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i have several single battery mods, but my only 2 battery mod, a clouper t8, doesn't have TC.
I tried tc on my other mods and found it to be a dissatisfying pain in the ..... Reading some recent threads it sounds like part of the problem is I didn't have a mod that could actually do DL TC well.
I am not willing to lug around a 3 battery monster, so the question is will a dual battery mod improve TC to a usable point for someone vaping .5ohm coils at 25w or less in kanthal? And if so what should I be looking at? Do I need to give up hand building and go drop in coil?
 
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I'm no pro but i've never seen a mod that does temp control with kanthal..... Most of em do stainless,titanium or nickel, though i did have a SS coil in my tank and used it with a single 18650 mod (aspire nx75) which worked very well imo. The coil was a .5 dtl and i think i used about 55 watts on it at like 450-500F.
 

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I'm no pro but i've never seen a mod that does temp control with kanthal..... Most of em do stainless,titanium or nickel, though i did have a SS coil in my tank and used it with a single 18650 mod (aspire nx75) which worked very well imo. The coil was a .5 dtl and i think i used about 55 watts on it at like 450-500F.
Oh Nono no
I was giving an example of what I vape now to provide reference of what I consider decent for me. I'm assuming SS wire as the other TC wires kinda creep me out safety wise
 

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Oh Nono no
I was giving an example of what I vape now to provide reference of what I consider decent for me. I'm assuming SS wire as the other TC wires kinda creep me out safety wise
Depending on what you want more (clouds vs flavor) that's how you choose what type of wire.
For example i'm more about flavor, and i've heard that clapton is what i should aim for, which depending on which type of clapton (at least that's what i understand) they're made mostly of nickel and SS wire and while i doubt it's good for temp control (frankly i don't really care for that anyway) but wire is not a safety factor unless you use a mech mod or aim for 600F. All i can tell is that depending on what type of wire you might need to go higher wattage. The SS coil i had before was 100x better at like 55 watts compared to the 31 i'm using on what i assume is kanthal atm, so i also assume SS wire has very good flavor imo so for round builds i'd probably go with that too :p
 

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Depending on what you want more (clouds vs flavor) that's how you choose what type of wire.
For example i'm more about flavor, and i've heard that clapton is what i should aim for, which depending on which type of clapton (at least that's what i understand) they're made mostly of nickel and SS wire and while i doubt it's good for temp control (frankly i don't really care for that anyway) but wire is not a safety factor unless you use a mech mod or aim for 600F. All i can tell is that depending on what type of wire you might need to go higher wattage. The SS coil i had before was 100x better at like 55 watts compared to the 31 i'm using on what i assume is kanthal atm, so i also assume SS wire has very good flavor imo so for round builds i'd probably go with that too :p
My understanding is that TC started with Ti, and they discovered it produced noxious stuff so they went to Ni which a third of the world is alergic to and can't be dry burned, so they went to SS which while not entirely problem free is at least not dangerous. Are you saying that both Ti and Ni are actually safe?
 
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My understanding is that TC started with Ti, and they discovered it produced noxious stuff so they went to Ni which a third of the world is alergic to and can't be dry burned, so they went to SS which while not entirely problem free is at least not dangerous. Are you saying that both Ti and Ni are actually safe?
Like i said i've never really used tc exept for that one time lol so my knowledge is basic (specially about different material as i've only had 1 coil made of SS) Though if what you said is true i find it quite interesting, explains specially why i haven't heard or seen many titanium builds around XD
 

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I have never tried it and wouldn't but there are a few mods that do Kanthal TC like this one.

Limited Edition Hohm Tech Hohm Slice 101W TC 26650 Box Mod
As I understand it kanthal can't do TC accurately because the whole point of it is it doesn't change electrical characteristics much as it heats. It's not that I necessarily want to to kanthal TC anyway. I had problems with hand build TC coils on single battery mods and gave up. I'm wondering if the problem is that I need a two battery mod to do it right, or if not, that I need to ditch the hand build and go drop in coil, or maybe both
 

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As I understand it kanthal can't do TC accurately because the whole point of it is it doesn't change electrical characteristics much as it heats. It's not that I necessarily want to to kanthal TC anyway. I had problems with hand build TC coils on single battery mods and gave up. I'm wondering if the problem is that I need a two battery mod to do it right, or if not, that I need to ditch the hand build and go drop in coil, or maybe both
Well like i said i used a drop in coil in tc mode with a single 18650 battery mod, had 0 issues (besides a little sad thing being the ramp up time but that's from using a single batt mod) Vaping is completely subjective,what satisfies me may not be good for you. If you feel a single batt mod wasen't good enough get a dual one ? Worst case it won't change anything but you'll have more battery life lolz.
 

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Well like i said i used a drop in coil in tc mode with a single 18650 battery mod, had 0 issues (besides a little sad thing being the ramp up time but that's from using a single batt mod) Vaping is completely subjective,what satisfies me may not be good for you. If you feel a single batt mod wasen't good enough get a dual one ? Worst case it won't change anything but you'll have more battery life lolz.
If i go that route the problem is i know nearly zero about drop in coil systems.
 
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SS wire isn't hard to wrap. Get 24g to start with. You'll probably need single coil if you're dead set on .5 coil. DNA chip if you don't mind the price. Smoant, Ant chip, device if don't want to spend much.
Oh I've wrapped SS. It's kinda stiff, but that's the only issue, and not a big one. They never really worked well for me in TC though. Lots of possible reasons why. One of them is my mods weren't up to the job, hence my question about a two battery mod
 

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Oh Nono no
I was giving an example of what I vape now to provide reference of what I consider decent for me. I'm assuming SS wire as the other TC wires kinda creep me out safety wise

Lol... I was all set to say well there's the problem! Hahaha
 

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TC isn't really the size of the mod, but how well the mod does with regulating TC. There are some options besides DNA chip mods (though that would be your most accurate) though as far as I can tell, my Steampunk does fairly well with TC. I haven't checked its accuracy, but with SS it seems to perform okay... Can't speak to many of my other mods, but if you want true accuracy, you really might want to go with a DNA chip mod.

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My experience with TC is it can be fickle, especially how you wrap your coils. Contact coils like basic micro-coils (wire touches at each wrap) this can throw TC readings off as TC coils are inherently hotter and ramp up in heat quicker due to each wrap helps heat the adjacent wraps. TC coils work best when spaced with gaps between each wrap, this widens out the surface area, and each wrap is reliant upon generating its own heat, making the TC even along the whole wire, increasing TC accuracy. FYI, Evolv with the advent of the original DNA40 chipsets, and what started the TC movement, it was originally designed for Nickel Ni200, Titanium Ti1 came into effect later as vapers began experimenting given Ni200's low melting point, Ti1 for the most part only becomes dangerous if you dry burn it and cause titanium-dioxide to be formed, both wires should never be dry burned, most cases dry wicking still has some liquid in it unless you burn it dry and charcoal it, Ni200 should not melt nor Ti1 should not create titanium-dioxide with a previously wet wicking, the TC should ramp down due to the drying out wicking.

The most accurate control boards for TC, JMHO, are Evolv (DNA), Yihi (SX), Smoant's, and Hohmtech's, most others are cheap slap together and have very minimal TC control (example Kanger, set into TC mode the PCB sets watts to max and only allows you to set the TC cap, you have to adjust both the watts (with Yihi it is Joules when in TC mode) and the TC cap to fine tune the vape.

Single battery vs multi-battery for TC, unless you are needing super high watts, 55watts or higher when not in TC mode, then a dual battery mod comes into play, but on a dual coil, properly wrapped TC spaced coil, with maybe 26awg wire thickest for SS or Ti1, 28 to 30awg thickest for Ni200 (due to it has negligible resistance to begin with), 50watts should suffice for a proper TC setup, and it is a PITA to experiment what settings work the best for you as not only do you deal with the watts but the TC cap as well, took me about a week to get my TC setups down pat for my personal tastes.

TC, in most regards will seem anemic to standard wattage only mode, thus reason why most say TC is carppy and don't like it, myself it is a cooler relaxing no worries about dry hits or generating poisonous by-products type of vape.

I'd look at maybe purchase of a DNA75 (most times this will be a single battery device), I have 2, both HCigar Vt75's that use a 26650 though does have an adapter for using 18650's, and suggest at least a 25amp 18650 if you go the 18650 route, but the DNA75 is just as accurate as the DNA166/200's in my experience thus far.
 

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I have a Pico dual that I'm experimenting with in TC mode and SS factory stock this week. I also have a Smoant Battlestar in the VapeMail pipeline. I didn't buy either for their TC capabilities, but since both allegedly do it well, I figgered that I might as well take the plunge.
 

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For TC to work right you basically just need to balance the power and temperature of the coils you are using. Yes you can adjust TCR but using TC Mode does not have to be as complicated as some make it out to be. I use my old RX200S for TC mode with multiple Sub Ohm Tanks all the time and get a smooth cool consistent vapor. It only requires raising the temp occasionally when I chain vape and get the tank really warm. Just my opinion but you can use TC by keeping it simple. YMMV
 

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also have a Smoant Battlestar in the VapeMail pipeline. I didn't buy either for their TC capabilities, but since both allegedly do it well, I figgered that I might as well take the plunge.
I only TC with SS, the Battlestar does it pretty good with 316L without customization other than adjusting the wattage to suit your coil.. I don't have the pico dual :/

As for TC in general, I only really use it when I know I'm going to be drinking alcohol fairly heavily to prevent drunken dry hits, what I have been using more than TC lately is the power curve feature on the revenger mod (CCW) which when set up correctly can run similar to TC but for kanthal.. I have it start up at 70w for a .25 build then slowly have the power come down over a couple seconds leveling off at 40w, it helps conserve battery life, reduces the chances of dry hits significantly and helps control the temperature at which the vapor hits my mouth.
 
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