I love vaping but Keep It Simple Stupid doesn't apply to the e cig industry.

[MasterofNone]

vaping is the Linux if smoking. cigalikes are Ubuntu. Ego's are Debian. Mods and rba's are Gentoo. The learning curve is steep.

I don't know what any of that means. Uninformed and new at this, and frustrated by the lack of analogs I would have have said f you and got a pack of anologs. That's why we HAVE a new members forum. Please don't clutter it.



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[Zippoz]

I have to say that I was never "confused" by vaping, because I love to tinker. However, I've had my fair share of product (mostly clearo's) that simply didn't work that well due to poor quality control. I agree that it is hard when you are bombarded with a vast array of choices, but to say this is a bad thing seems silly to me. This might not be the best example, but think of it like buying a car. If you are like me, you want a diversity in choices and prices. Yes, some cars aren't that practical, but many of those are fun. A practical car might be boring, and a fun car might be unreliable. Some are neither fun, nor reliable, and we call these lemons. It can be hard to find a car that suits your purposes, and for the right price, but that is what we have reviews for. The same goes for vaping. Find the equipment that suits your needs by looking at quality reviews. Also, just like cars, you don't have to delve into everything related to its inner workings. Many drivers have no idea what the specs of their car are, nor what they mean. But most know what oil, what fuel, and how to work the pedals. You have to enter the vaping world with the realization that they are little machines, and by definition, machines have imperfections and require a little learning to operate.

All that said, my gf's mother recently got into vaping and has absolutely no interest in fiddling with her device. She constantly has problems, and when she does she goes back to smoking. Part of the reason is that she is getting crappy knockoff hardware, but does not realize this because she is ignorant. At the same time, she can't be bothered with maintenance or research and doesn't understand what causes burnt wicks or poor performance. Actually, I'm not sure if she can taste the burnt flavor haha. I'm not sure if it is because she is intimidated or lazy, but when I try to explain things nothing gets through. The only solution I can think of is a rock solid reliable device. Even my protank burned the standard wicks within a day. User error or bad QC? I'm really not sure. But when this kind of thing happens to a novice, they tend to give up. Is this laziness or frustration? Something needs to happen, but I'm not sure what it is. Not everyone has the patience like me to maintain their devices on a regular basis.

 

[GoodNews!]

The thing is, vaping gear just has horrible quality control. If you could pick up any device and vape it, no doubt it'd be more popular. Once someone vapes a great tasting device, they're hooked. But I've bought every device under the sun and the simple ones just always taste burnt and dry. I'm sure it's just bad luck after bad luck as I've tasted the same devices of other people and they tend to taste great. But the quality control really needs to be amped up. We really need an American company making the technological aspect of simple vaping. We have American e-liquid manufacturers galore. We need American technology.

 

[jwag1973]

My sister gave me an ego-c, T3S and some liquid and said "press five times to turn off/on, fill it here and press the button to vape" Within two days I found this forum and the answers to every question and concern I had. Over the next couple weeks with the help of old ECF posts, I was vaping pretty much trouble free. I'll trade a little regular maintenance for cancer sticks any day! The new toys are simply my reward for good behavior. It's what you make of it. With little effort comes little reward! Good luck.

 

[qvist]

Turning an addiction into a hobby.. pffft!

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[cbrite]

I have been on this forum for 4 months and early on decided on what I would or wouldn't do with regards to vaping. I know I am never going to get into all the re-wicking and building and so forth because I don't find any of that interesting nor would I be capable. I found what works for me and mostly I experiment with different juices and that's that. There are tons of folks just like me right here on this forum. I don't see it as being at all elitist. Sure lots of folks jump right in with the build this or that and re-build your whatevers because that is something they enjoy. No harm in that and anyone who is interested can ask questions and find out more; those who aren't just go hmmmm and move on. This forum and vaping both work for everyone--whether you want to find the easy or more complex way to enjoying. Just my

 

[ncolwell]

I know what you mean, Silent Scream, and I have a good, real-life example.

I started vaping to quit smoking. My husband and I have been in a smoke-quit-smoke-quit cycle for far too long. He had quit smoking cold turkey, while I went to e-cigs (cigalikes) and used those until I decided to get an eGo. He liked my eGo, and decided that he would get one for himself.

All was great for a few weeks until he started having problems. I spend a lot of time here reading about potential issues, so nothing was ever really a surprise to me when he told me there was a problem. I knew how to fix it. Well, the time came for him to get a new coil for his clearomizer, but he didn't really see why that was necessary, and just got frustrated. He told me last week that he wasn't going to vape anymore, and he was tired of "fiddling" with it. I was kind of upset because the last thing I wanted him to do was decide that he'd just buy cigarettes. I made him promise me that he wouldn't smoke, which he did promise.

He's still been vaping on and off. He's not tasting his juice much anymore, and today his clearomizer kept leaking onto his battery. I did get some new coils, and he'll be changing the coil in his clearomizer tonight. I also received an MVP 2.0 in the mail today as my Mother's Day present. He really REALLY likes that. He said, "Watch, I'll get one of those and then there will be something that goes wrong with that too."

I guess my thinking is that he doesn't like to tinker. I'm the most patient person in the world, and a little bit of tinkering doesn't bother me much at all. I kind of like it when something goes wrong and I can make it work again. He just gets mad at the offending object and decides he's not going to use it anymore. As long as I can do the tinkering, and make things "better" for him, I think he'll be OK. He did tell me that today he thought, "This is making me so mad, I just want to buy cigarettes!" He didn't though, which is good.

Your post made me think that there really should be something out there that will keep the non-tinkerers a little bit happier, while allowing the tinkerers to tinker. Haha. If that makes any sense!

 

[crxess]

Not about to try and read all this tonight.

Just one note for the Op. Plenty of people get into vaping without all the complications. Many of those never even heard of ECF or other forums or even searched the net looking for BEST anything.
As a matter of fact, we have members right here that still use the same devices they started with. Many for several years now.

Vaping like life is only as complicated as WE choose to make it.

I'm 60 years old and have had a blast educating myself in the world of Vaping. I also take care of my children's and Grand children's Computers. Neither world is intimidating to me.

 

[Bunnykiller]

Vaping is the Linux if smoking. Cigalikes are Ubuntu. Ego's are Debian. Mods and rba's are Gentoo. The learning curve is steep.

see ... there ya go. computer talk... its intimidating, no idea what Ubuntu is, not a clue what Gentoo does, if I load Gentoo into my rom will it make my fans overspeed and blow up??

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Where there's a will there's a way. Thing is, there's gotta be a whole lot of will if you aren't a tinkerer by nature and you aren't satisfied with the typical starter kits out there. My father is an engineer, so growing up, my sister, brother and I were often on the job with him. Before he got us each a first car, we had to show him we could not only change the tires, but also change the oil, the brake pads, jump the battery, replace the battery, and trouble shoot simple, common engine issues. it didn't matter whether you were a boy or a girl. My sister and I were required to know all that my brother was required to. I enjoyed it growing up, and I didn't really think much of it until I started vaping and trying to convert others.

This doesn't come easy for a lot of people I know. Ohms, watts, volts, amps etc.... As much as it seems to be common knowledge around this board, this is NOT common knowledge among the general population. Most of the people I've converted need help, and I've become their vape tech support. My husband would absolutely not be vaping if I did not maintain his stuff and if he could not reach me for issues throughout the day. My half sister is the same way. We share a mother, but not a father. She grew up in a completely different environment, and both her and my other half sister (doesn't smoke or vape) couldn't tell you what where the battery in a car is. She vapes what I send her to, and she calls and texts for help. I send her picture tutorials. I still need to show her when I visit. She'll still never remember it. The only convert I've made who doesn't need help is my full brother, who grew up taking apart his toys just like I did.

There's also the type who are comfortable around electrical equipment, techie things, but enjoyed smoking for the mindless simplicity of lighting up and inhaling, that mindlessness is part of what relaxes them, and when you get into vaping set ups you need to troubleshoot, it isn't as mindless anymore.

 

[hazarada]

It's really not that hard. A modicum of effort is all that's really needed. And a desire. If understanding an e-cig is taxing, maybe vaping isn't for you.

Its natural selection, stupid people die of lung cancer

 

[dfuz85]

I think it comes down to the products being easily accessible. I for one at first wasn't interested in purchasing something over the internet that I didn't get to try out first. It wasn't until a B&M opened nearby that I had the chance to try it out first hand and see how simple and effective an ego starter kit could be.

 

[GreenHead]

Well we are almost all victims, myself included, of our lust for cheap crap. I'm sure a wonderful, efficient, simple vaping device would have already been invented by the Japanese/Americans/Europeans if it weren't for the dinks over there in Commie Land waiting to reverse engineer it badly, but also instantly, and selling it for a 1/3 of the price, eventually grabbing up to 90% of the market share. What's the point of putting hard work into thought and research if someone else is just going to reap benefits?

 

[Fliehigh]

I did remind myself that at some point, way back in my dinosaur prehistory, I had to learn to smoke. We all did. We tried different brands (usually OP's) and taught ourselves to french inhale and to blow smoke rings. We developed a way of smoking - inhalation methods, ash tapping, how we held our cigs, everything about it - that gave us the most effective delivery and comfort. It isn't all conscious because the body is a willing participant in perfecting the addiction, but it was a process and it did take time. If I could learn to do that - learn a process that wasn't all that pleasant right off the bat - then I can learn to do this, which IS pleasant.

This is axactly what I was thinking when I started reading this thread. If more people realized they had to learn to smoke and learn to like it they may be more inclined to try vaping.

 

[Weizenheimer]

My MOD is better than yours

 

[HoneyGram57]

The fact is the b@m will help you !! New vapers most likely have friend that can help them !!!I have been vaping for a year and a half .. And yes I'm one of those elite snobs your talking about !!! Vaping is not for every one !! Having a mech and a rba is not easy !!! But a ego and a clearo is not hard !! ps to op And thanks for kinda judge the elite vapors !! Let me one up you !!

A B&M should help you! However I live in a small town with two B&M's and neither know squat, their in it to make a profit! I've been vaping for four months, quit smoking the day I picked up the E-go kit. I paid way to much for it because I didn't know better but it worked so it was worth any price. I've been reading forums & anything else pertaining to vaping for three months. I've learned a lot but comparatively I know enough to know I don't know enough! Still reading!

 

[DeloresRose]

I knew nothing about vaping when I started. Some people were arrogant turds, who were more interested in making me look like an idiot than in passing on knowledge. My momma always said (and she's always right!) that people who really know what they're talking about aren't afraid to tell you what they know. I was lucky... I found those people, and I'm learning.

I know it must be frustrating to some of you - so many newbies, so little time! - but the more patience you experienced folks have, the more educated vapers there will be. Choice is yours. You can create a world of smart e-cig users, or form tight little circles and keep those with less experience out.

 

[Kbennett65]

OP is right about there being a ton of options out there, but is that a bad thing? What works for me may not work for you. I enjoyed reading and learning and pretty quickly "upgrading" my equipment. My co-worker is perfectly happy with her ego twist and aspire nautilus tanks and has no interest in more advanced devices, and that is great..as long as it works for her, why would I try to convince her that her ego is somehow inferior?
I can honestly say I haven't run into an elitist attitude here at all from experienced Vapers, about everyone with more knowledge than myself ( and that's a lot of people ) has been very patient, even when answering the same question that was probably asked in a dozen different threads just in the last week! More than a few here have even kindly clarified when I had to ask " what did that mean anyway" without making me feel dumb about it. Moral is....there definitely is a learning curve and if you are interested enough in learning to seek out a forum for answers you can't come to a better place than here.