaping thing. Even though I don't want to hit it more often than my cigarettes, it's just too easy to vape. I don't have to wait 'til break time to go to the "designated" smoking area. I don't have to leave the house to vape (I usually went to the garage when it's cold, or the patio when it's nice out).... I feel like a ....-head.

 

[DC2]

I might offer the opinion that perhaps you are too scared of nicotine.

 

[BCRich2204]

I might offer the opinion that perhaps you are too scared of nicotine.

I don't want to get hooked to it any more than I am now if that's what you mean.

 

[Jeddy5]

Like you, I don'I'm want to quit. Like some here, I'm finding the transition to vaping to be more difficult than I think it should be. I see that plenty have made the transition relatively easy.

I'm here to find out why I'm having so much trouble. I'm a light smoker. Pall Mall menthol, Less than 7 cigarettes a day. I've tried several eCig variations & nothing comes close to the simple experience of a single cigarette.

The fake cigarette looking jobs don't settle the nerves, like I'm not getting equivalent nicotine regardless how many drags I take.

I just bought a Millennium E-Go. Tried an 11mg kiwi flavor & I couldn't taste anything. Now I'm on a 24mg Apple Sin flavor & while the taste is great I woke up with the worst throat ache I ever experienced. After 1 day.

I had been on the patch for a little more than a month. 24mg & only smoked 1 cigarette a day for the last two weeks.

Lurking here I've come to realize there are many ways to create my own liquid that may solve the throat aches... but it sounds too confusing & I'm afraid ill be experimenting for a long, long time.

I tried the non inhaling method, keeping the smoke out of my lungs but still find myself craving at least one cigarette.

Inhaling gets me closer to the smoking experience I enjoy.


Any of you guys have difficulty making the switch? What was your EurekAlert moment?

Try getting some menthol juice. You'll definitely taste that. It will be similar to your menthol cigarettes.


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[Completely Average]

Wait, what?

Puff per puff an ecig will deliver more nicotine than an analog if the nicotine of the liquid is made to the same dose as an analog cigarette. Generally speaking you'll take fewer puffs off an ecig than you would from an analog in the same amount of time. You may vape all day long, but most people will only take a half dozen to a dozen puffs at any one time where a smoker will take 20-30 drags off his cigarette to get the same level of satisfaction.

Remember, when you puff on an ecig you aren't running it through a filter, diluting it with air after combustion, or having some of it burn off while your idle. The total nicotine may be the same total amount, but you're getting it faster and more pure.

 

[DC2]

I don't want to get hooked to it any more than I am now if that's what you mean.

Yes, that is probably what I mean.

Don't worry about it, because nicotine without the smoke from inhaling burning tobacco is not all that addictive.
Do what you need to do to get off cigarettes, and then worry about the rest.

You'll probably find that it isn't half the worry you thought it was.

I direct you to this post for more information on this subject...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-e-cigs-winning-combination-post11944823.html

 

[DC2]

Puff per puff an ecig will deliver more nicotine than an analog if the nicotine of the liquid is made to the same dose as an analog cigarette. Generally speaking you'll take fewer puffs off an ecig than you would from an analog in the same amount of time. You may vape all day long, but most people will only take a half dozen to a dozen puffs at any one time where a smoker will take 20-30 drags off his cigarette to get the same level of satisfaction.

Remember, when you puff on an ecig you aren't running it through a filter, diluting it with air after combustion, or having some of it burn off while your idle. The total nicotine may be the same total amount, but you're getting it faster and more pure.

There is too much wrong with this assessment for me to reply in detail.
We get far less nicotine from ecigs than we did from cigarettes, and that has pretty much been proven throughout the last few years.

There are lots of studies...
And there are lots of vapers with cotinine testing results...

 

[Ambient]

Vapers are missing much information.

It’s America that’s popularized antismoking insanity – again, and which other countries are following suit. The problem with Americans is that they are clueless to even their own recent history. America has a terrible history with this sort of “health” fanaticism/zealotry/extremism or “clean living” hysteria – including antismoking - that goes back more than a century.

Antismoking is not new. It has a long, sordid, 400+ year history, much of it predating even the semblance of a scientific basis or the more recent concoction of secondhand smoke “danger”. Antismoking crusades typically run on inflammatory propaganda, i.e., lies, in order to get law-makers to institute bans. Statistics and causal attribution galore are conjured. The current antismoking rhetoric has all been heard before. All it produces is irrational fear and hatred, discord, enmity, animosity, social division, oppression, and bigotry. One of the two major antismoking (and anti-alcohol, dietary prescriptions/proscriptions, physical exercise) crusades early last century was in America. [The other crusade was in Nazi Germany and the two crusades were intimately connected by physician-led eugenics]. The USA has been down this twisted, divisive path before. Consider the following: The bulk of claims made about smoking/tobacco were erroneous, baseless, but highly inflammatory. Unfortunately, the propaganda did its destructive job in the short term, producing mass hysteria or a bigotry bandwagon. When supported by the State, zealots seriously mess with people’s minds on a mass scale.
Thank You For Not Smoking | American History Lives at American Heritage
Editorials & Opinion | The Endless War Against Tobacco -- The Lesson In All This Is That Social Engineering Has Its Limits. A Sizable Percentage Of The Population Will Smoke However Stringent The Limitations And However Insistent The Public Condemnat
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2352989/pdf/bmj00571-0040.pdf

Some insight into the connection between American eugenics - California in particular - and German eugenics. Eugenics was popularized in America decades before Nazism. The Germans, including Hitler, were students of American eugenics.
Eugenics and the Nazis -- the California connection - SFGate

 

[Ambient]

The current antismoking crusade, very much in the eugenics tradition, is much like previous crusades. It is a moralizing, social-engineering, eradication/prohibition crusade decided upon in the 1970s by a small, self-installed clique of [medically-aligned] fanatics operating under the auspices of the World Health Organization and sponsored by the American Cancer Society (see the Godber Blueprint Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger ). This little, unelected group, using much the same inflammatory rhetoric of its fanatical predecessors, decided for everyone that tobacco-use should be eradicated from the world – for a “better” (according to them) world. These fanatics were speaking of secondhand smoke “danger” and advocating indoor and OUTDOOR smoking bans years before the first study on SHS: In the 1970s, populations – particularly in relatively free societies – weren’t interested in elitist social-engineering, particularly by a group (medically-aligned) that had a horrible recent track record (eugenics). Given that their antismoking crusade would have otherwise stalled, the zealots conjured secondhand smoke “danger” to advance the social-engineering agenda, i.e., inflammatory propaganda. Until only recently the zealots claimed they weren’t doing social engineering, that they weren’t moralizing. Well, that’s a lie that’s been told many times over the last few decades.

The zealots’ goal this time is not to ban the sale of tobacco but to ban smoking in essentially all the places that people smoke (combined with extortionate taxes); the intent is to turn smoking into an “immoral”, “shameful” act not fit for public view. Up until recently the social-engineering intent has been masqueraded as protecting nonsmokers from secondhand smoke “danger”. But even this fraud can no longer be hidden in that bans are now being instituted for large outdoor areas such as parks, beaches, campuses where there is no demonstrable “health” issue for nonsmokers. The zealots are now very open about the intent to reduce the incidence of smoking through punitive measures with a view to eradication. This dangerous mix of the medically-aligned attempting social engineering is a throwback to a century ago. People don’t seem to understand that the eugenics catastrophe of early last century was physician-led. We seem to have learned nothing of value from very painful lessons of only the recent past.

 

[Ambient]

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http://vapingpoint.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/thats-way-it-should-have-been-in-1999.html
http://vapingpoint.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/the-old-war-becomes-new-for-vapers-what.html